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| 18 NOV 2002 at 10:17pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Yeah, I agree. Remember the health packs laying around in Doom's Inferno...?
They've NO IDEA what an adventure game is
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| 18 NOV 2002 at 10:25pm |
BelindaSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I STRONGLY agree with you on this Randy. I'd rather come here now and read about Adventure Games than read the magazines. I do like to sit and relax with a magazine, but when I do (like PC Gamer), after I go thru it, it makes me mad, either no reviews on adventure games, much less advertising them, or a very article on maybe 1 game. >
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| 18 NOV 2002 at 10:35pm |
paulieIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | This post reminds me of something i read a year or so ago in a UK PC gaming magazine. I won't go into specifics, simply because i can't remember the full details.
There was a review for an adventure game in either PC Gamer or PC Zone (available in the UK.) The review was pretty much a hatchet job on the adventure genre. The reviewer didn't like the story, the puzzles, the sometimes sedate pacing, pretty much everything about the game.
Anyways i noted the reviewers name. Then i flipped to the start of the reviews where they index that issues reviews and have a few words about each reviewer, written by the reviewer themself. Normally each reviewer notes their favourite games. Anyway his favourite games were all FPS's or Soccer games. Probably not the best person to review an adventure game. I actually remember thinking to myself at the time: this guy has probably never sat down and played an adventure game in his life.
Just another example of how the mainstream gaming magazines don't take adventure game seriously (and their reviews.)
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| 18 NOV 2002 at 10:42pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Hey, maybe some hardcore adventure gamer could review a sports game or racing sim for a change? I'm sure that could yield some hilarious results too
Like, for a racing sim: "After a while the scenery began to look repetitive to me when I realized that I was driving in circles! WTF!?!"
I forgot my sig.
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| 18 NOV 2002 at 11:04pm |
paulieIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | "Like, for a racing sim: "After a while the scenery began to look repetitive to me when I realized that I was driving in a circles! WTF!?!" "
LOL!!
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| 18 NOV 2002 at 11:09pm |
dimidimidimiSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Maybe you would like to turn to The Inventory instead... I promise that The Inventory will be more than friendly to adventures.
I really hope that it becomes something that you will be waiting every month. Btw I just finished uploading it in JA, so you should be seeing it any moment soon.
PDF adventure magazine - The Inventory&&http://www.justadventure.com/TheInventory/TheInventory.shtm&&&&What would you give to know the truth?&&http://www.brokensaints.com
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| 18 NOV 2002 at 11:55pm |
JCIntergalactic Janitor
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Having an adventure game reviewer point out all the shortcomings of FPS, Strategy, Sims or other genre in a "review" of one of these games is a great idea. Perhaps Jeff Strand and his "Seriously Whacked" point of view could take a shot at it. I love his offbeat sense of humor.
Choosing the game(s) to review would also be part of the fun. Something the main-stream gamers gave a moderately good rating to would be best. As Ray Ivey has pointed out many times there are excellent FPS, (Thief, System Shock 2, Deus Ex, etc.) and great games in other genres (Starcraft, Diablo, etc.) with strong adventure elements that would be hard to do. But something like Serious Sam or another game that hits the bargain bin in less than 6 months would be a good choice.
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| 19 NOV 2002 at 1:08am |
ConMolSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | I remember being seriously shocked at Tom Chick's review of Deus Ex at Gamesdomain. He actually wrote 'You're supposed to be a government agent, yet you get most of your equipment by foraging' and 'Deus Ex is a game about crates'
see http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/zones/reviews/pc/jun00/deusex.html
Anyway - the bottom line is why is it more realistic to find medic kits strewn about? RPGs are very much fed ex games (which is why I never finish them because there is no story to keep me going).
Maybe adventure gamers belong in a book club rather than the hard core gaming club.
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| 19 NOV 2002 at 1:40am |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | RPGs are very much fed ex games (which is why I never finish them because there is no story to keep me going).
Play Planescape: Torment
Then Fallout 1 & 2.
And, when you're done, Wasteland.
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| 19 NOV 2002 at 1:45am |
The Terror of the Wolf part 3Schattenjger
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Status : Online | ".....Unfortunately, all of this is wrapped arond nothing more than a lethargice slaugher hunt pretending to be an action game. This genre, almost by definition, will require a certain number of "go here, kill that" assignments. No matter the setting, the denizens of action games all seem to suffer from short-term memory loss. They spend so much time blasting enemy soldiers to small pieces over and over and over again, it's no wonder they haven't the time to stop and wonder just who the hell left all those pieces of ammo and health packs lying around...
Can we say, karma?
[url=http://www.justadventure.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1136331866/0#0]GAMES FOR TRADE!![/url]
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| 19 NOV 2002 at 5:24am |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | That review in CGW exposes the ignorant, elitist crap that seems pervasive in the computer gaming mags (and, by the way, I subscribe to, and like, CGW).
I love action 3D games and, often, in the evening enjoy going right from this forum to take a shotgun to deserving Nazis in Medal of Honor.
But the fact is that Adventure games have far more depth and substance to them than action games and it actually takes more mental energy to play them. The dirty little secret in all of this, is that the average IQ of the readership of this forum is likely a substantial cut above the average 3D Action player who thinks:
"the denizens of adventure games all seem to suffer from short-term memory loss. They spend so much time misplacing items, it's no wonder they haven't the time to spend looking for them."
The future ain't what it used to be!
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| 19 NOV 2002 at 5:34am |
bleepnikPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By SirDave (19 NOV 2002 5:24am)
That review in CGW exposes the ignorant, elitist crap that seems pervasive in the computer gaming mags...
...the average IQ of the readership of this forum is likely a substantial cut above the average 3D Action player...
/me cackles quietly to herself...
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| 19 NOV 2002 at 10:26am |
paulieIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Just a quick post to back up some of my points in post 4 of this thread.
I just flipped through the last 4 issues of PC Zone. Probably the 1st or 2nd most read PC gaming magazine in the UK.
The scores they give adventure games are abysmal. Check them out.
Syberia - 42/100
Schizm: Mysterious Journey - 15/100
The Secret Of The Nautilus - 18/100
Simon The Sorcerer 3D - 25/100
Shocking. Although having played Simon The Sorcerer 3D 25/100 seems right.
The other games deserve so much more though. Again disappointed to see that the majority of those reviews were reviewed by someone who lists his fav games as Soldier Of Fortune II and Counter Strike.
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| 19 NOV 2002 at 7:55pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By justG (19 NOV 2002 5:33am)
/me cackles quietly to herself...
...because she knows it's true
I forgot my sig.
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| 19 NOV 2002 at 11:47pm |
subzero2oIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | What the hell is wrong with these people??
Just because Adventure Games dont have blood all over the wall and guy jumping out at you for no reason what so ever doesn't mean that they are bad. I remmeber playing doom and spending hours looking for a stupid Keycard, while getting attacked by mentally challenged mutants for no reason.
Anyone know any Nympomanics???
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| 20 NOV 2002 at 12:00am |
| Deleted User | * justG cackles quietly to herself...
...because she knows it's true
May the funk be with us.
Always.
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| 20 NOV 2002 at 12:26am |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | It's good to belong in the elite
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| 20 NOV 2002 at 6:31pm |
mbc841Space Cadet
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Status : Online | ".....Unfortunately, all of this is wrapped arond nothing more than a lethargice scavenger hunt pretending to be an adventure game. This genre, almost by definition, will require a certain number of "go here, fetch that" assignments. No matter the setting, the denizens of adventure games all seem to suffer from short-term memory loss. They spend so much time misplacing items, it's no wonder they haven't the time to spend looking for them...
> I CAN'T STAND the attitude displayed here. Both genre's rely heavily on inventory collection. The difference, as I see it, is that in Action games your most needed skill will be quickness, dexterity, and a good aim, while in Adventue games your most needed skill will be intelligence.
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