| 19 NOV 2003 at 3:14am |
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Status : Online | Wow! If someone is willing to spend THAT much with an old adventure, maybe the game companies should consider re-releasing the games more often.
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| 19 NOV 2003 at 3:17am |
MrLipidPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | And to think that I bought my copy of Alice for less than $20. If only investing in the stock market were that easy....
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| 19 NOV 2003 at 3:59pm |
scoutPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | A.D. 2044 went for 199.00 USD a couple of weeks ago.
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| 19 NOV 2003 at 4:36pm |
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Status : Offline | My follow up question would be are any of these games actually worth it? I've only heard of Alice out of that top 10, but is it so wonderful and rare to be worth that much to somebody?
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| 19 NOV 2003 at 5:21pm |
shrimpnoseIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | To Scout,
I am not sure about it, but I think that "A.D. 2044" is an RPG game.
To Dombrewer,
You are quite correct, none of these games is worth near what was paid. It all has to do with the mechanics of supply and demand. If there is a high demand for a specific hard to find game, the price automagically rises...
Also of interest to collectors, the prices paid for these games included boxes and documentation and some of them were new and still sealed, so I am assuming some of these people never planned to play the games anyway.
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| 19 NOV 2003 at 5:46pm |
MrLipidPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | As with anything it is possible to own, there are those who derive pleasure from ownership of pristine copies and those who derive pleasure from engaging in whatever activity the copy was designed for, be it reading in the case of books, playing in the case of games, etc.
For the record, I am a reader and a player.
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| 19 NOV 2003 at 6:05pm |
scoutPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By shrimpnose (19 NOV 2003 5:21pm)
To Scout,
I am not sure about it, but I think that "A.D. 2044" is an RPG game.
A.D. 2044 is a rare adventure game developed by LK Avalon in 1998 and published by Flair Software. There is an RPG game of a very similar or identical name though. There is often some confusion about the two games.
EFT (edited for typo)
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| 19 NOV 2003 at 8:49pm |
kittySorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | I really want The Vampire Diaries--I was a big fan of the books when I was a kid. But yeah...hard to acquire a copy when it's going for that much. And I hear it's not the greatest game in the world...
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| 19 NOV 2003 at 9:39pm |
shrimpnoseIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Hi Kitty,
You can still get "Vampire Diaries" for less than $100, if you only want the CD's. Just keep an eye on the eBay auctions and one day you might be lucky. Now if you are looking for the complete game, you better be ready to spend upwards of $200.
PS - Good luck and hope you get the game soon...
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| 19 NOV 2003 at 9:47pm |
kittySorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | Heh--yeah...that's really the problem. I'm more of a "collector". I gotta have the game box--even if I can't get original inserts. I'm just going to keep waiting patiently and hope that one day all of those rich people have their own copies and I can snag one for $30 or so.
But thanks for the good wishes!
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 1:44am |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By shrimpnose (19 NOV 2003 5:21pm)
To Scout,
To Dombrewer,
You are quite correct, none of these games is worth near what was paid. It all has to do with the mechanics of supply and demand. If there is a high demand for a specific hard to find game, the price automagically rises...
To say that 'none of these games is worth near what was paid' is only true if the games can actually be had elsewhere for much lower prices or there really isn't any demand for them. For instance, Reah is still considered a relatively rare game, but was selling at inflated prices in the U.S. 6-8 months ago when it turned out that there were a fair number of copies available in Europe for at least 1/2 the price games were going for on Ebay.
However, many of the 'rare' games (eg. a boxed Celtica) are worth what was paid for them if that is the price people are willing to pay to own them. That is the one and only criterion of their worth and that is the way the 'collectibles' market works. It has nothing to do with whether the game was any good or not- Celtica is only considered to be a fair-good, but not great adventure game (depending on the reviewer!), but if you keep an eye on Ebay you'll notice that even the jewel-box-only Celticas sell for over $75-100.
That said, what I would agree with is the fact that, at least 5 of the 10 games mentioned in the opening post are of only minor interest to the average hard-core adventure game collector (such as myself). They definitely are rare and hard to find and there are those who are apparently ready to pay dearly for them, but the games themselves are not on very many adventure players must-have interest list.
2 games not mentioned above that will go for at least >$150-200 (if you can find them) and are of interest to many collectors are boxed versions of Dinotopia and The Cassandra Galleries.
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 3:17am |
PatvsSpace Cadet
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Status : Online | Great usefull topic..!
Other high prices I saw on Ebay:
$195 Roberta Williams Anthology
$180 King's Quest Collection
$160 Space Quest Collection
$160 Quest for Glory Anthology
$160 Leisure Suit Larry Collection
$160 Monkey Island Collection
$120 Loom (CD)
(Not an adventure)
$250 Wing Commander Kilrathi Saga
$150 Wizardry Archives (RPG)
It doesn't matter if it's the Sierra 15th Anniversay edition, or re-released Collection. They ALL sell for very high prices.
4. $350 - Orion Burger
I'm selling my Orion Burger (boxed, English version) in two weeks on Ebay... along with some Lucasarts games.
Anyone has seen more high prices of adventure games??
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 4:06am |
scoutPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Just a note. The above prices are all high end. Many of these games (with a few notable exceptions) can be had for much, much less with some shopping around.
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 5:18am |
shrimpnoseIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | To SirDave,
Strictly as a game collector I couldn't agree more with you, of course these games are worth whatever people want to pay for them. This is a very subjective matter, and in the end you set a games' worth by how high you are willing to bid. On the other hand if your sole interest in a game (ie. Dombrewer) is playability, no game is worth $300.
If anybody is interested, I have a more extensive list of Adventure games and their values, I just wanted to focus on the top 10 here.
Other top contenders are:
$183 - Touche: The Adventures of the Fifth Musketeer
$157 - Dinotopia
$150 - Jack the Ripper
$133 - The Gene Machine
$132 - Night Trap
$122 - Case Of The Cautious Condor
$86 - Cassandra Galleries
Note - These are only the prices I caught on eBay and may not represent their highest selling value (ie. JC only). I welcome any input or update on these figures.
And then there are those very rare complete games that you almost never find on ebay, and therefore their price tag can only be speculated:
Alien Incident
Eve Burst Error
Hard Evidence: The Marilyn Monroe Files
U.F.O.'s
Blue Heat: The Case of the Cover Girl Murders
Monet and the Mistery of the Orangerie Museum
OPSYS
Opera Fatal
Nippon Safes Inc.
Igor: Objective Uikokahonia
Maupiti Island
... and many more ...
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 1:27pm |
shrimpnoseIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | To Scout,
Sorry for my reference to " A.D. 2044", I should have done my homework, this game is indeed an adventure game, thank you. As far as the above prices being all high end, that is exactly what my initial statement said.
Originally Posted By shrimpnose (19 NOV 2003 3:10am)
What's the most you have seen people pay for an Adventure Game (PC) on eBay?
We all know with some leg work these games can be purchased for much less.
To Bijtje,
There are two types of people being discussed here, collectors and players, the subject here is not whether you should spend that much for a game or not, if you bought all those games for near to nothing (with or without boxes / german or english version), more power to you. The point is that some people did pay that much for these games, and anybody find me an english version of "uckman" for $19.95 and I'll snap it out of your hands faster than you can say YabbaDabbaDooh!!!
And by the way, you must be making a reference to the new "inotopia" game, I don't think you can find many new sealed copies of the old "inotopia" around.
Again, I am only interested in knowing what people paid for games, not the moral reasons attached to them. That subject should be discussed in another topic.
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 2:06pm |
scoutPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Shrimpnose,
No need to apoligize. I mix those games up all the time. I almost bought the RPG version once thinking I was getting the adventure version super cheap but figured it out at the last minute.
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 2:24pm |
| Deleted User | To Bijtje, [snip]
And by the way, you must be making a reference to the new "inotopia" game, I don't think you can find many new sealed copies of the old "inotopia" around.
Nope. I was talking about the old Dinotopia.
Again, I am only interested in knowing what people paid for games, not the moral reasons attached to them. That subject should be discussed in another topic.
OK. I was just trying to be helpful, but I can see my post was inappropriate and I'll post it elsewhere.
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 3:20pm |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | It's apparent to me that some of the games that we pay relatively high prices for in America are kicking around Europe in various countries for somewhat less than we pay here. Reah is an example. However, the fact is that in the collecting business, one of the key factors is how many games are there that are available to buy on the open market. Just because someone has anecdotal experiences of seeing some game somewhere for much less than it's selling on Ebay doesn't mean that there are enough of them to meet the demand of the collectors that want them. When you are trying to build a collection, you aren't going to hold off because someone saw a Celtica in, say, Equatorial Guinea, for $5. What really drives the market now, like it or not, is what people are willing to pay on Ebay.
Some may not like the way this works, but that has been true for all sorts of collectibles forever in some way, shape or form. I've always thought most Chagall paintings are a pile of crap and I wouldn't ordinarily hang one in my front room (except to brag that I had one ), but the perception was created that they are great works of art and rare so the price is sky high. Is it unfair that I can't go out and buy a Chagall because collectors have driven the price that high?
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 4:23pm |
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Status : Online | I've been trying to get the The Neverhood on Ebay, but the bids are always sky high even for a disc with no booklet.
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 5:47pm |
coreoverloadIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By scout (20 NOV 2003 2:06pm)
Shrimpnose,
I almost bought the RPG version once thinking I was getting the adventure version super cheap but figured it out at the last minute.
Would that be 2400 AD? That is pretty hard to find too.
Sirdave, why do you use Celtica so often in your examples of rarity? There plenty of other games that are equally rare if not rarer. There is Armaeth the Lost Kingdom, Who's Fat Lou, Grackon's Curse, Gordak, Escape from the Haunted House, Riddle of the Maze etc.
Still trying to find many of these games. I only have 2 and 1 pending.
Here is what I have seen.
Alien Incident-NIB sold for less than $100
Eve Burst Error-never heard of it
Hard Evidence: The Marilyn Monroe Files-usually under $50 (at least that's what I've seen)
U.F.O.'s (I haven't seen any sell on eBay lately, but I have seen a couple sell)
Blue Heat: The Case of the Cover Girl Murders ($50 in jewel case)
Monet and the Mystery of the Orangery (about $80)
OPSYS (haven't seen any sell)
Opera Fatal (I think they go pretty cheaply in Germany)
Nippon Safes Inc. (haven't seen any sell)
Igor: Objective Uikokahonia (haven't seen any sell)
Maupiti Island (haven't seen any sell)
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 6:47pm |
Dark ANASorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By shrimpnose (19 NOV 2003 3:10am)
What's the most you have seen people paying for an Adventure Game (PC) on eBay?
You are welcome to add to or update the list below
6. $225 - 3 Skulls of the Toltecs
What!? I sold it for only 25$!! AHHHHHHH!!!!
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 7:02pm |
shrimpnoseIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Hi Patvs and Coreoverload,
Thank you for your input, any information about rare Adventure games is truly appreciated, cheers...
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 8:58pm |
coreoverloadIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | There is also Id Anthology that sold for $265
And Lost Adventures of Legend for $200
And King's Quest Collection $500 (probably wasn't a real bid)
Masterpieces of Infocom $130
I'm curious. Why did you start this thread? If somebody who was going to sell one of the games on this list and saw this they might think twice before selling their
game(s).
And they would probably put a high reserve/starting bid. And these are just the highest prices for games anyway. Not the average. If somebody were going to sell Alice interactive museum I don't think they would have to much trouble getting the price you posted, but it is difficult finding somebody that would pay the other prices for the other games.
I think is probably what they would sell for.
1. Alice interactive Museum-over $300 sounds about right
2.Duckman-probably $150 (English version)
3.Vampire Diaries (price sounds about right)
4.Orion Burger-probably $150
5.Treasure hunter-maybe $300, unopened
6.3 Skulls of the Toltecs-$200 maybe
7.Celtica $180-200 maybe
8.Master of Dimensions-I would say $100
9.Hamlet a Murder Mystery-$100
10.Puppet Motel-$100
Of course this is just my opinion. And of course prices go up and go down.
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 10:42pm |
jaapIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Nice topic!
I recall that stagefright (Phantasmagoria I+II) once made it to $150.
Another example of people who pay (too) much, is for example syberia. In most gamestores (in The Netherlands) you should be able to get it for around $20, however some stores still sell it for $50 or more. (I realize this is no ebay, but it's not purely offtopic )
By listing the highest prices rare adveture games ever got, is nice for the trivia and prooves that some people are defenitively mad.
However,
I think this thread might become somehow usefull (started by coreoverload) when we try to make a list of reasonable prices for rare adventures. I realize this is very subjective, but it might come in handy as some kind of a guideline. (these prices are aimed for opened/played boxed copies)
>$300 Alice interactive Museum
$150 Duckman (English version)
>$300 Vampire Diaries
$150 Orion Burger-probably
$300 Treasure hunter (unopened)
$200 3 Skulls of the Toltecs
$180 Celtica
$100 Master of Dimensions
$100 Hamlet a Murder Mystery
$100 Puppet Motel
$70 Roberta Williams Anthology
$50 King's Quest Collection
$50 Space Quest Collection
$50 Quest for Glory Anthology
$50 Leisure Suit Larry Collection
$30 Monkey Island Collection
$50 Loom (CD)
$80 Touche: The Adventures of the Fifth Musketeer
? Dinotopia
$30 Jack the Ripper
$70 The Gene Machine
? Night Trap
? Case Of The Cautious Condor
? Cassandra Galleries
$50 Alien Incident
? Eve Burst Error
? Hard Evidence: The Marilyn Monroe Files
$20 U.F.O.'s
? Blue Heat: The Case of the Cover Girl Murders
? Monet and the Mistery of the Orangerie Museum
? OPSYS
? Opera Fatal
>$300 Nippon Safes Inc.
>$300 Igor: Objective Uikokahonia
$ 150 The Big Red Adventure
?Maupiti Island
$40 Stagefright (Phantasmagoria I+II)
$100 Secret Mission
$50 Chewy Esc from F5
$50 Lost files of Sherlock holmes - Rose Tattoo
$50 The Muppets Inside
$70 The neverhood
$40 Queen the eye
Keep in mind that also here applies that this is just my opinion and that prices are not fixed.
It's remarkable that The Neverhood isn't rare at all, there are allways about 10? copies offered at ebay. However, since so many people want it, the prices is "too high". A game like "Nippon Safes Inc.", would only appeal a small fraction of the amount of people who are interested in the neverhood, however they will be prepared to pay ten times as much.
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