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15 MAR 2004 at 7:18pm

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Originally Posted By Fickfack (15 MAR 2004 1:46pm)

Randy's review of BloodRayne is one of the more memorable thing's I've read on the Internet recently.  

Yeah, I remember reading it last year, and in spite of Randy's negative opinion - I love the game -  


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16 MAR 2004 at 5:58am

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Originally Posted By Fickfack (15 MAR 2004 1:46pm)

Randy's review of BloodRayne is one of the more memorable thing's I've read on the Internet recently.  

I still would like to hear the story of BS3 but I kind of guessed the game would be pretty close to the way your interview said so I still haven't got it yet. some day I will play it just for the story though.
Yes I played BloodRayne and I play very few shooters but I kinda liked that one.  I think that one and Max Payne are the only two shooters that I played all the way to the end.


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17 MAR 2004 at 1:41pm

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Well, Monster, it seems you don't quite fulfill the requirements for Broken Sword 3 in one important point: your taste.  


BS3 was one great experience, featuring it all: suspense, fun, immersion, visuals.

More and more difficult puzzles would not have been amiss, I admit.
There's no point - just click!

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19 MAR 2004 at 1:51pm

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Originally Posted By Arnir (12 MAR 2004 2:06am)
I liked the game a lot.

Couldn't agree more.  I have been enjoying the game, but for the past two days have been trying to run up a tunnel to avoid getting killed.  I literally hit the wall.  I usually like key control, but these are confusing, especially when you have to do it fast.










That being said, however, I hated the controls.  Loathed them.  I would get disoriented when the screen changed and therefore the directions changed.  IMO, if you are going to make a puzzle where a path is very important, don't set it at an angle to the screen.  Perhaps not a big thing, but it annoyed me.

The actions sequences weren't hard, but they did annoy me when I had to go back and repeat it time after time because of some split second issue.  

I don't care about 3d, first person, 3rd person, etc.  As long as the system works, I'm okay with it.  I just think that the controls on this one got in between me and the game which is a sign of a bad interface.

Other than  that, I pretty much loved the game.



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20 MAR 2004 at 10:30pm

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Eh, Broken Sword 3 definitely wasn't as fun as the first two, but to say it's a shame to the genre is pretty damn over the top...
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13 APR 2004 at 3:26am

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Monster:

I have to agree with you in part--BS3 has one of the most inept ports to the PC that I have ever had the annoyance to play. But I do think that the environment, plot, characters and general game play were reasonably well developed. I enjoyed the game, as far as I played it, including the corny dialog. However, the console just pushed me over the edge and I trashed the game about a third of the way through. The fact that Syberia II was sitting on the kitchen table may have helped to hasten BS3 trip to the bottom of the Dumpster.

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5 MAY 2004 at 3:32am

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I'm currently playing BS3 and I'm having great fun. George just wouldn't be himself without his corny jokes.

I don't mind the controls (I reset a few keys to be more convenient) or the action sequence however I rotate between playing FPS (shooters)  and AG so their just natural to me. Although I'm starting to get bored with mindless shooters.

The one downside I find with BS3 is pixel hunting without a mouse is difficult. I spent hours just wandering around the theatre trying to find a way modify object A (trying to prevent spoilers) before I discovered the stage light was a usable object. Now I'm wandering around with Nico outside the castle trying to find a way in.

Broken sword 2 was the first AG game I beat without hints or walkthrough and I'm trying to do that again with BG3. Although I haven't finished it I recommend this game especially to people use to playing more action style like myself.


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8 MAY 2004 at 2:55am

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I still havn't bought it yet because I hated the controls in Grim Fandando so much I didn't even finish the game. I figured BS3 would be the same but I did enjoy Bs1 and Bs2 so I do want to hear the story and I guess I will have to play it some day.


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25 JUN 2004 at 6:23am

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Why let controls stop you? I played Grim and liked it!

BK3 - yea, I'd rather have my mouse AND no timed puzzles, BUT George AND Nico are what make the games.

I love the way they interact - very well done characters!

Overall, the 15 hrs I spent with BK3 were wonderful.

I'd play it again!




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27 JUN 2004 at 9:13pm

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Thanks for the review Ana.
I made that assumption too but I havn't played it yet and I guess I will have to try it someday but I sure don't want to have to pay much for it. I liked the story of the first two and wanted to continue it but I was so disapointed when I heard about it I havn't got it yet.  I don't belive that changes like that should be made to any sequil ether. Take a look at KQ8 for example it was a good game but should never have been called Kings Quest.





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30 SEP 2004 at 5:21pm

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Amazing. It takes all different tastes in gaming to make the gaming world go 'round, doesn't it?! LOL

I LOVED BS3!  It is in my top FIVE favorites games, and I have played literally hundreds of games.  The ONLY thing I wish, was that it was about 20 hours LONGER!  I cannot say ENOUGH good things about the game, as a matter of fact.  I too will play it again.  I think it was one of the VERY best games of the past year.

Of course, I might add that my gaming appetite is very well-balanced, and I am not an "adventurer only."  I like games from EVERY genre, so perhaps that overall love of games/gaming makes my views a bit more open and unbiased against certain things like keyboard controls, action scenes, etc.  However....everyone has different tastes....that's what makes the world an interesting place.

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30 SEP 2004 at 9:00pm

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Hmm... I have to say, I really liked the game.  I didn't LOVE every minute of it, but overall, I really enjoyed it quite a bit.  Even the "action" sequences (which weren't really) were easy enough that I didn't mind them too too much.

The plot was a bit predictable, and the controls sucked... plot, not the strongest... so while I see some validity to some of your criticisms, overall, I liked it as a quick jaunt.

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5 OCT 2004 at 6:12am
Deleted UserNot a shame to the genre.  Merely a shame to the Broken Sword franchise.  Big difference.

5 OCT 2004 at 1:08pm
Deleted UserI liked it as a sequel and a game. Any game that keeps my girlfriend rooted to the computer screen's a good one.

Only two issues got in the way - excessive box pushing and the controls. If it wasn't for that I'd have had trouble criticising it.

6 OCT 2004 at 12:26pm

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I think the real shame is the way this game was treated even before it came out. If people didn't like it thats fine - I understand that the controls WERE tricky, though lots of games have a few unpopular puzzles....I just think that all that was good about it got lost somewhere...and Steve Ince didn't deserve that.

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8 OCT 2004 at 8:02pm

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I didn't have an issue with controls since I used my PS2 style gamepad with it. After remapping to my liking, it was perfect.
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9 OCT 2004 at 7:45am
Deleted UserAgreed I started playing it on PC and the keyboard controls sucked and a short while ago I bought the PS2 version for 20 Euro and the controls were almost perfect. I still only once was troubled in an action sequence where George had to run into my direction.

9 OCT 2004 at 10:32pm
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Originally Posted By Ogre (9 OCT 2004 7:45am)
Agreed I started playing it on PC and the keyboard controls sucked and a short while ago I bought the PS2 version for 20 Euro and the controls were almost perfect. I still only once was troubled in an action sequence where George had to run into my direction.
You? Agree with I?  


I think I know what sequence you're talking about. The one where you have to run to the jeep, right? A nightmare. And it's nothing, believe me.

Oops, just noticed it's not me that you agree with..



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Marney, you're not by any chance Ana reincarnated are you?

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10 OCT 2004 at 7:37am
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14 OCT 2004 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted By Marney (9 OCT 2004 10:31pm)

You? Agree with I?  


I think I know what sequence you're talking about. The one where you have to run to the jeep, right? A nightmare. And it's nothing, believe me.

Oops, just noticed it's not me that you agree with..




No, the jeep scene was not that difficult, I had more troubles with fleeing through the cave to the elevator because it was slightly bend and you had to run in a curve and not straight.  I was always running into the wrong direction somehow.



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No, the jeep scene was not that difficult, I had more troubles with fleeing through the cave to the elevator because it was slightly bend and you had to run in a curve and not straight.  I was always running into the wrong direction somehow.


Yep that WAS annoying but still doable as was the running through the halls to the elevator while being pursued and the really bad implementation of precision stealth in that very bad temple scene.

All-in-all, I enjoyed much of BS3 for its lovely cinematic artwork, better than average voice acting, reasonably interesting story and colorful characters. But those action sequence controls for the PC did suck, the few real puzzles were too easy and the whole crate thing, well enough said.

I was disappointed in general but would never give a game like this an F. It simply had too many good points for that and a lot of the my complaints can be attributed to personal taste, perhaps too much experience in more difficult PC adventure games and just maybe...

growing old.

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23 NOV 2004 at 3:24pm

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I must say that I absolutely *loved* BS3. I played it three times in a row. The only thing I can complain about is the story, which isn't very intriguing. And all those boxes to move around, of course.

Even if they release a Broken Sword XXIV: George and Nico goes to the mall, I'd happily buy it.

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23 NOV 2004 at 5:39pm

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I loved it, too and was wanting to play it again but for some reason it freezes on startup now.  ??? I wonder if it's a Starforce thing?
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23 NOV 2004 at 7:02pm

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Originally Posted By Orange_Brat (23 NOV 2004 5:39pm)
I loved it, too and was wanting to play it again but for some reason it freezes on startup now.  ??? I wonder if it's a Starforce thing?

Probably not - Starforce gets blamed for everything these days (not that I'm a fan of copy protection).

I ran into a similar issue - try this. Open Windows Explorer (in detail view), and peruse to Program Files. Select The Adventure Company, Broken Sword - The Sleeping Dragon folder and  look for a shortcut named Broken Sword - Safe Video Mode . Click it, and see if it starts up for you. If so, reconfigure your display options in the game and then exit back to windows - you should be able to play normally after this.

Not sure why the shortcut isn't documented (or even placed into the Program Group for the game), but it worked for me.

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