| 8 DEC 2002 at 3:11am |
NMLIIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Hmmm....... How long did it take for you to finish the game, it has just come out?
I am looking forward to play the game.........
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 3:16am |
dimidimidimiSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I guess it adds up to 20-25 hours of gameplay though I didn't count...I've been playing it day and night, I was totally hooked. It has been a long time (since Syberia) that I was so hooked with a game...
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 4:18am |
BelindaSchattenjger
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Status : Online | gee dimi.......wish I could play it. But it would take me about 31 hours to download. :'( :'(
Too bad someone couldn't put it on a cd for others to try, that can't download it cause of not having a faster internet connection. :'(
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 4:25am |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | if you're on 56 like me (or are there still slower connections?) then it should take about 4-5 hours (full speed dloading)... that is IF you manage to start though cause i always get a Server Busy message
You have gotten the attention of the mysterious lady. She turns to face you. Her face is devoid of any flesh. You are frozen with horror as she begins ripping your body into a bloody mess.
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 4:31am |
dimidimidimiSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Hei belinda, maybe this will help you....
When I first started downloading the game it said that it would need 11 hours to download it. And then I just left it there and returned after 5 hours and then it said that it needed 10 more hours.
I got a little bit furstrated and because I had read that they wouldn't release the game without getting some mirrors first, I tried clicking on the link again and see if something happens.
This time it started downloading much faster than before and from another server. I clicked on it again and it tried another server that was slower. Then I clicked again and it tried a different server that was even faster. So I clicked about 5,6 times and in the end I kept open the three fastest windows...the game was downloaded in 1 hour.
So maybe you want to try clicking on the link some times until you get a fast server. Believe me, it is worth every second of downloading. If you enjoyed the sierra games of the 90's you're going to fall in love with KQ2. I had so much nostalgia while I was playing the game, I thought so much of the feelings I had while I was playing the old sierra games.
And I was at the same time so excited thinking about the potential this has...how many great adventures can come in form and life from Tierra....
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 4:53am |
BelindaSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Thank you dimi....I'll try that. You think it may be possible in the future for Tierra to become publicized? I loved playing the KQ's series, except for number 8, which sucked.
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 4:55am |
BelindaSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I forgot......I am on a 56 connection too. And King's Quest, either 4 or 5 was the first adventure game I played, then got hooked on adventures. I even went back to buy the first and second ones too, which I didn't really enjoy as much as the 4-7 ones, but I played them anyways.
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 5:15am |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | 'Guys please make the next one a commercial adventure....I can't believe I payed money for NBA 2003, Largo Winch, and Mystery of the druids and I got this one for free. It is very unfair.'
No, no, no Dimi! This is one of those times when it's fair! It's only right that we should occasionally get something great for nothing since we often pay big bucks for crap!
The future ain't what it used to be!
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 6:01am |
BelindaSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By SirDave (8 DEC 2002 5:15am)
It's only right that we should occasionally get something great for nothing since we often pay big bucks for crap!
Got that right SirDave........then when you try to sell your games, you can only get about a fourth of what you paid for them. :'(
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 7:57am |
| Deleted User | Ok dimi,
now I need to finish it, computer freezes or not
I just hope it's as good as you say, you seem to overhype things sometimes
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 1:13pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | OK, my take on KQ2 VGA: very short, very entertaining. Took me 6 or 7 hours to finish (no walkthroughs, hints etc, it's too easy for that). The graphics look just like old 1990s Sierra games (ie. pretty good). Writing resembles Sierra as well with all the little puns. The story is kinda like old KQ2 but much better. I'd give it a B+, mostly because it's so darn short. For free software it's very, very good. Kudos to Tierra.
However I must put up a big fat warning to the people who won't touch BS3 with a 10 foot pole - I wouldn't want them to run into any nasty surprises.
WARNING! KQ2 VGA contains a large amount of timed puzzles, many combat type situations and even one (gasp!) action sequence! If you are a pure PnC fan, avoid this game at all costs!
Obviously Tierra has sold out and made a hybrid action-adventure game here. It's sad but it's the truth. True adventure fans are being ignored again. Time to get rid of the old companies like Tierra and look forward to the newcomers...
And now own up, who took the above seriously?
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 2:07pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MichalN (8 DEC 2002 1:12pm)
WARNING! KQ2 VGA contains a large amount of timed puzzles, many combat type situations and even one (gasp!) action sequence! If you are a pure PnC fan, avoid this game at all costs!
Obviously Tierra has sold out and made a hybrid action-adventure game here. It's sad but it's the truth. True adventure fans are being ignored again. Time to get rid of the old companies like Tierra and look forward to the newcomers...
And now own up, who took the above seriously?
I DID, I DID!!! oh, oh wait, wait... you're not erpy who is part of Tierra saying that, just like another company's CEO did right? so i guess i won't take you seriously then!
You have gotten the attention of the mysterious lady. She turns to face you. Her face is devoid of any flesh. You are frozen with horror as she begins ripping your body into a bloody mess.
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 3:12pm |
dimidimidimiSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By MichalN (8 DEC 2002 1:12pm)
OK, my take on KQ2 VGA: very short, very entertaining. Took me 6 or 7 hours to finish (no walkthroughs, hints etc, it's too easy for that).
This is the one I didn't take seriously. You are either lying, or you had played the older KQ2, or you played the beta version and you knew what you were doing.
I think just reading all the dialogues takes more than 6-7 hours, without moving around and solving puzzles ... do you read the dialogues or do you just click through them? And then too easy? Ok was it easy to find your way through the swamp? Or did you know all those fairytales?
One thing is for sure, that this game is not easy...I went yesterday to the king's quest forum to say congratulations to Tierra and if you see how many people are asking for hints there you're going to be surprised. And it is not short....I think the game has 20 hours of gameplay...(though as I said I didn't count).
And where was the action sequence? The game has an arcade sequence but it asks you if you want to play through it or not, and I said not so the game does it for you which is just a great thing.
It has a lot of timed sequences and this is the only drawback as far as I can see, but this was a fault of a lot of late 80's early 90's adventures (and the fact that you have to take care where you are walking) and they made a remake so maybe they didn't want to rip the whole gameplay away...
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 3:30pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MichalN (8 DEC 2002 1:12pm)
OK, my take on KQ2 VGA: very short, very entertaining. Took me 6 or 7 hours to finish (no walkthroughs, hints etc, it's too easy for that).
Michal, how could you finish this game in so much little time when supposedly Tierra added 20+ hours of extended gameplay (at least according to the hype)?
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 4:50pm |
ElfstoneGuild Master
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I didn't take any of what you said seriously, because it isn't possible!
But don't make too much fun of it. I really didn't like the arcade sequences.
And if you really made it in 6-7 hours then you just rushed through and didn't experiment at all.
I'm not yet thorugh, stuck at 149 points. That bridge problem, you know.
Apart from the fairy tale puzzle I had no major difficulties. This one was a bit out of competition, because I'm no native speaker and I' not familiar with English/American fairy tales. I would say the game is quite easy, but I better be silent as I am stuck for the moment.
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 5:13pm |
ErpyIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | I'd also like to add that we included some excessive cursing near the end of the game. We did that to take away the prejudice that KQ was for little sissies. We also included that violence because we wanted the MOE-fans to give the game a try. Finally, we decided to punish the purists by rewarding the players who DID play the arcade sequence with extra points, thus making it impossible for the purist to finish with maximum score.
OK, seriously now. I don't agree with the fact that the game is short. At least not much shorter than other Sierra games. I do agree with the fact that it FEELS short for seasoned adventurers. If you blaze through the puzzles with lightspeed, the game probably feels short indeed. I got the game before beta testing and I finished it in 1 1/2 day with only one hint. The puzzles aren't necessarily too easy, they're just logical. People who are used to far-fetched puzzles won't have much problems with the puzzles at all. We did this because people often complained that the original's puzzles made so little sense. So yes, it's most definitely possible for adventure-veterans to complete the game quickly. A pity, but let me assure you that we put a disgusting amount of hidden eggs, references and background info in there to make it worthy of replay.
It's indeed true that there has been an outragous amount of hint requests in our KQ2-forum. So the difficulty of the puzzles is quite obviously a subjective matter. I DO have to mention that some of the people posting there might have been able to complete the puzzle that had them stumped if they would have devoted another 5 minutes on it. (some people really shouldn't have internet) On the other hand, it's kind of a compliment if people are anxious to get past puzzles because it shows that the story has drawn them in and they are eager to find out what happens next.
For the seasoned and experienced adventurer, KQ2+ might indeed be too easy. However, part of our goal is to introduce new people to our favourite classics. Adventure-veterans won't let the series die anyway, but new fans enlarge the series lifeline. Wookie's priorities have always been story above puzzles because hard puzzles tend to put off adventure newbies. And if that happens, they won't give the rest of the series a second glance either. Even for big, powerful commercial companies, it's hard to determine how hard the puzzles should be in order to gain the optimal effect.
As for the timed puzzles, that's a matter of taste. Some people don't like it if they only have a limited amount of time to do something, others think it makes the situation more realistic and the danger the character is in more evident.
Finally, please be gentle. It's only our first "original" game. (actually I haven't heard people bashing the game here, so I won't complain about the responses)
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 5:50pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Elfstone (8 DEC 2002 4:49pm)
@michael
Name spelling inquisition strikes again!
Erpy, that sounded too much like an excuse which I really think it's not necessary. Since your game is free, it doesn't matter how long or short it is. People didn't invest money so nobody can expect it to compete with a comercial product.
Actually, if KQ2+ can be completed in 6-7 hours, I can tell you that I finished Zelenhgorm in less than 5 hours, so your game might have more value than that product (that's all I can say since I havn't played it yet).
Regarding easy puzzles, maybe you could include some alternate paths or multiple solutions for your next remake?
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 6:56pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | i agree 100% with Rael... when a game is free and it's so finely made (as all the others say... didn't manage to dload it yet myself ) then what's the point complaining about its length? and like i always say (and as it was discussed in that old Syberia thread) the ease of a game is subjective... and it matters a lot if you have played the game before too
You have gotten the attention of the mysterious lady. She turns to face you. Her face is devoid of any flesh. You are frozen with horror as she begins ripping your body into a bloody mess.
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 7:25pm |
MissBSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Has anyone been able to successfully play KQ2VGA on WinXP? Just wondering before I download it....thanks!
My name is Bethany and I'm the daughter of Gamergal/Michelle.
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 7:27pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By gamergal (8 DEC 2002 7:25pm)
Has anyone been able to successfully play KQ2VGA on WinXP? Just wondering before I download it....thanks!
Yes, I tried it and it ran OK.
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 7:31pm |
| Deleted User | Im downloading it now.Never played it. I hope its a cool game
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 8:02pm |
ElfstoneGuild Master
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MichalN - is that correct? i'm too lazy to look it up - is not to be taken seriously as he says over and over again.
Pretty sarcastic attack on purists if you ask me.
It took me about 20 hours to finish the game and I experimented a lot and tried to examine, take and talk to everything on screen just to get all these little puns and eggs you mentioned. There is a huge amount of unique comments. Especially if you try to use something on a character.
I'm not one of those who play an adventure game more than once, because I have yet to play a lot of them and that would waste time.
That's why I try to see everything my first time around.
In total that was a very nice playing length for a free game.
I was stuck 3 times. Once in the first third of the game another time in the last third. But I fortunately managed to get out of it on my own after leaving the game for a while and trying it again later.
The third time I was stuck was just a matter of spending time to solve it on my own or get advice to finish it off quickly. That was the fairy tale puzzle, which I couldn't solve due to lack of knowledge thereof.
I'm sure that many foreign players will be stuck at that point which might be a slight annoyance for them, but then you could solve it by trial & error - which might take a long time, but it is possible.
Unfortunately in my first takes on adventure games I used walkthroughs a lot and that ruined my gaming experience.
As I know that I am by far not the best adventure gamer out there I would call the puzzles logical and quite easy except one stumper which kept me literally stuck.
Trial & error helps.
Now that I finished the game I have to admit that it is not only the best remake and fan-made game, but even one of the best pure adventures I ever played.
I would not go so far and put it above KQ6, but it's ranked pretty high.
I finished with 183 out of 185 points. I wonder if I was expected to do something with the earrings. There were many things to read or examine which would give you extra points. One or two of them I seem to have missed. And there were multiple solutions to some puzzles, like the one with the lion.
Is there a reward if you have the full score?
Did anyone collect all points and can hint me on how the last two are scored?
Please send me a private message.
I didn't play Zelenghorm, but I think this is just a grabber for your money. It's so short and only one of a series of games which you all have to fully pay for. Splitting it up is a dirty technique to make the most profit. The desperate adventure gamer will buy everything including this.
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 8:49pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Aya_Brea (8 DEC 2002 2:07pm)
I DID, I DID!!! oh, oh wait, wait... you're not erpy who is part of Tierra saying that, just like another company's CEO did right? so i guess i won't take you seriously then!
You'll be in for a rude surprise then There really are lots of timed puzzles, an arcade sequence and several combat situations. And you know what, it doesn't make KQ2 VGA a bad adventure at all. Just like it won't make BS3 a bad adventure (though something else might)
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 9:07pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By dimidimidimi (8 DEC 2002 3:12pm)
This is the one I didn't take seriously. You are either lying, or you had played the older KQ2, or you played the beta version and you knew what you were doing.
Excuse me? It took you longer than me so I must be lying?
Yes, I did play KQ2. About seven years ago. And I honestly don't remember any of it other than that it was a game along the same lines. I certainly never saw KQ2 VGA before last night.
I think just reading all the dialogues takes more than 6-7 hours, without moving around and solving puzzles ... do you read the dialogues or do you just click through them?
Come on, in 6-7 hours I can read at least a 250 page book. And that's a lot more thext than KQ2 VGA. Of course I read all the dialogues.
And then too easy? Ok was it easy to find your way through the swamp? Or did you know all those fairytales?
Yes, I got through the swamp on the first try, I hope that doesn't shock you too much. [WARNING HINTS!]
Someone mentioned a monk going through the swamp intently reading a book... and then in the church I find a book page with words that all start with N, W, S or E. I mean, how more obvious can you get
No, I didn't know all the fairy tales. I had to experiment with the "girl with no flock" but to my great surprise I got all the others right.
One thing is for sure, that this game is not easy...I went yesterday to the king's quest forum to say congratulations to Tierra and if you see how many people are asking for hints there you're going to be surprised. And it is not short....I think the game has 20 hours of gameplay...(though as I said I didn't count).
Easy is relative. Very relative. But if it took me 7 hours, should I lie and say it was 17? Be glad that you could enjoy the game longer. I always zip through games too fast.
And where was the action sequence? The game has an arcade sequence but it asks you if you want to play through it or not, and I said not so the game does it for you which is just a great thing.
Arcade sequence or action sequence, it's the same. Yes, it is very commendable that you can skip it. I didn't, but I really appreciated the option.
It has a lot of timed sequences and this is the only drawback as far as I can see, but this was a fault of a lot of late 80's early 90's adventures (and the fact that you have to take care where you are walking) and they made a remake so maybe they didn't want to rip the whole gameplay away...
OK, lemme get this straight... so if an 80's game remake has lots of timed puzzles it can still be the greatest game of all time but if a new game is rumored to have timed puzzles it is a heresy against all adventuredom and it is a game to be avoided?
I forgot my sig.
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