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| 12 OCT 2004 at 7:52pm |
| Deleted User | I changed (on the flash game) mouse speed from normal to high & low ... no difference.
"etail Setting" ... not something in Windows is it ?
I'm guessing that it's one of the 'game option' settings.
Is this so ??
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| 12 OCT 2004 at 7:53pm |
| Deleted User | I was unable to complete level 4. I never played Level 5, nor would I have had to, since I had already "taken care of" my robot opponent.
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| 12 OCT 2004 at 7:54pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By LenG (12 OCT 2004 7:52pm)
I changed (on the flash game) mouse speed from normal to high & low ... no difference.
"etail Setting" ... not something in Windows is it ?
I'm guessing that it's one of the 'game option' settings.
Is this so ??
Yes. The Quandaryland critic basically was saying that he was able to (barely) complete the sequence by setting the game's graphic quality at its worst setting.
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| 13 OCT 2004 at 2:30am |
AndromusGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Well, I've definitely made up my mind now -- I really, really hate the shooting gallery sequence. 15 tries tonight, my best scores being a 27 and 28 on level 4. So close, yet so far! This kind of stress is not why I play adventures.
I notice at level four the game seems to spread targets out more, delaying you just that much more with each target. Plus there's a slight hesitation between knocking down a target and the next one popping up. Not to mention the ocassional good target and bad target popping up at the same time with the correct target getting screened the whole way across the screen. Bah. >
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| 13 OCT 2004 at 2:32am |
| Deleted User | I also encountered many instances where I would shoot and miss, then shoot a second time without moving my mouse an iota and the second shot would hit. >
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| 13 OCT 2004 at 2:41am |
AndromusGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By BacardiJim (13 OCT 2004 2:31am)
I also encountered many instances where I would shoot and miss, then shoot a second time without moving my mouse an iota and the second shot would hit. >
OK, then I wasn't imagining that. Sometimes it looked like I was getting a hit when I was slightly off target but partially covering the target with the reticule-thingy, but the next time it didn't work. Double Bah!!
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| 13 OCT 2004 at 1:19pm |
| Deleted User | ~~ Andromus ~~
VERY IMPORTANT for me (at least) to know .............
Extract ... Gordon Aplin ... Quandaryland .....
I had major problems here and at one stage I was convinced it was impossible to get through all the levels. The first two were easy but more than that was beyond me as the cursor was difficult to control with any speed and accuracy. After many failures I was about to give up when I had a rare brainwave. In the settings I lowered the 'detail' bar all the way down then tried again. Voila! Accuracy returned to the mouse and I got through all the levels after six or seven attempts. So if you too have wayward cursor problems try this remedy.
*** DID YOU TRY GORDON'S "REMEDY" ??
***** DID IT WORK FOR YOU ??
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| 13 OCT 2004 at 1:51pm |
| Deleted User | Just to note, it sounds like Gordon's PC wasn't up to the task of rendering the graphics (if we're talking about the Westerner, not the flash game here) which WILL result in 3D slowdown and mouse lag - at the worst your framerate will suffer. If you find your details are set on "high" in any game whose maximum specs include extra geometry/shaders/effects which your graphics card, memory and CPU cannot handle your game WILL SLOW DOWN.
...and The Westerner does have some complicated rigging routines for animation!
This is a problem with all 3D games unless you have configured them correctly to suit your PC's natural speed. All 3D games try to run at an identical speed (there is a maximum FPS on all of them, but the FPS makes no difference to the speed of the game itself nor reaction time), but if your PC can't keep up then it is only to be expected.
edit - if this is the case, then Gordon's remedy should work for you. If you KNOW you have a slow PC, you should try the game on lower settings just to see if there's a marked improvement. There's also the case of the optimisation of the 3D engine which Westerner uses and how hard that is on the various components of the PC... something I couldn't comment on but might be worth looking into.
However, in Wanted's case it does sound more like a coding error. Did anyone hear back from Revistronic or try to contact them directly?
edit 2 - there's also the case where you should defrag your hard drive and ctrl-alt-del any programs running in memory which could be taking process time away from your game. What with all these new 3D games coming out, I might write up a thread about keeping your PC trim and in shape in case people get problems that aren't necessarily the games fault.
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| 13 OCT 2004 at 3:39pm |
RecklessJourneyman
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Status : Online | A fairly bland review written by someone who wanted to throw toys out the pram 'cause something was too diificult I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT RECOMMEND THAT YOU PURCHASE THIS GAME!
Why would anyone read any further. You can be negative on something without showing yourself out to be blinded by your own definition of a game.
I'd only read the review as it was linked via the JA+ newsletter... otherwise I wouldn't have know who was James.... or why I should have take my hat off to him. Having read the review and some stuff here, I don't think I'll bother. Whilst I don't agree or even disagree on some points, the ability to critique whilst still being level headed doesn't seem to be a skill you hold just yet.
Perhaps an A is too high - nothing stood out that made the game an A but to give it a C 'just because' you had trouble didn't seem appropriate either.
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| 13 OCT 2004 at 3:40pm |
RecklessJourneyman
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Status : Online | And yes the 1st line of my post attempts to mirror the presentation style of the review - for a reason. 99% of people would suddenly stop reading the rest of the post or conversely start slagging me off... food for thought...
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| 13 OCT 2004 at 3:47pm |
AnneGuild Master
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Status : Online | Come on Reckless.Just tickle their tummies.You hve as much to say.
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| 13 OCT 2004 at 4:08pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Reckless (13 OCT 2004 3:40pm)
And yes the 1st line of my post attempts to mirror the presentation style of the review - for a reason. 99% of people would suddenly stop reading the rest of the post or conversely start slagging me off... food for thought...
Just as you have "slagged off" reading the entire thread here? Hmmm...
A fairly bland review written by someone who wanted to throw toys out the pram 'cause something was too diificult (sic) This tells me you couldn't have read this thread.
BJ was NOT the only one who was unable to complete this sequence, notably Randy was unable as well. Given the combined years experience of their adv skills seems more than your years on this Earth, you would be wise not to pursue this line of reasoning. Also, had you bothered to actually read this thread, you would have seen that the consensus was that there had been a coding error when the sequence was changed from the European edition to the American.
And since a reviewer's job is to alert his readers to such issues, most feel that BJ has done his job: hence the name of the thread! If you read the review past the warning, BJ gave 3 caveats: 1) If you or some member of your family is exceptionally talented at shooter games.
2) If The Adventure Company or Revistronic comes out with a patch or cheat which allows you to skip the action/shooting sequences. Or at least makes them possible for the typical adventure gamer to complete.
3) If you truly don’t mind paying for a game that you can only play 2/3 of the way through and then uninstalling it because it is impossible to finish.
FGM
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| 13 OCT 2004 at 4:15pm |
RecklessJourneyman
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Status : Online | Fell into the trap yourself then.... I did read the whole review (how else would I know that he was torn between an A and C?). OK, I could've skipped the lot and read the last para....
The point is that starting the review like that is a waste of his potential. It didn't build up any hope of being a good game. The score at the end was fit for a good game (not great but OK). I had read about Randy's inability to cross the same section in a previous thread. I've quite a few games (not just adentures) where I get stuck and get pissed off. Perhaps I'm rubbish at games, who knows!
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| 13 OCT 2004 at 4:17pm |
| Deleted User | Perhaps you read the review, but you haven't read this entire thread.
FGM
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| 13 OCT 2004 at 5:36pm |
| Deleted User | Reckless: Apparently you got so angry at the one sentence in the first paragraph that you completely ignored the first sentence of the paragraph:
For those of you who only glance at the beginning of a review and then quickly skip to the bottom to see the final grade, I want to start with this caveat so there is no misinterpreting the final score: I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT RECOMMEND THAT YOU PURCHASE THIS GAME!
See, from my tenure spent on the forum actually listening to what people have to say, I learned that there are a whole lot of people who do exactly that: read only the very beginning and very end of a review. They do this to avoid spoilers.
Your criticism seems to be that my review would somehow encourage people to do this. You have the cause and effect reversed. I wrote the review the way I did because I know that there are already many people who do this and I wanted to make sure that they knew my dissatisfaction with the game rather than just seeing the final grade and misinterpreting it.
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| 13 OCT 2004 at 6:03pm |
| Deleted User | I really don't get your drift ... Reckless !
I don't want to be a bore but here is an extract from the very first post on this subject ...........
I’m very much your “typical adventure gamer”. I’m not a twitch finger young genius, nor a hopeless reflex action dummy! I’m somewhere half way in between. I managed (sometimes with difficulty) the shooting sequences in Freddy Pharkas and the more difficult arcade sequence in “Feeble Files” (I think it was). I’ve NEVER been stumped by the usual REASONABLE fast action episodes … e.g. those that occur in the Tex Murphy or Gabriel Knight series.
But this is going WAY too far. I can’t understand how a sensible Company can make such a catastrophic misjudgment !!
I very strongly feel that the review is more than justified in warning people not to spend their good money on a virtual Mission Impossible
I hope that The Adventure Company &/or Revistronic pay VERY SERIOUS attention to his # 2) waiver above … and alleviate the problem before it’s too late !
VERY GOOD WORK JS/BJ
I think that any decent honest Reviewer is OBLIGATED to strictly warn readers not to buy a game which is FATALLY FLAWED unless & until that flaw is corrected !
Nobody should be expected to fork out US$30 (+ anything between US$5 to US$12 depending on the country they are living in & the bulk of the package ... plus sometimes Customs &/or VAT) for a game which only a very tiny %age of Adventurers can finish.
P.S.
So as not to get off track again … The subject is ONLY the USA commercial version of “Wanted …..” . Nothing to do with the flash-exercise or the European (I THINK Spanish) version WHICH ARE APPARENTLY SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT, and nothing to do with the Review in question !!
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| 13 OCT 2004 at 6:08pm |
| Deleted User | Wow, I kept on topic and everyone ignored me. Tell me if I've helped anyone... I kinda feel I wasted my time...
edit - at least you guys never tried Painkiller. You can't even install that on certain DVD/CD RW's and there's no patch nor warning from Dreamcatcher on the box at purchase... bugs I can handle as they're fixable through a patch. My only issue is Revistronic's silence on this issue... again - did anyone contact them?
There's no point banging on about it unless people know for SURE that they're not going to fix it.
edit2 - I've done it now. Guess we'll have to wait and see!
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| 13 OCT 2004 at 6:13pm |
| Deleted User | Monkeymummy: I played the game on a 2.4 Ghz Pentium IV computer with a GeForce 4 card and all background programs turned off. (I always turn off bg programs when gaming.)
There is no reason on Earth why I should have to (or why it would ever occur to me to) also turn the graphic detail down to its minimum setting to complete the sequence.
Yet this seems to be the case.
Or are you saying that this computer qualifies as "slow?"
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| 13 OCT 2004 at 6:29pm |
| Deleted User | Put it down to a poorly coded engine coupled with a bug. You did a good job pointing out, but there's no point harping on about it here (that goes to everyone) - has any of you contacted the publisher or developer about this to see if a patch is being issued, or at least it it's being looked at?
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| 13 OCT 2004 at 6:33pm |
| Deleted User | Ummmm..... it was a reference to your current avatar, dude. Chill out.
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| 13 OCT 2004 at 6:57pm |
| Deleted User | Oops. My bad. Sorry 'bout that... edited...
...put it down to personal stress outside of forums. You're right, I need to chill... :-/
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| 13 OCT 2004 at 7:04pm |
| Deleted User | No problem. I know I sometimes fly off the handle and see insults where none were intended too. Happens to the best of us.
Best cure: take a 2-3 day break from the forum. on't even look at it for a few days. Wonderfully relaxing.
Oh... and get laid.
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| 13 OCT 2004 at 7:13pm |
| Deleted User | Great advice if my girlfriend wasn't abroad!
Hey, now I AM depressed AND stressed...
THANKS! [smiley=hair_pull.gif]
j/k
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| 13 OCT 2004 at 7:15pm |
SyrillIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Offline | I'm curious to know if anyone found the "insult sarsparilla fighting" as amusing as "insult swordfighting." The humor in the dialogue in the rest of the game apparently fell flat for BJ, but I've seen other people post that they enjoyed it. Is "insult sarsparilla" dreadful for virtually everyone or only for those who don't enjoy the dialogue in the rest of the game either? It can't possibly be worse than that "Monkey Kombat" in MI4, can it?
And who would we write about getting a patch made? TAC wouldn't know anything because they're just the publisher. And even if I had an email for Revistronic, I don't know Spanish.
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