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| 16 OCT 2002 at 4:37am |
The Terror of the Wolf part 3Schattenjger
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Status : Online | Speaking of DVD has anyone tried "Point Of View", interactive DVD movie?? What did you think?
Never even heard of it, but I'll keep an eye out for it. Interactive movie? Sounds like a cross between our FMV games, and the Atmosfear video board games
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| 16 OCT 2002 at 4:52am |
Randy-JAJourneyman
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Status : Offline | Many retail stores will not carry a dvd version of a game - makes you wonder why we even have the dvd drives in our machines. I'm sure some offer the dvd version and I would be interested to learn if anyone has a store in their area that does offer the choice of dvd when available.
Why should a developer make his/her game for dvd if it can not be distributed - the perfect example is Dreamcatcher's Schizm. I've yet to see or even hear of the dvd version in any store. This is not for Dreamcatcher's lack of effort either - they did everything they could to get the dvd version into stores.
We will continue to see games on 3 and 4 cds until some publisher has the courage to distribute a blockbuster game like The Sims or Doom 3 on dvd only.
Point of View is very good by the way. You can read a review here http://www.justadventure.com/reviews/POV/POV.shtm
and the developer of P.O.V. is also on the JA Forum talking about his newest game The Collector.
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| 16 OCT 2002 at 6:22am |
JenniferMillerSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | I'm going to back Randy up on this one.
When Schizm was released, I had to get my DVD copy of it through Amazon. As usual, when I wandered into the local EB, they looked at me like I was from Mars when I asked about a DVD version of the game.
Aw, gotta love chain-retail gaming . . .
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| 16 OCT 2002 at 6:26am |
CerberusPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | I don't think CD-ROMS really took off until a couple of clever chaps went and released a little game called Myst, so it stands to reason that DVD's wont really take off until (as Randy says) someone has the guts to release a DVD only game with serious mass-market appeal.
Also It would be quite interesting to have "special features" for games released on DVD. Stuff like interviews with the development team, parts of the original design doc compared with the end result, coice acting bloopers, trailer videos, etc.
Maybe even a developers commentary as you play!
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| 16 OCT 2002 at 8:06am |
Dark_Fall_GamesIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | I seem to remember when they were making Schizm, that the developers stated it would be a DVD release, and the CD version would follow later. There were statements made that implied that the DVD had more features and better quality video and sound. Has anyone compared the two?
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| 16 OCT 2002 at 11:10am |
sennebecGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By overcome (16 OCT 2002 4:19am)
Speaking of DVD has anyone tried "Point Of View", interactive DVD movie?? What did you think?
Overcome
hey overcome !
i have played POV but not the DVD version...
i loved it a curious, weird game with lots of tension, and the outcome depends on your responses...these types of games are a great break from the standard adventure...
the same company gave us "tender loving care" which i enjoyed just as much...
even though i am enthralled with games like obsidian, darkfall, the longest journey, etc. ,
i'd like to see more offerings of this nature...
but as they say... "always leave them wanting more"
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| 16 OCT 2002 at 12:37pm |
ConMolSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | POV and Tender Loving Care are very adult...a nice change of pace. I enjoyed them both very much.
I played Schizm JUST so I could see the graphics on DVD. Even with a walkthrough book with pictures, it was a challenge for me. I enjoyed the visual beauty though.
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| 16 OCT 2002 at 1:01pm |
colgan65Intergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | i have both the cd-rom and dvd version and all i can say is that the difference in quality in the graphics is exceptional. c,mon the dvd's.
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| 16 OCT 2002 at 1:08pm |
MaciekIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Dark_Fall_Games (16 OCT 2002 8:06am)
I seem to remember when they were making Schizm, that the developers stated it would be a DVD release, and the CD version would follow later. There were statements made that implied that the DVD had more features and better quality video and sound. Has anyone compared the two?
There's a signficant difference between the versions. Most noticeable is the graphics quality - the CD has significantly higher compression ration which leads to serious artefacting. The CD has less sequences with live actors which affect slightly the story. There's one additional puzzle in the DVD version.
The problem with DVD games is circular logic of retailers. They don't carry DVD games (and don't order them) because customers don't buy them. Customers don't buy them because DVD games are not present in retail. Publishers are not interested because retailers don't want to order them. I don't expect this to change in the future and DVD games would probably never take a significant share of the market. Currently this share is declining - are there any DVD games coming?
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| 16 OCT 2002 at 2:13pm |
bistroSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Cerberus (16 OCT 2002 6:26am)
I don't think CD-ROMS really took off until a couple of clever chaps went and released a little game called Myst, so it stands to reason that DVD's wont really take off until (as Randy says) someone has the guts to release a DVD only game with serious mass-market appeal.
The public has always been reluctant to change, once a "standard" has been so rock-solid established like CD-ROM games. It's like VHS and Betamax. Betamax was smaller (easier to store) and the picture quality was better than VHS (by a long shot), but Beta wasn't marketed very well. By the time Beta was made available, VHS was "what everybody has...I don't want anything different or incompatible". Beta died a fiery death, even though it was the better medium.
I remember that Tex Murphy DVD... , but it was way before it's time...or rather, it's time never arrived.
As Cerberus mentioned, it's going to take someone with brass kahunas to market a DVD game with such mass appeal that folks will buy a whole new system just to play the game.... ....then when the other developers see how much revenue it's generating, they'll all jump on the bandwagon.
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| 16 OCT 2002 at 4:49pm |
The Terror of the Wolf part 3Schattenjger
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Status : Online | The problem with DVD games is circular logic of retailers.
Very true. This is the reason for so many troubles and woes in the world.
They should teach logic in schools, they really should.
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| 17 OCT 2002 at 12:14am |
overcomeSpace Cadet
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Status : Online | [quote author=Maciek
The problem with DVD games is circular logic of retailers. They don't carry DVD games (and don't order them) because customers don't buy them. Customers don't buy them because DVD games are not present in retail. Publishers are not interested because retailers don't want to order them. I don't expect this to change in the future and DVD games would probably never take a significant share of the market. Currently this share is declining - are there any DVD games coming?
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Replace DVD with "peace" and retailers with "nations", customers with "citizens" and finally Publishers with "government" and you have an idea of why the world is so violent now
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| 17 OCT 2002 at 9:34am |
MyriexIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | I personally refuse to play a game on CD if there's a DVD-version availible. I have Riven, Dark Side of the Moon, Lightbringer, Zork GI, Schizm etc. on DVD and it's such a relief not having to do that (put F-word here) disc-swapping! To me that's the REAL benefit of the DVD-format. The possibility of improved graphics comes second.
I actually couldn't stand the otherwise great Traitors Gate just because of the disc-swapping. A locationwise non-linear adventure on four CDwithout a full install option... The horror! That game would have been great on DVD! Or with a full install option.
I guess one of the reasons why the DVD-format hasn't taken off is that the hard drives are getting bigger and bigger which still makes it cheaper for the manufacturers, and possibly better for the consumers, to put their games on the cheaper CDand let the consumer install almost all of the contents on their HDinstead.
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| 17 OCT 2002 at 11:14am |
MaciekIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | I guess one of the reasons why the DVD-format hasn't taken off is that the hard drives are getting bigger and bigger which still makes it cheaper for the manufacturers, and possibly better for the consumers, to put their games on the cheaper CDand let the consumer install almost all of the contents on their HDinstead.
Actually the cost of pressing one DVD disc is currently equivalent to the cost of pressing about 3-4 CD discs therefore in case of multi-CD games this isn't the most important reason. And the cost is still going down, therefore soon it wouldn't make much difference if the manufacturing cost is concerned.
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| 17 OCT 2002 at 1:14pm |
MyriexIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | I see. And packaging and such is of course cheaper with the DVD.
So, it should be just a matter of time then. Maybe when all shooters and strategy games begin to fill up more than one CD and require CD swapping during gameplay the breakthrough will come. Guess we adventurers are too small a group to make an impact in this regard...
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By the way Maciej; are there any plans for rereleasing the Reah DVD in the future? I've had a heck of a time finding it and I only have the CD version as it is.
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| 17 OCT 2002 at 3:17pm |
MaciekIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | By the way Maciej; are there any plans for rereleasing the Reah DVD in the future? I've had a heck of a time finding it and I only have the CD version as it is.
No plans I'm aware of. The only DVD version of Reah available is Polish one. I don't know about any publisher willing to offer any version of Reah therefore this game seems to be dead.
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| 17 OCT 2002 at 3:24pm |
JoYSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | I've yet to see or even hear of the dvd version in any store.
Well then you will just have to visit The Netherlands and look for a Dynabyte store
I also have some other DVD games which where also bought in stores, funny thing is that they always seem to be in the bargain bin! My guess is publishers are indeed having trouble selling the DVDs and they end up dumping them on the market just to get rid of them!?
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| 17 OCT 2002 at 9:28pm |
STooGE4444, EastCoastDoom...Schattenjger
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Status : Online | Yes, I have heard of PoV and was going to buy it. For some reason I didn't. It looked very interesting.
Game companies should definitely start putting their games on DVD more and not just Adventure games. It'd be way cooler. One reason I can think that they don't do it is that yes DVDs are practically standard for new computers. But still about half of the people who play games have older systems. The other reason might be that they can sell more if there are more CDs because people think that it's big.
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| 18 OCT 2002 at 9:27pm |
bleepnikPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Myriex (17 OCT 2002 9:33am)
I personally refuse to play a game on CD if there's a DVD-version availible.
I would have to concur absolutely. However, the problem that I encounter regularly is simply not knowing that there is a DVD version of a game available. ear reviewers, might that information be appended to your existing reviews? It would be greatly appreciated. Whether or not the DVD version may be easily obtained is irrelevant. I'm very patient; I just spent the past 5 months or so obtaining Runaway: A Road Adventure from Spain (in Spanish). I live in the US, and that was no easy feat, lemme tell ya. At any rate, my point is just that I'd like to know whether or not a game is available on DVD; I'll worry about procuring said version later
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| 22 OCT 2002 at 1:57am |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | I used to think this was an issue (eg. DVD version saves disk swapping), but now that I use a CD emulator such as CD Anywhere or Virtual CD, I can just load the CD images on my laptop and play without the need for any optical drive, DVD or CD!
The future ain't what it used to be!
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| 22 OCT 2002 at 2:35am |
ZiggyIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | I've often found out about a DVD version of a game after I've bought and/or played the CD version. Of course, that didn't stop me from buying the DVD version anyway.
I think I played one or 2 games with CD Anywhere but don't remember the resulting experience. Thanks for the reminder that it's an option.
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| 22 OCT 2002 at 10:09pm |
DavidIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | First, thanks for the nice mentions of POV and TLC in this thread.
We had great ambitions for TLC on DVD-ROM but they were dashed, crushed, smashed and generally obliterated by retailers who absolutely refuse to allow a single shelf for DVD-ROM titles in their stores. Their reasoning is that no-one makes DVD-ROM titles. We did, as did others, but we couldn't get through to them. VD-ROM was certainly the coolest version of TLC (released simultaneously with the CDROM) but hardly anyone ever saw it.
DVD-ROM wasn't even a consideration for POV. This really sucks because DVD-ROM is by far the best format to date for games. Both TLC and POV translated easily to DVD Video which is a perfect medium for those titles, but most games need the complex interactive capabilities of a computer.
It seems ludicrous to me that we're planning to release The Collector on CDROM. Antiquated technology. But that's what we're doing.
David Wheeler
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| 22 OCT 2002 at 10:14pm |
bleepnikPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | If the cost of pressing DVD-ROMs is not prohibitive, why is lack of retail shelf space such a major issue? I mean, even independent developers these days are getting their games distributed and played, thanks to the 'net - all it takes is a web site and a Paypal account (or something). So why couldn't a company just offer the DVD-ROM version online? We'd certainly all buy it
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| 28 OCT 2002 at 1:20pm |
MyriexIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Know this thread is kinda old by know...
But, Sir Dave, I agree that CD emulators are great in many ways. I use CD Anywhere myself.
Problem is some games simply won't work with CD emulators. One of those games are, unfortunately, Traitors Gate... I've tried everything, like installing it from the original CD or from the CD image, to run it with or without the No-CD patch etc. Whatever you do the game refuses to accept the CD image as being one of the original CD:s. Same thing with some other games as well.
But when it works it's truly great, with its increased speed of gameplay and no need for swapping disks or starting the game from a certain disk. But I still think at least the latter issues are solved in a better way by using the DVD format. And with the DVD you know when you buy it that no swapping will be involved instead of just hoping for the game and its copy protection to be working with your emulator. And not having to copy all the CDto your hard drive isn't exactly a bad thing either.
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