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8 NOV 2004 at 2:28am

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8 NOV 2004 at 2:30am

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Hook was not as bad as The Lost World. It wasn't great, sure, but it was nowhere as bad

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8 NOV 2004 at 2:39am

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When was the last time you watched 1941? Or Always? or Hook? or even The Terminal for that matter.


I haven't seen any of those except Hook, which is perfectly decent, mostly due to Dustin Hoffman.

I can't imagine them being worse than The Lost World though.  It was UNBELIEVABLY painful to watch, probably the closest I've ever come to walking out of a movie.

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8 NOV 2004 at 2:41am

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I agree - they both suck big time, but if they were the last two pieces of celluloid left on earth I'd rather watch Velociraptors running around and T-Rex eating small dogs than Robin Williams pretending to be a ten year old boy and crowing like a tit.
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8 NOV 2004 at 5:13am

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I'd rather watch Velociraptors running around and T-Rex eating small dogs


How about little girls making the raptors look like a complete joke by kicking one of them in the head?

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8 NOV 2004 at 9:43am
Deleted UserNo matter how bad the rest of the movie, TLW still had some fine Spielberg moments completely lacking in the mess that was Minority Report.

Scenes include -

The hunting scene.

The bit where Stellan Skarsgard gets eaten by those little poisonous things.

Velociraptors in the long grass.

T-Rex going ape.

Hook I don't mind. It's not good, but Dustin Hoffman does a great panto job on it - and that's how I view the movie. Pure pantomime. In that respect it isn't so bad. The recent Peter Pan movie trounced it though - utterly.

Minority Report, as I've said before, is such a blatant mess of poorly connected ideas it beats all of his previous misfires hands-down. At least the end of TLW had a T-Rex going crazy and eating dogs. If Tom Cruise had ate a dog at the end of MR (or should that  be ME?  
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8 NOV 2004 at 10:33am

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i had the great misfortune of renting "Avenging Angelo" this past weekend

it certainly is the worst movie i've ever seen.  i couldn't even bring myself to watch past the first third of it, however, so "seen" is a relative term in this case  


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8 NOV 2004 at 10:37am

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Navaros,there are worse.The secret is they are meant to be good.Do you want to hear more?......

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8 NOV 2004 at 5:37pm

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Originally Posted By dombrewer (8 NOV 2004 1:34am)

Calling films like 2001, Chariots of Fire, Minority Report, Titanic, The English Patient et al "the worst" is very closed minded, especially seeing all of the above are films loved by a large number of people.


     Agreed, but several of those films were mentioned in the context of naming the worst film ever to win a best picture Oscar.  


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8 NOV 2004 at 8:23pm

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Originally Posted By dombrewer (8 NOV 2004 1:34am)
Titanic. Amazing how one of the most successful films of all time is now so roundly despised, just because it did such phenomenal business (and won a shed of oscars...like that means anything). I don't think a great deal of it now, but sitting in that cinema watching that huge ship sinking with my heart in my mouth was totally brilliant film-making.

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Well said, Jack.  I mean dombrewer.   :


For those that don't like it are you basing it on the Leo/Kate relationshiop and letting that dictate your distaste of the movie?  Because it's OK to like the movie and not be thrilled with Kate & Leo's acting or even the whole "Heart of the Ocean" subplot.  
 I always fast-forward through the first 20 minutes - get me to 1912!

Although I haven't seen it, (I know that's bad to judge it based on this), I don't like Chariots of Fire b/c it led to spoofing on other TV shows of slow-motion video while someone is running around with the theme on in the background.  I always groaned whenever that happened on TV or in a movie.  

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8 NOV 2004 at 9:27pm

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I confess CofF was important to me,But it was very English.I also don`t think `the English Patient ` was understood.So there.

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9 NOV 2004 at 4:41pm

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I love the English Patient. Great book, great film. Ralph Fiennes and Juliette Binoche are wonderful in it, and Willem Dafoe gives a great supporting role too. It's just not a straightforward love story - it's messy and painful like real life love stories often are.
Great score by Gabriel Yared too!
Did you guys know that the burned skin make up that Fiennes wears for a good proportion of the film actually has maps of the desert grafted into it?

SJH: I think you forgot the best scene in Lost World - the glass roof of the jeep cracking under the weight of Julianne Moore. That's a classic Spielbergian moment.

Using the same rationale though you can easily defend Minority Report  - The chase through the car manufacturing plant, the eyeball scanning spiders trying to find Cruise in the run down apartment block, the iconic video screen sections in the hunt for pre-crime evidence (now lamely being copied in British advertising), the use of personalised advertising.

There's loads of great stuff in the film, only weakened by the fact it was a couple of pegs short of being a outright success. For me it was ruined by a weak ending and plot twist that thudded onto the floor it was so poorly handled.

Juji: Not that eager to defend this film but velociraptor's get kicked in the head in Jurassic Park too.

Batman and Robin is still worse than all of these films. So is Armageddon. So is Independence Day for that matter.
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10 NOV 2004 at 6:13am

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Juji: Not that eager to defend this film but velociraptor's get kicked in the head in Jurassic Park too.


I don't remember this.  What scene?

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10 NOV 2004 at 9:55am
Deleted UserLex does it near the end in the computer room after they climb into the ceiling. (I like Jurassic Park  
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And quit defending Minority Report. Those scenes were hardly classic... the whole film was a mess of ideas and no cohesion! At least Jurassic Park had a strong, if basic, structure to it and some greater Spielbergian moments than MR - the fence climbing, the Brontosaur scene, the introduction, being hunted by the Velociraptors... etc. etc. MR tried to give the appearence of being clever when all it was was some ideas stapled together and offered more questions than answers (not that that's a bad thing when done well).

The spider robot scene pales in comparasion to the T-Rex intro. That's the best they could do? Ack. I expected more from Spielberg.

10 NOV 2004 at 5:53pm

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I liked those scenes in MR  

It's a good thing that everyone doesn't have the same taste.

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10 NOV 2004 at 6:36pm

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Originally Posted By SquarejawHero (10 NOV 2004 9:54am)
Lex does it near the end in the computer room after they climb into the ceiling. (I like Jurassic Park  
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And quit defending Minority Report. Those scenes were hardly classic... the whole film was a mess of ideas and no cohesion! At least Jurassic Park had a strong, if basic, structure to it and some greater Spielbergian moments than MR - the fence climbing, the Brontosaur scene, the introduction, being hunted by the Velociraptors... etc. etc. MR tried to give the appearence of being clever when all it was was some ideas stapled together and offered more questions than answers (not that that's a bad thing when done well).

The spider robot scene pales in comparasion to the T-Rex intro. That's the best they could do? Ack. I expected more from Spielberg.


Hang on a minute - now you're talking about Jurassic Park, not Lost World. The first one is totally brilliant, there's no argument about that - we were comparing MR to JP:LW .
And I liked the funky eye scanning spiders and fight in the car factory. So there.  
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10 NOV 2004 at 6:52pm
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10 NOV 2004 at 11:19pm

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I've had a thought about some of my least favourite films, mostly mainstream -

Dreamcatcher
Prince of Darkness
Miracle Mile
The Ugly
The Keep
The Matrix sequels
Terminator 3
The Avengers
End of Days
Batman and Robin
The Flintstones
U-571
Reign of Fire
The Hulk
Exorcist 2
Robocop 3
Jaws 4
Independence Day
Armageddon

The best way to tell what you actively dislike - something you have no wish to see again before you die. Some of these I'd rather die than watch again come to think of it.

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11 NOV 2004 at 4:51am

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Lex does it near the end in the computer room after they climb into the ceiling.


Totally different.  The little girl in TLW goes into a freaking gymnastics routine and kicks the raptor in the head when swinging around a pole.  Lex kicks the raptor in a desperate scramble to escape, and in a much more realistic manner, to boot.

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11 NOV 2004 at 9:27am
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11 NOV 2004 at 12:05pm

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Originally Posted By dombrewer (10 NOV 2004 11:19pm)

Prince of Darkness
The Ugly
The Keep

No way, that's impossible! I beg you to reconsider!

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11 NOV 2004 at 3:36pm

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I thought long and hard about some of the trashier horror films I have owned over the years - two of these went straight on the path to ebay retirement - simply because I couldn't be bothered to watch them again. Dreadful films like Anaconda and Jeepers Creepers survive just because if they are on TV I'll probably watch them again. Only The Keep was more of a... keeper, because it is so lamentably bad there is amusement to be had. Allow me to expand on that using previously written material for IMDB... (I wouldn't do this usually, only it's easier than writing down the same thing again)

"Keep well away."

SPOILERS

I read the book when I was quite young (mainly because the cover had a particularly evil looking vampire on it) and I managed to see the film a few years later but it has been well over ten years since then. Only tonight I revisited the film again with some excitement and high expectations. What a huge let down.

Michael Mann is probably one of my favourite directors - I consider 'Heat' and 'Manhunter' to be two of the best thrillers going, and 'The Insider', 'Thief', 'Last of the Mohicans' and 'Ali' are all well made, beautifully shot films too. What on earth went wrong on this one? Mann really has no excuse for the unstructured mess we are presented with seeing he was directing his own screenplay, based on strong source material, with high calibre actors and a decent sized budget. $6 Million is not as low budget as you'd think in 1983, let's not forget one James Cameron managed to make an enduring classic for the same amount a year later with effects that still stand up today. The quality of picture and sound is lamentable - the latter so muddy it is often impossible to hear the dialogue properly, which turns out to be something of a blessing. Only the cinematography raises the bar, and is the sole reason this film is remembered (and even revered amongst the terminally cult) and even that is actually only so-so.

The acting is acceptable considering the appalling script they had to work with. Irish Gabriel Byrne plays a Nazi Major with an English accent, Robert Prosky plays a Romanian priest with an American accent, Alberta Watson plays a Romanian Jewess with a Canadian accent, and poor Ian McKellen plays a Romanian Jewish Doctor with an American accent (almost certainly because Watson couldn't do a Romanian accent or a British accent and McKellen had to convincingly play her father). Only Jurgen Prochnow manages to act a role with his own accent, and it's no accident that only he comes across as having any personality at all. It's quite fun to notice Wolf Kahler with a single line of dialogue as one of the ill-fated SS squadron (more famous for having his face melted at the end of 'Raiders of the Lost Ark', and for saying "Excellente" in the long running Ferrero Rocher ad). Alberta Watson and Scott Glenn are both truly awful as the 'meet-one-minute-inexplicably-have-gratuitous-sex-the-next' mis-matched couple. You get the feeling Watson was only cast because she was prepared to strip naked and Glenn because he needed to look moody and implacable. Which he does. Actually, that's all he does.

The whole film is so poorly paced and executed it feels like the action takes place over the hour and a half you're watching the film. In this instance an extra 30 minutes would have improved the film 110%. The first deaths happen within ten minutes of the film starting and everything is rushed as fast as possible to the conclusion from that point - and what a conclusion. It's a dry ice and laser effect extravaganza with no tension, no drama, in fact no conflict at all. The Talisman that green blooded, contact-lensed Glenn slots onto his staff is pretty clearly a flashlight with a cross stuck on it. The villain himself, when not rushing about as a blue special effect dismembering stormtroopers, appears as a comically rubbery red-eyed bodybuilder. The vampire with God-like powers of the source material would have far more interesting.

The Tangerine Dream score is unmemorable and even more intrusive than usual, and that's saying something. Here it is inappropriate, and often extremely annoying. All tension and pace are completely thrown out of the window by the incessant synth wailing away in the foreground. The funniest (and stupidest) point of the score is the final cue which somehow turns into "Walking in the Air" from the animated kid's short "The Snowman". No, honestly - check the soundtrack listings, they actually credit Howard Blake. The only explanation for this would be a potential lawsuit after T.D. pinched the theme. There's no way Michael Mann could have wanted the end of his mystical romantic fantasy Nazi horror effort to finish with a piece of music associated with young boys singing about Christmas intentionally. When I recognised the theme I laughed out loud at the sheer preposterousness of the link.

There is much to mock in this effort and little to praise, and although it does have a uniqueness due to a few decent actors, large scope, and annoying 80s synth score, it really isn't worth your time. Seeing Mann chose to remake his shoddy TV movie 'L.A. Takedown' as 'Heat', perhaps he might be tempted to do this film again properly, until then, Keep well clear of this shameful mistake. A generous 5 out of 10.


And you don't seriously rate The Ugly, do you?  :

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11 NOV 2004 at 3:51pm
Deleted UserPrince of Darkness is a great film! It veers between being utter crud and genius, but the genius outweighs most of it. Its too bizarre for words!

11 NOV 2004 at 8:00pm
Deleted UserYou are talking about John Carpenter's Prince of darkness, right? Cause it's his best movie, period. Completely original, bizarre and with an incredibly frantic last 15 minutes. Surely in my top 30 horror movies.

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I've managed to selectively remove much of the memory of the film from my mind, so I can't really comment at length (*phew*, I hear you exhale..), other than large slimy glowing building, a mirror to hell, Alice Cooper dressed up as a bum and an utterly non-sensical screenplay. Frantic last fifteen minutes. Do you mean confused and rushed?  


Crud or genius. Crud or genius.

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