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| 16 JUN 2004 at 6:32am |
Lucien21Guild Master
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Status : Offline | So he admits it was all your fault after all (j/king)
However, this was a mutually agreed upon decision, based on the reviews
Will you amend the review to take into account it's new status and presumably it's not $19.99 anymore.
Does it make the game a better prospect for buying?
Dear Diary, My teenage angst bullsh*t now has a bodycount.
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| 16 JUN 2004 at 5:04pm |
Lucien21Guild Master
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Status : Offline | I was just pulling your leg.
Dear Diary, My teenage angst bullsh*t now has a bodycount.
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| 16 JUN 2004 at 7:44pm |
| Deleted User | Careful... I might pull your tail.
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| 16 JUN 2004 at 7:46pm |
mbc841Space Cadet
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Status : Online | These are his words, not my own interpretation.
Actually BJ, your statement in para B) above IS your interpretation. [smiley=hair_pull.gif] I merely stated that I should have probably gotten a more diverse group of people - from different forums, such as here, at JA+ or from Adventure Gamers - to test the game (instead of having ALL my testers from the same place). I'm sorry you had to phrase it the way you did - but those were NOT my words !! I trust everyone who knows me knows better.
And all 22 of my beta testers did an OUTSTANDING job! A special thanks to LenG - who stayed up MANY MANY late nights looking for bugs and testing the puzzles, and helping me iron out many different things. His input was INVALUABLE! And Inferno, who stepped in at the very last moment to donate her services to me - she helped steady me when I thought I was about to loose my mind! THANK YOU Inferno!!
Mike.
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| 16 JUN 2004 at 7:56pm |
| Deleted User | AKKKKKK! Sorry about the confusion. There is a paragraph break between the two comments. I meant that "He wants neither his own name nor that of Got Games associated with a 'lemon,'" were your own words, Michael. (Which they were.) That's why it's in a separate paragraph from the earlier comments, which do, in fact, include some degree of "interpretation" on my part.
My apologies to anyone who was confused or misled.
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| 16 JUN 2004 at 8:01pm |
mbc841Space Cadet
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| 16 JUN 2004 at 8:02pm |
| Deleted User | Fair enough? [smiley=angel_smiley.gif]
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| 17 JUN 2004 at 3:10am |
FongoIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | As one of the previously described "Stepford Wife" beta testers from a certain "there are no bad adventure games" site, I would like to respond to comments made earlier in the thread.
A poster active on many adventure forums who beta tested the game has been adament about agreeing with many of the concerns raised by the two published reviews of The Arrangement. I would concur with that poster's assessment (as well as Michael's comments) that much that was criticized about the game is valid. I also know for a fact that others also raised concerns about the game.
So to assert that the beta test was some sort of GameBoomer-Arrangement love-in in which we somehow "convinced" a doubting Michael Clark that his game was perfect and worthy of commercial release is complete fantasy - despite whatever you "interpreted" from your oh-so secret PM coversations with the developer.
It's my turn to make an assertion - that the above-mentioned Stepford Wife crack is nothing more than a childish pot-shot from a former GameBoomer forum member who was kicked off the boards (or was asked to leave).
Really, I don't give a rat's a$$ about what you think of the GameBoomers forum, but please do not call into question my ability to objectively beta test a game.
I'm Moo-Moo the cow, I eat lots of hay....
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| 17 JUN 2004 at 4:12am |
adventuredogGuild Master
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edit1: I removed the middle of the quoted post
edit2: I removed my post as the post it was referencing was deleted by the poster. Thank you!
Still adventuring after all these years!
Patiently awaiting The Last Crown: Haunting of Hallowed Isle, and Bracken Tor...
... and Asylum if it's not tooooo scary...
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| 17 JUN 2004 at 6:06am |
jalexSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | Well I played the demo and read the reviews and they didn't sway my thinking at all. I am going to play this game no matter what as I enjoyed Harvest a lot and I think Mike writes great games. I saw in harvest a lot of things that I thought some of the big game developers should put in there games and didn't.
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| 17 JUN 2004 at 8:10am |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Fongo (17 JUN 2004 3:09am)
As one of the previously described "Stepford Wife" beta testers from a certain "there are no bad adventure games" site, I would like to respond to comments made earlier in the thread.
A poster active on many adventure forums who beta tested the game has been adament about agreeing with many of the concerns raised by the two published reviews of The Arrangement. I would concur with that poster's assessment (as well as Michael's comments) that much that was criticized about the game is valid. I also know for a fact that others also raised concerns about the game.
So to assert that the beta test was some sort of GameBoomer-Arrangement love-in in which we somehow "convinced" a doubting Michael Clark that his game was perfect and worthy of commercial release is complete fantasy - despite whatever you "interpreted" from your oh-so secret PM coversations with the developer.
It's my turn to make an assertion - that the above-mentioned Stepford Wife crack is nothing more than a childish pot-shot from a former GameBoomer forum member who was kicked off the boards (or was asked to leave).
Really, I don't give a rat's a$$ about what you think of the GameBoomers forum, but please do not call into question my ability to objectively beta test a game.
Fongo, I don't recall you from GB, though I posted there often in the last year, perhaps you will recognize my name. In the thread that was deleted from there Friday, which was about the review BJ wrote, Gatorlaw, and Syd attacked BJ and his review. Krkdnose, who I'm not familiar with, defended BJ's right as a reviewer to give his opinion, even if it was a bad one. I wrote this -"Krkdnose, since this reviewer cannot post in this forum, I want to thank you for him, for defending his review and all reviewers." This may not be quite verbatim, but it's pretty close. It was my only post in the entire thread. Without any warning or any email notification last Friday, I found myself banned from GameBoomers, or rather "blocked", since I can read the posts but can't post there anymore. Two days later, BJ's girlfriend, Lucky's Rainbow posted to Krkdnose that he had an email waiting for him. Nothing more. She too was blocked from GB. Neither post was in any way inflammatory - we were both blocked because of our association with BJ, pure and simple.
BJ's post above, which has been now removed, reflects his anger at GB. It was a harsh comment, but perhaps now that you know some of the background, you will understand better where he was coming from. He was personally attacked at a site where he could not defend himself, and his girlfriend, and friend - me, were blocked for a mild post in my case, and an innocent one in hers. I know you weren't the one who blocked us, but he felt the need to "get back at" GB.
FGM
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| 17 JUN 2004 at 2:50pm |
| Deleted User | ~~ Mike ~~
Thanks for the exceptionally nice words. I very much doubt that I deserve them more than most of the other beta-testers.
I'm glad that the misunderstandings have been resolved and that you are distributing the game yourself.
The price of US$14.99 (it would seem including packing & postage ?? ??) is VERY reasonable, and I sincerely hope that you earn some well deserved cash for your great endeavours.
Wishing you (and all the other 'participants' in the game) all the very best ...... Len Green.
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| 17 JUN 2004 at 2:51pm |
ConMolSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | I have no idea what happened but I do know one thing -Gatorlaw is a gracious and positive force in adventure gaming...and so is Michael Clark.
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| 17 JUN 2004 at 4:46pm |
krkdnosePrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Well I don't really know any of you and I've been banned from GB now too.
Geez, that's what you get for defending people's rights and standing up for people who you don't even know.
I should have known better!
Why can't I just be a sheep?
Let me ask...do people just disappear from here with no reason too?
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| 17 JUN 2004 at 4:49pm |
kittySorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | I don't think I've ever seen anyone get banned from JA. But I could just be oblivious. Of course, I've seen lots of rude comments from people who are still here, so I would imagine it takes a lot.
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| 17 JUN 2004 at 4:56pm |
Lucien21Guild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By krkdnose (17 JUN 2004 4:45pm)
Let me ask...do people just disappear from here with no reason too?
We are much better at hiding the bodies
Dear Diary, My teenage angst bullsh*t now has a bodycount.
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| 17 JUN 2004 at 5:34pm |
krkdnosePrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Lucien21 (17 JUN 2004 4:55pm)
We are much better at hiding the bodies
Yeah, but what about the smell??
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| 17 JUN 2004 at 5:45pm |
Lucien21Guild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By krkdnose (17 JUN 2004 5:33pm)
Yeah, but what about the smell??
That's just Monkeydude. He's not house trained
Dear Diary, My teenage angst bullsh*t now has a bodycount.
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| 17 JUN 2004 at 6:55pm |
adventuredogGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By krkdnose (17 JUN 2004 4:45pm)
Let me ask...do people just disappear from here with no reason too? I don't think anyone "disappears" from any forum without a "reason". Some site owners are more restrictive than others about the tone of the posts that they allow. Some of it may have to do with the rules of the BB software they are using (eg. rules against pornography). Some of it has to do with the level of tension/conflict that the owner(s) tolerate. Many/most(?) sites have an intolerance towards trolls and really nasty flaming. It is really up to the owners when posters are banned.
It is very rare that posts here are deleted or edited by the mods. Most editing I've seen is done by the posters themselves. There is a lot of self "policing" and give-and-take in forums with a large contingent of regular posters that get to know each other. We tend to pick up on when when someone is having a bad day and often give each other a fair amount of slack. Things usually only get really nasty when discussing Myst and other hot political topics. :
Many of us have gotten out of line from time to time (like in life outside the forum) and just need a friendly reminder to lighten up a bit. Sometimes a sterner warning may be needed. In my time here, I think I only know of 1 or 2 that may have been asked to leave. Trolls often delete themselves after a few well-placed jabs.
Still adventuring after all these years!
Patiently awaiting The Last Crown: Haunting of Hallowed Isle, and Bracken Tor...
... and Asylum if it's not tooooo scary...
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| 17 JUN 2004 at 7:25pm |
Randy-JAJourneyman
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Status : Offline | Michael, Laura and Len Green are all positive forces for the adventure community in their own way and it is uncalled for that what should have been friendly disagreements should be twisted into personal attacks.
We will also not allow JA Forum to become a stomping ground for attacks against other forums be it GameBoomers, Adventure Gamers, et al.
Nor is Syd evil incarnate, though I have heard she can be a little devlish at times
Consider this topic locked.
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