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| 12 OCT 2004 at 11:45am | |
| Deleted User | Whoa, hold up... hold up... You're getting angry over a flash game? It's probably nothing like the actual game in any way! It's not even worth debating! I agree I've read enough to see it might be a problem, but there are other gamers I trust, like Agustin, who says it isn't... let's calm down a bit first. Besides, can't be as bad as the racing scene in Mafia. |
| 12 OCT 2004 at 12:34pm | |
| Deleted User | You're getting angry over a flash game? It's probably nothing like the actual game in any way! It's not even worth debating! (A) JS/BJ is hardly a beginner. (B) I read (more than once) that Randy Sluganski couldn't shoot his way through it. And he's about as far ABOVE an average computer gameplayer as I can imagine ! (C) I don't know who Augustin is. (D) I assume that the game "Mafia" is an action game and not a Quest/Adventure ... I wouldn't know ... nor do I see the comparison or even connection! (E) I started the demo of "Wanted", and it seems to me perfectly obvious that it is aimed (almost exclusively) at PC Quest/Adventurers, most of whom both HATE & ARE PRETTY HOPELESS at "fast-action" sequences. Taking all the above together, I can see absolutely no logic whatsoever in your so called 'arguments'. |
| 12 OCT 2004 at 12:59pm | |
EvaGuild Master  Posts : 3247 Joined: 5 NOV 2002 Status : Offline | It seems the flash game's difficulty differs with the depending on how fast your computer is...the faster it is, the more bad guys will pop up and the easier it will get... |
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| 12 OCT 2004 at 1:16pm | |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Eva (12 OCT 2004 12:59pm) Now isn't that a wonderful premise! Only those with state of the art PC's need apply! Bah! FGM |
| 12 OCT 2004 at 1:24pm | |
| Deleted User | Hey, no need to go on the attack like that Len. Perhaps you should calm down a bit. a) I've never said he was a beginner, although his views aren't the only ones I've read. b) I've read many views on Wanted, and they're all different. So I don't know who to believe, although I assume it is a problem. c) Agustin is a trusted reviewer here at JA+, did the first review of Wanted, and is the developer of Scratches and a top forum poster. You evidently don't post enough unless it's in the P+R forum. d) It does actually tie in, being quite easy to start with despite it mainly being a storyled action/adventure game. Then the third section introduces a stupid racing sequence so tough you have to cheat your way through it (I barged the opposition of the track on my impteenth try - I got lucky). You don't have to do anything else like it in the game. e) I never disagreed. I just commented about the vehemence of your post directed at a flash game which doesn't use the engine Wanted does and only ties in by using the same name and concept. You played this section? Nope. Why so angry? You bought it? You got stuck there? Uh... no... you haven't experienced said section and wrote a post about a piece of marketing which has nothing to do with anything. I know people that got past it, some others didn't... so before you formulate your own views and irate diatribes against me and said game perhaps you should experience it yourself. @FGM - just goes to show that you can't base comments on a flash game which isn't optimised for anything. It's not developed that way to make it better for top-of-the-range PC's, it's just a game developed on Flash which is poorly made. |
| 12 OCT 2004 at 1:51pm | |
| Deleted User | ~~ SJH ~~ Some people just flabbergast me with their non sequiturs and personal jibes & digs rather than facts ! **** There are SEVERAL in your last post. I just haven't got the time, energy OR INTEREST in refuting ANY of them ! The subject is NOT to do with the flash game at all. ~~~ LEN ~~ ...There is a link for those who want to practice the shooting gallery ...................... Of course I HAVEN'T played the game itself ... but JS/BJ's (and I assume Randy's) criticisms were based SOLELY ON THE GAME ITSELF (and nothing whatsoever to do with the flash extract ... whether faster, slower, newer computers, whatever!). |
| 12 OCT 2004 at 2:01pm | |
Agustín CordesGuild Master Posts : 5696 Joined: 23 OCT 2002 Location: AR, Buenos Aires Status : Offline | SJH brings good points but I should clarify the following: I played the European version and didn't find the shooting sequences "impossible" - I don't even recall reading any complains from Spanish reviewers about it. However, I can't comment on the American version which might be more difficult. Even so, it's definitely no reason to not buy this game IMO because, aside from those action sequences, put simply is one of the most solid adventures released in the past year. I bet there will be a patch or a cheat addressing this if there are so many complains. I definitely have played through worse arcade sequences in 'classic' adventures so, I insist, that's no reason to dismiss this game. Slightly Deranged - Cult Cinema And Games! |
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| 12 OCT 2004 at 2:10pm | |
| Deleted User | I bet there will be a patch or a cheat addressing this if there are so many complains. But this is just what BJ said! on't buy it unless there is a patch, or you are very good at arcade sequences! We've now come full circle. FGM |
| 12 OCT 2004 at 2:33pm | |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By LenG (12 OCT 2004 1:51pm) Perhaps you ought to reread your response to my post? I can see absolutely no logic whatsoever in your so called 'arguments'. ...or your first post? There is a link for those who want to practice the shooting gallery ...................... What bearing does this flash game have with a game you haven't played yet urge people not to buy? I very strongly feel that the review is more than justified in warning people not to spend their good money on a virtual Mission Impossible Stop trying to debunk what you yourself have said. In your FIRST post you based your judgement on a game you haven't played on a flash game which has nothing to do with anything. Regardless whether or not these sequences make the game difficult/impossible is nothing to do with it. I called you on your own errors, if you're unhappy about that look to yourself, not me. My advice? Stop trying to waste your time and effort by replying, as you can only dig yourself a deeper hole. And if you really don't have any time, then why bother posting in the first place. It's an excuse not to engage into debate I've read from you far too often. |
| 12 OCT 2004 at 2:43pm | |
| Deleted User | The ONLY subject covered in the Review was the shooters in the USA commercial version ... and not the European &/or flash versions ... which may be easier or more difficult ... and hence are misleading. If JS/BJ (and Randy ?) are instrumental in getting the people concerned to issue a good patch and ASAP, they will have done a VERY GOOD job both for the firms, and also for all players ! Anything wrong with that ? That's ALL I was saying ............................. .............. Why bring up personal phrases like "getting angry" (twice), "irate diatribes" "going on the attack" ........... and what has my knowledge of the names of all the writers for JA+ &/or your "P+R" Forum crack, got ANYTHING to do with this subject ? |
| 12 OCT 2004 at 2:53pm | |
| Deleted User | Well, Agustin does a pretty good job too, IMHO, and you didn't even check his review... and what reason does Revistronic have to change the code for those games overseas anyhow? Conspiracy theories? Nope, they wouldn't have touched it. ...and anyone with half a brain can see the original attack through your vitriolic response to my post. All I did was point out the fact that the flash game has nothing to do with anything but is the catalyst for your thread! But to warn people off a game that has had various responses with regards to the difficulty of a sequence you know nothing about? You have to question the logic of that. And besides... I never said I disagreed with anything. |
| 12 OCT 2004 at 2:57pm | |
| Deleted User | ~~ SjH ~~ What the heck are you going on about ?? I merely supported a contention of James Saighman in his review of the game. Don't you like this ? Is this some sort of faux pas on my part ?? Why not confront JS, & if neccessary clarify with Randy if the statement (I possibly incorrectly attributed to him ??) was correct and justified. WHY PICK A TOTALLY PERSONAL FIGHT WITH ME ON THE SUBJECT ?? |
| 12 OCT 2004 at 3:31pm | |
| Deleted User | Just for the purposes of setting the record straight, the shooting gallery in the game is similar but not identical to the one in the flash game. In the actual game, you only get one target at a time, as opposed to getting multiple targets at once in the flash game. This is the rub. In the full game, you can hit every target and still not actually have 30 of them appear before time is up unless you are exceptionally fast at hitting them. |
| 12 OCT 2004 at 3:43pm | |
Agustín CordesGuild MasterPosts : 5696 Joined: 23 OCT 2002 Location: AR, Buenos Aires Status : Offline | Originally Posted By BacardiJim (12 OCT 2004 3:31pm) Is that so? Then this has most certainly changed, and I'd venture it's a bug. In the European version I got as much as 4 targets at once. Actually, it was far more easier than the Flash game, which I've just tried. I'll contact Revistronic about this. Slightly Deranged - Cult Cinema And Games! |
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| 12 OCT 2004 at 3:54pm | |
| Deleted User | The only time you ever got more than a single "bad guy" at a time to shoot is if you failed to hit one for a long time. A second one will pop up a couple of seconds before the first one disappears. And thank you, Len. |
| 12 OCT 2004 at 4:04pm | |
| Deleted User | Please could you clarify .......................... (1) In the flash game (which is the only one I've experienced) you have to kill 30+ in the 1st round, 35+ in the 2nd round, 40+ in the 3rd round etc. The speed of appearance of bandits increasing substantially each round. I (an 'average' player IMHO) easily pass the 1st round and generally the 2nd round. I have found it VERY HARD to reach 40 ... and have only achieved this once or twice, and then only in the 2 slower rounds. As mentioned ... if you get less in ANY round, or hit a 'civilian', you are forced to start again right from the beginning. I can see myself (if I was FORCED to, and after a lot of attempts maybe) getting onto round 4 but assuming the speed is even greater, I can't possibly imagine FINISHING round 4 (with 45+ points). DO YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE TO FINISH ROUND 4 ONLY (already a Mission Impossible for me I think) OR DO YOU HAVE TO FINISH ALSO ROUND 5 (absolutely out of the question for me I imagine !). (2) As has been pointed out (several times) the flash episode is only for practice ! In the REAL USA GAME,do you have to overcome only ONE round (single targets all the time) or more than one ... and if so how many. (3) From your experience, would you say that the real USA game is harder, easier, or about the same level of manipulative difficulty, as the flash game. If the USA game is NOT considerably easier (or made to be avoidable) I will not buy it ... and I'm sure this applies to MANY others. Right or wrong, this was probably the most vital point in your Review ... and all the above blather is and has been totally irrelevant. |
| 12 OCT 2004 at 4:07pm | |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By LenG (12 OCT 2004 2:57pm) I'm not the one picking fights here! 1) You started a thread which incorrectly assumed the flash game played as the full title. 2) When you write posts like this - (A) JS/BJ is hardly a beginner. .. which craps on my somewhat miniscule first post, then of course I'm going to be annoyed. Apparently I'm not proposing logical arguments - well perhaps it's because I'm responding to one? That Agustin says the bug-free version is even easier than the flash game says alot - you reacted BASED on said game and INCORRECTLY assumed, without the facts, that Revistronic had placed a hopelessly difficult sequence relying on hair-trigger reflexes which ruined the game. That the problem is the complete opposite is almost ironic - that it's evidently a bug, and not intentional, is even more so. You also assume that the game Mafia had nothing to do with the problem, when instead of asking me rationally why I would bring it up, you say - (D) I assume that the game "Mafia" is an action game and not a Quest/Adventure ... I wouldn't know ... nor do I see the comparison or even connection! Man, I could go ON... your thread SIMPLY wasn't a thanks to BJ thread, but a misplaced diatribe about a game and a sequence which you know nothing about and a reply to my post where you did nothing but take jabs at me. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. I think that's appropriate. edit - Right or wrong, this was probably the most vital point in your Review ... and all the above blather is and has been totally irrelevant. Well, many thanks for taking me seriiously. I hate it when people try to rise up above their own mistakes and make the other person look irrelevant. If you can't see the failings in your own posts, then who am I to argue any further. Please, continue, I'll just sit here and enjoy the show... |
| 12 OCT 2004 at 4:13pm | |
| Deleted User | In the actual game, you must get 15 targets in Round One, 20 in Round Two, 25 in Round Three, 30 in Round Four and (I believe, though I can't say for certain since I could never succeed at Round Four) 40 in Round Five, where you are shooting against a robot. The fact that the number of required targets hit is scaled back from the flash game (and, apparently, the European version) leads me to believe that only getting one target to shoot at a time is very likely not a bug, but is a recoding of the sequence for the USA version. This, however, is merely an educated guess and not to be taken as a statement of fact. |
| 12 OCT 2004 at 4:20pm | |
AyaGrand Inquisitor  Posts : 7277 Joined: 16 OCT 2002 Status : Offline | i just played the flash game... i managed to go up to level 4, where i got 43 and lost... i don't know if it's easier or harder in the game, but what i certainly don't know is what the hell possesses developers to put that kind of crap in adventure games ??? i mean, the flash thingy was fun and everything, but i do not want to be confronted with something like that while i am enjoying my adventure game thank you very much... if you have to put it there, at least make it either skippable or optional... do it as a side game, like sam & max did... i did play the car racing game in sam & max, but i knew i could do it any time i wanted to for fun, and i could go back to my adventuring any time i wanted to as well... i was not forced to stay there until i finished it....... now if the game is worth buying or not because of that, i can't say... there are lots of adventures that feature stupid action sequences and still were pretty good (see early sierra) :-/ You have gotten the attention of the mysterious lady. She turns to face you. Her face is devoid of any flesh. You are frozen with horror as she begins ripping your body into a bloody mess. |
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| 12 OCT 2004 at 4:28pm | |
| Deleted User | If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. I think that's appropriate. Absolutely. I'm taking your advice SJH. You're right and absolutely logical. YOU WIN !! 'Bye now !! |
| 12 OCT 2004 at 4:35pm | |
Agustín CordesGuild MasterPosts : 5696 Joined: 23 OCT 2002 Location: AR, Buenos Aires Status : Offline | As for LenG's questions - I noticed substantial differences between Flash and in-game sequence. When you kill a civilian, you don't have to start over again. Also, the targets appear faster. Plus, if you manage to hit 2 or more targets fast enough, they will appear even more faster (this doesn't happen in the Flash game). You only have to win Round 4 in the game. Round 5 doesn't have to played (this is a puzzle and an obvious one, if I may say so). As for the Flash game itself, I managed to shoot 40 targets during the first round and reach Round 3 without problems - then I got tired Even so, I'd say the in-game sequence was easier. You only have to sweat during Round 4 but I wouldn't say it's "impossible". Slightly Deranged - Cult Cinema And Games! |
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| 12 OCT 2004 at 4:40pm | |
| Deleted User | I was unsure about how Round Five worked (yes, I did the right thing to deal with the robot before I started playing). This is because I spent over forty attempts at the game without being able to pass Round Four. Likewise, Randy was unable to pass it. I'd say that qualifies as "impossible for the typical adventure gamer." |
| 12 OCT 2004 at 4:45pm | |
Agustín CordesGuild MasterPosts : 5696 Joined: 23 OCT 2002 Location: AR, Buenos Aires Status : Offline | Why do I always have to be the anormal one? [smiley=zombie.gif] Just out of curiosity, how old are you? Around 40, right? Slightly Deranged - Cult Cinema And Games! |
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| 12 OCT 2004 at 4:47pm | |
| Deleted User | 43 Why? |
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