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| 6 DEC 2002 at 11:34am |
alkis21Schattenjger
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Location: GR
Status : Offline | Ok this is not an adventure game but it's still my favorite. Donkey Kong which should have been named Monkey Kong but when they realized the mistake it was too expensive to correct it!
Imagine how different our lives would be if we played The Secret of Donkey Island!
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| 6 DEC 2002 at 5:06pm |
EvaGuild Master
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Status : Offline | I don't know if it's a mistake but sometimes there are inconsistensies when it comes to languages - like in GK2, set in Germany where some of the writings you found was in German and others in English - and the tape-puzzle was done in English which seemed a bit strange - would the Zookeeper speak English to his assistant? Also in Syberia everything was in English except the writing on the waterlock control panel.
Of course it would be difficult to make a game in English otherwise but if some of the writings are in English and some not it just seems a bit strange.
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| 6 DEC 2002 at 5:21pm |
dimidimidimiSchattenjger
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Joined: 10 OCT 2002
Status : Online | Monkey island 2 ending....this was weird....I didn't like Monkey island 2 so much just because of the ending...otherwise it was a brilliant game.
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| 6 DEC 2002 at 5:25pm |
bistroSorcerer Apprentice
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Joined: 15 OCT 2002
Status : Online | Wait a few days on this one...I'm playing Beyond Atlantis II (which is actually BA3...or is it "III"...it's full of weird moments...
Currently, the main character has been killed and is now a ghost and she's building a fire in order to keep warm.... ???
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| 7 DEC 2002 at 3:00pm |
GargoyleIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By getstuck (6 DEC 2002 5:06pm)
I don't know if it's a mistake but sometimes there are inconsistensies when it comes to languages - .
This is like the age-old anime issue. Dub or sub. I will scream until my lungs leak from my ears and the sky darkens in a fog of seven-winged purple bats, SUB!!!!
Many adventure games are set in exotic locales or at least places where English is not spoken. It is self-destructive to prod English into every cranny possible!
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| 7 DEC 2002 at 7:57pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Gargoyle (7 DEC 2002 3:00pm)
This is like the age-old anime issue. Dub or sub. I will scream until my lungs leak from my ears and the sky darkens in a fog of seven-winged purple bats, SUB!!!!
But in the age of DVD, there is no conflict! You can have both - isn't that the best solution? Personally I like to watch both the subbed and dubbed version. I guess if I spoke Japanese I'd be all for subbed only, but I don't, so I'm not.
Many adventure games are set in exotic locales or at least places where English is not spoken. It is self-destructive to prod English into every cranny possible!
But if you wanted to be consistent then you'd also have to have all texts in the local language. I don't think that would go over very well.
I forgot my sig.
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 1:55pm |
GargoyleIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | I agree that, thankfully, now the choices are there for DVDs, but don't know if both dubbing and subbing will be seen in games soon. I speak a smattering of extremely fragmented Japanese, but I think that if animes were from Darkest Africa and utilized dialects entirely unknown to me I would still watch them subbed. I don't know if it is just me, but I love listening to foreign languages that I do not understand, be it in animes or songs or whatever; it is richer......
Actually, the fact that I, and the English-speaking market of which I am a part is neglected (evidenced by the lack of dubbing) is very appealing, in much the same way as a pure and white beach unspoiled by tourists is.
I suppose there will inevitably be problems, but when a game does "get it right" it is quite blissful indeed
eg The Last Express
PS and OT: Has anyone watched Spirited Away?
Spirited Away is an absolute masterpiece.
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 2:05pm |
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PS and OT: Has anyone watched Spirited Away?
Spirited Away is an absolute masterpiece.
I agree - my girlfriend and I would rather watch subbed than dubbed, and she's Italian, so she finds it harder but stil prefers it!
As for Spirited Away, being in animation I'm a total MIYAZAKI FREAK! I have the english special ed. of Mononoke, a blatantly illegal copy of Totoro and the japanese DVD of Spirited Away, plus I received the Art Of book yesterday which I urge people to seek out.
Animation as art, I tell you.
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 4:24pm |
OmniaIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | I'm not quite an uberFan, but I like Miyazaki too. My favorite is Majo no Takyubin (Kiki's Delivery Service). Truly wonderful. I have yet to see Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi (Spirited Away) though. It's no. 1 on my list of movies to see.
Anyway, here's a entirely random adventure moment, sort of.
It's in The Cameron Files: Loch Ness
Background: I live in Japan and bought the localized version, but I bet it's the same on every disc out there.
If you click on exit, a screen appears showing a portion of an old typewriter and credits appear on the sheet of paper in the typewriter.
The odd thing about this is the top row of the keys clearly seems to be "a z e r t y" instead of the traditional qwerty layout. Funky. An inside joke perhaps? It definitely caught my eye. I mean when you see a graphic of a typewriter, you kind of expect the qwerty thing.
Other random moments...playing the other endings of Riven and Exile are pretty weird...and depressing. Practically every scene in American McGee's Alice is weird.
Cheers and happy gaming,
Omnia
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 8:16pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Omnia (8 DEC 2002 4:24pm)
The odd thing about this is the top row of the keys clearly seems to be "a z e r t y" instead of the traditional qwerty layout. Funky.
Not funky, French! AZERTY is the usual French keyboard layout.
Of course, certain people might argue that "funky" and "French" is in fact one and the same But I'm not one of them.
I forgot my sig.
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 8:27pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Gargoyle (8 DEC 2002 1:54pm)
I speak a smattering of extremely fragmented Japanese, but I think that if animes were from Darkest Africa and utilized dialects entirely unknown to me I would still watch them subbed. I don't know if it is just me, but I love listening to foreign languages that I do not understand, be it in animes or songs or whatever; it is richer......
I don't speak Japanese at all and I still like to listen to it. But dubbing is so much more practical and convenient... I wonder if it gets such a bad name only because many dubs are so poor. If I had to choose one I'd probably go for subbed, but I totally understand people with the opposite preference.
I suppose there will inevitably be problems, but when a game does "get it right" it is quite blissful indeed
eg The Last Express
The Last Express was rather incredible indeed. There were 4-5 languages besides English spoken there. And at least the Russian and German people were really saying what the subtitles said they were saying (which isn't always the case). What really impressed me was that the Austrians actually spoke with Viennese accent.
PS and OT: Has anyone watched Spirited Away?
Spirited Away is an absolute masterpiece.
Not yet. But I'm certainly going to
I forgot my sig.
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| 8 DEC 2002 at 9:33pm |
| Deleted User | Watch Spirited Away any way you can. It's amazing!
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| 9 DEC 2002 at 12:54am |
OmniaIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By MichalN (8 DEC 2002 8:16pm)
Not funky, French! AZERTY is the usual French keyboard layout.
Thank you for that. Every time I quit that layout would kind of catch my eye. Obviously, it hadn't even dawned on me that it was another's language's keyboard layout. :-[ Doh!
Now everything is clear. It all makes perfect sense now. Well, not everything, but at least the bit about the keyboard.
Cheers,
Omnia
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| 10 DEC 2002 at 6:21am |
| Deleted User | When something really scary or hard happens and the moment after the character is still standing waiting for your command.... :-/ Now that's weird
(Thinking about Adrienne being "raped" in Phantasmagoria)
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| 12 DEC 2002 at 2:58pm |
ivomonIntergalactic Janitor
Posts : 1
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Status : Online | You"re playing Atlantis III, I've just finishes it.
Now I'm playing Atlantis II and I cannot open the door in the pyramide. I put the crocodile-feet and the glass in the wall but... nothing happened.
Do you know what is wrong?
I am Yvonne, I live in the Netherlands and I am 53 years old. I hope I wil hear something about you,
greetings Yvonne
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| 13 DEC 2002 at 3:34am |
overcomeSpace Cadet
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Joined: 16 OCT 2002
Status : Online | Monkeybone, I'm in animation too!
Are you doing traditional or 3D? o you want to do it in games, or movies in the future?
And more on topic:
HAs anyone played the action/adventure called Ecstatica???
Now that was weird. So was Legends of Kyrandia and my all time favourite platform game of hte past: Out of This WOrld.
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| 13 DEC 2002 at 10:58am |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By overcome (13 DEC 2002 3:34am)
Monkeybone, I'm in animation too!
Are you doing traditional or 3D? Do you want to do it in games, or movies in the future?
I'm a storyboard artist (not an animator) and designer for TV and film animation with advertising on the side! So, technically, I could direct either soon if all goes well and my plans are completed....mwhahahahaaaaa!
What do you do?
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| 13 DEC 2002 at 5:49pm |
overcomeSpace Cadet
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By monkeybone (13 DEC 2002 10:57am)
I'm a storyboard artist (not an animator) and designer for TV and film animation with advertising on the side! So, technically, I could direct either soon if all goes well and my plans are completed....mwhahahahaaaaa!
What do you do?
Well not much as I am only in 1st year of a 3 year animation program. And 1st year we don't even do aimation, more like art fundamentals course.
I am undecided whether to go into storyboarding, 2D animation, 3D animation, background and texture painting or what. I need to try these thing out for a bit first and see what I'm best at.
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| 14 DEC 2002 at 12:05am |
| Deleted User | Well not much as I am only in 1st year of a 3 year animation program. And 1st year we don't even do aimation, more like art fundamentals course.
I am undecided whether to go into storyboarding, 2D animation, 3D animation, background and texture painting or what. I need to try these thing out for a bit first and see what I'm best at.
I tell you what I know... I've only been in the business a short time and am as much of a animation virgin as you! Still, I'm always asking people questions and have learnt some hard lessons -
Remember often what you come out of college and start with is what you'll be known for for ages, no matter how hard you try to get out of it. I'd love to do BG's and characters, more so direction, but I'm still boarding away after a year!
Not that I mind... although I just finished a 240 or so board on-model as possible w/cleanup today, and occasionally it can be quite hard on both your ego and fingers...
Do as much life drawing as possible - I need to , and know several incredibly talented artists that still do. Storyboarding is a skill that you need to work hard at and be wary of possible mistakes whilst you're doing it, in particular framing and line crossing.
Oh, and watch plenty of GOOD cartoons and films to get a sense of what's possible to do!
Do animation to improve your sense of timing - I started in production designfor film and don't animate, but my musical background helps with that.
I'd suggest get the fundementals of animating from 2D if you can - it's essential to learn the elements of squashing and stretching. I'm still getting the hang of it. If you're gonna do traditional animation it's a must, and antics are always needed to bring a comedy that extra edge. Learn as much as possible from 2D, then move onto 3D - it's essential.
Other than that, just keep on truckin'. Be humble. learn by your mistakes and be willing to listen to tutors and other animators. Buy the Richard Williams Animators Survival Guide as soon as you can and study like a crazy person.
The lady who hires for Dreamworks 3D told a group of us at a recent VFX conference how frustrated she is by the inadequacy of most 3D animators, too busy learning packages and not learning the art.
With this in mind, you'll go far.
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| 14 DEC 2002 at 4:42am |
overcomeSpace Cadet
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Status : Online | Monkeybone,
Thanx alot for the advice. I saved it on my hardrive. Looks like I'm on the right track taking this 2D animation. We do tons of life drawing. I had to throw out stacks and stacks of newsprint after this semester.
I know I should take a 3D course after 3 years of 2D. But 4 years of school at age 23 seems kind of daunting. I might just look for work after I finish this 3 year traditional animation diploma.
Like that lady was saying from Dreamworks. I hope my studies in 2D will give me an edge over the tons of 3D gurus out there.
Cheers!
Dan
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