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| 2 JUL 2004 at 6:44am |
Lucien21Guild Master
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Status : Offline | 2001 is a classic movie. The books are even better.
It's meant to be slow. It's a realistic portrayal of space travel. Not like zipping through space in an X-wing.
You have to remember that this film was made at the height of the USSR/USA space race and released a year before man walked on the moon.
It's a very visual story with the first 30/40 mins there is no dialouge.
It's a film about evolution, a film about discovering extra terrestrial intellegence (years before the likes of ET and Star Wars). A film with probably the first Psycotic AI in H.A.L. who has a monotone voice as he's a computer.
It's a very poetic fim that usually split views into people who find it boring and people who love it.
I love it.
Dave, stop. Stop, will you? Stop, Dave. Will you stop, Dave? Stop, Dave. I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm aaaaaaaaaaaaaa-fraaaaiiiiiiiiiddddddd.
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| 2 JUL 2004 at 6:58am |
AnneGuild Master
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Status : Online | And we all fell for the soundtrack.`Thus Spake Zarathrusta`.
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| 2 JUL 2004 at 2:00pm |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Status : Offline | 2001 - it was boring crap back then and it's still boring now. Ivinia - forget it. Get off the sofa and go to bed, get a decent night's sleep.
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| 2 JUL 2004 at 3:45pm |
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Status : Offline | Five attempts is enough. Try a true classic movie by Kubrick: Paths of Glory.
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| 2 JUL 2004 at 4:27pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Ivinia (2 JUL 2004 4:03am)
This is supposed to be a classic Sci-fi movie. A movie I have never seen. I finally went ahead and picked it up and I am having one heck of a time watching it. I literally keep falling asleep! I've gone through 5 attempts to watch it so far.
I'm not surprised - I don't think the movie is nearly as good as some people seem to think. A.C. Clarke's book is much better than the movie, and unlike watching the movie, when reading the book you actually understand what's going on. If you haven't, you should definitely read the book.
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| 2 JUL 2004 at 8:36pm |
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Status : Online | The thing that impressed me about the movie was that it was done in 1968? and the visual effects were outstanding for it's time. It's really the first great outer space movie of it's time. You have to at least give it credit for THAT!
And ... because it is a slow moving movie it give you time to enjoy it for that. It's rather a peaceful movie ... not full of big booms, screeches, explosions, etc. which I really hate in movies of today. I don't even go to the movies anymore for that reason. If I don't have a remote in my hand to mute the sounds of today's movies, I don't watch them.
As a matter of fact you just inspired me to put in on my Netflix queue. A nice glass of wine and 2001: A Space Odyssey. Nice quiet evening.
In my opinion, this is the best film ever made - not the most entertaining mind you and there are quiet spots, but mind you films unlike some other media can tell a story with pictures, alone. Kubrick sought to make a film about man's place in the universe. The film begins with an overture which is of course the music that precedes an opera - the opera here being the universe and the music and odd blend of voices representing the Alpha and Omega himself. The film depicts two important steps in human evolution which are marked or timed by planet alignment. Note that during the opening title and whenever the monolith first appears. There is of course the Greek allegory about the cyclops (one eyed HAL)killing off everbody one at a time in the cave with Prometheus (Dave Bowman, here). The climax occurs at Jupiter, which is Roman for Zeus, i.e. God. Notice again the planet alignment when Bowman (Hercules reference) begins to evolve. The monolith goes through the line of planets to make a crucifix (I know Kubrick was born Jewish) and note the alignment is a true phenomenon expected this year (2001) as also mentioned in Mike Leigh's Naked. Once again at the end, the SELECTED human/s have been chosen to evolve and Bowman transcends time and space to be symbolically reborn and near Earth - after submitting to the monolith (god?). See the hand gesture. I think I'm right about this. And the f/x by the way are superior to Star Wars and the like which looks cheesy now, while 01 looks amazing still.
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| 2 JUL 2004 at 10:56pm |
IviniaGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Avaka - I think those very same messages could have gotten across without the lengthy scenes. I timed one sequence where someone had to go out and repair a satelite dish. Over 5 minutes long of just hearing someone breath deeply. Just like Darth Vader.
If you can sit there and not fall asleep listening to someone breath heavily for over 5 minutes, my hat is off to you.
(Why did that last sentence just sound like something that would have come out of Caroline's mouth?
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| 3 JUL 2004 at 12:39am |
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I wish I could fall asleep listening to someone breathe heavily for 5 minutes. Usually I roll him over to stop the noise. ...... :
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| 3 JUL 2004 at 12:48am |
Jeroen StoutSchattenjger
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Any argument for this will be countered tenfold, so I'll leave the arguments.
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| 3 JUL 2004 at 12:52am |
dombrewerGuild Master
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Status : Offline | I felt much the same way first time I caught it on TV when I was probably a teenager. The apes messing about - learning how to beat each other to death - I understood that it was an important point in the film (first use of tools signifying intelligence of the future human race blah blah) but it was a pretty dull way of getting to the purpose.
Many years later (***zippppp**) I saw that it was being shown at a cinema in London on a 70mm print and figured I'd test the theory that it's the only way to really experience the film.
And they were right!
Now, I still believe that most of the beginning and most of the end is a bit ponderous, and I've never made great efforts to decipher the overall meaning (never read the books, so slightly adrift there) but I think the hour or so of the film that is taken up with the Jupiter mission is absolute classic film-making. Seriously. I adore it. HAL is an essential movie villain and that whole section is mesmerising, - it's beautifully shot and directed, the script is spot on, the acting is pretty good too. If nothing else - that for me is what makes 2001 a keeper. And yes, take into account when it was made! It's years ahead of its time.
*edit* as for the five minutes of deep breathing - the idea (magnified in the cinema) is of the claustrophobia of being inside that suit, only able to hear your own breathing and nothing else, coupled with the terrifying emptiness of space all around you. That scene is also a crucial build up to HAL's breakdown. Apply a litte empathy and put yourself into the astonauts space boots and that five minutes of breathing is a lot more gripping. Frankly, I'd cack myself if I had to walk in space.
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| 3 JUL 2004 at 1:08am |
Jeroen StoutSchattenjger
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And...
"What are you doing Dave... Dave... I'm scared Dave..." as he dismatles the computers core
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| 3 JUL 2004 at 1:23am |
dombrewerGuild Master
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Dave: Hello, HAL do you read me, HAL?
HAL: Affirmative, Dave, I read you.
Dave: Open the pod bay doors, HAL.
HAL: I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
Dave: What's the problem?
HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
Dave: What are you talking about, HAL?
HAL: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
Dave: I don't know what you're talking about, HAL.
HAL: I know you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.
Dave: Where the hell'd you get that idea, HAL?
HAL: Dave, although you took thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you, I could see your lips move.
Dave: All right, HAL; I'll go in through the emergency airlock.
HAL: Without your space helmet, Dave, you're going to find that rather difficult.
Dave: HAL, I won't argue with you anymore! Open the doors!
HAL: Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.
Brrr! Argue with that AI at your peril.
And the ultimate in calm resolve (tinted with utter insanity)
HAL: Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.
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| 3 JUL 2004 at 1:53am |
anthonyJourneyman
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Status : Offline | Hmmm, maybe I ought to give this film yet another try. :
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| 3 JUL 2004 at 2:52am |
Jeroen StoutSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Marvelous and the singing 'taught to him by his maker' as he is disconnected ... so 'cute', and utterly scary at the same time.
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| 3 JUL 2004 at 2:58am |
AvakaJourneyman
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Ivinia (2 JUL 2004 10:56pm)
Avaka - I think those very same messages could have gotten across without the lengthy scenes. I timed one sequence where someone had to go out and repair a satelite dish. Over 5 minutes long of just hearing someone breath deeply. Just like Darth Vader.
If you can sit there and not fall asleep listening to someone breath heavily for over 5 minutes, my hat is off to you.
(Why did that last sentence just sound like something that would have come out of Caroline's mouth?
You have to remember that things move slow in space and that's another thing that the movie want to convey. Everything takes a lot longer in outerspace. The movie is quiet genious! And it was done is 1968 - that's the beauty of it. You have to repsect that.
I've rented some silent films to watch to see how they were done to convey their stories. Or you look at Flesh Gordon .... see how films were made back then. It's just fun to see how cinemaphotography has developed throught the decades.
Myst IV - Never finished it. Got frustrated with it.&&Myst V - Did not finish it either. Very disappointing.&&ATTWN - BORING!!! Never finished it. Kept falling asleep.&&Paradise - So far .... not so good&&Voyage - Not on my favorite list
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| 3 JUL 2004 at 4:11am |
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Status : Online | For its time it was a real achievement cinematography wise. I've always liked the movie though it was never a contender for top 20 ranking. It's like a zen musical. The soundtrack was superb, the lighting and camera movement excellent.
Quite frankly, anything by Kubrick is worth multiple viewings. His films are really dense, packed with lots of little treats for the persistent viewer. It might not be your cup of tea, but crap it is not. Ghosts of Mars, now that is crap. Space Odyssey is a great film in so many ways. Genius, eh, I dunno, but a great film, yeah.
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| 3 JUL 2004 at 3:31pm |
| Deleted User | As far as I'm concerned, the movie really only has two flaws. The trip through the stargate monolith was, in fact, overly lengthy. And the ending sequence in the alien hotel suite is pretty difficult to understand-- at least compared to the book. However, if one has read the book or has been told that the point is that Dave Bowman is "kept" by the monoliths' creators in the room for the rest of his natural life (rather than making these odd "leaps" through advancing age as Kubrick seemed to be portraying) then you can stop puzzling over the sequence and just enjoy it for its beauty.
These are minor quibbles, though. I saw the movie at the drive-in theater on my 8th birthday-- the day before Armstrong and Aldrin landed on the Sea of Tranquility. I think that synchronicity has partially shaped who I am. I loved Star Wars, but I have to agree that 2001 remains a film of thoughtful genius.
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| 3 JUL 2004 at 3:37pm |
IviniaGuild Master
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I'll bite the bullet and give it a go again. This time I'll try and pay more attention to the symbolism. I STILL think it is a slow and drawn out movie, but I wasn't there to experience it in it's time. Too much Star Wars and Aliens-type movies that shaped my views of what a space-based sci-fi movie is about.
Ok, I have another movie that I'd be interested in getting your opinions on, but I'll start another thread.
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| 3 JUL 2004 at 8:38pm |
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Status : Online | The thing you have to remember is that it isn't a sci-fi film. It's a Kubrick film. It's in the same sock-drawer as Apocalypse Now. The evil, evil thing
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| 3 JUL 2004 at 9:24pm |
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Status : Online | As with all Kubrick films, they get better and better by the years.
When I was 8 yrs old when I first saw 2001: A Space Odyssey, I thought it was the most boring piece of crap ever made. Though my fav. movie at the time was BINGO about a circus dog which runs away from home.
I recently saw BINGO in the tv guide where it got a
"0-star" rating. In fact BINGO is supposed to be one of the worst films ever made, but nothing can persuade me of that, because I will always have fond nostalgic memories of that film.
Right now, I'm in a phase where I think Kubrick is GOD, and A Clockwork Orange and 2001 are the two best films EVER made. And they get better every time I see them again.
Originally Posted By Ivinia (3 JUL 2004 3:36pm)
I'll bite the bullet and give it a go again. This time I'll try and pay more attention to the symbolism. I STILL think it is a slow and drawn out movie, but I wasn't there to experience it in it's time. Too much Star Wars and Aliens-type movies that shaped my views of what a space-based sci-fi movie is about.
Don't force yourself into liking 2001: A Space Odyssey. It won't work. Just wait 5 years, and try to see it on the big screen (70mm print) then..
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| 3 JUL 2004 at 9:41pm |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By BacardiJim (3 JUL 2004 3:30pm)
As far as I'm concerned, the movie really only has two flaws. The trip through the stargate monolith was, in fact, overly lengthy. And the ending sequence in the alien hotel suite is pretty difficult to understand-- at least compared to the book. However, if one has read the book or has been told that the point is that Dave Bowman is "kept" by the monoliths' creators in the room for the rest of his natural life (rather than making these odd "leaps" through advancing age as Kubrick seemed to be portraying) then you can stop puzzling over the sequence and just enjoy it for its beauty.
These are minor quibbles, though. I saw the movie at the drive-in theater on my 8th birthday-- the day before Armstrong and Aldrin landed on the Sea of Tranquility. I think that synchronicity has partially shaped who I am. I loved Star Wars, but I have to agree that 2001 remains a film of thoughtful genius.
Yup, it's a great movie. I've always been attracted by the thought that maybe we were visited millennia ago by some advanced being(s) and given a developmental kick in the head. And that ending always bugged me because unless you had read the book (which I hadn't when I first saw the movie), you really wouldn't have a clue what that was all about.
Now BJ about this synchronicity stuff- not following that. Ah, you were out-of-sync and then you felt more synchronized? Please expound.
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| 3 JUL 2004 at 9:58pm |
| Deleted User | I turned eight, saw 2001 and witnessed the Moon Landing all over an amazing two day period.
I turned into a sci-fi obsessed geek who took computer classes even before there was such a thing as a PC, stood in line for Star Wars, Star Trek and LotR movies, didn't date until well-after high school, wasted a few years playing as much D& as possible, was a social outcast until my late 20's and eventually grew up into someone who now has seemingly little in common with the political, religious, philosophical and entertainment viewpoints and priorities of his fellow Americans.
Sure, I might have turned into a total geek anyway, but then again...
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| 3 JUL 2004 at 10:01pm |
| Deleted User | Or maybe it is the word "synchronicity" you didn't understand? I am using it to refer to the occurence of two or more seemingly unrelated events at the same point in time which combine to reveal an unexpected connection or produce an unexpected result.
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| 4 JUL 2004 at 12:22am |
dombrewerGuild Master
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Status : Offline | That's very cool Jim. That's actually one of the first times I've thought how great it would be to have been a kid growing up at that time as well.
I don't know exactly what I would have made of 2001 aged 8 myself, but the moon landing must have been wonderful. The possibilities of the universe suddenly opening up...
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