| 18 NOV 2003 at 3:17pm |
DJ SouzaJourneyman
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Evol (18 NOV 2003 2:41pm)
On-line games encourage people to do both their game playing *and* their socialising through an artificial, controlled, unhealthy environment. These forums are artificial and controlled as well. And so are chatrooms, ICQ, Instant Messenger and even celular phones.
It is too late to complain now.
All the humanity is dooooommed... :
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| 18 NOV 2003 at 3:21pm |
DJ SouzaJourneyman
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Joined: 19 OCT 2002
Status : Online | But I don actually think online gaming is unhealthy.
I live in Brazil, how else could I play adventures online with people from USA, Canada, Mexico, Germany, etc?
I dont even know a single person in my own city that wants to play adventure games with me :'(
So I think online playing is pretty cool!
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| 18 NOV 2003 at 3:30pm |
KsandraSchattenjger
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Joined: 2 APR 2003
Status : Online | I don't like playing online myself but I know plenty of people who do, and none of them have turned into Everquest-zombies like you hear about on the news. Yes, online games can be addictive, but so can almost anything if you do it enough (I remember all the times I've sat up half the night playing adventure games )It's fine as long as you don't let it take over your whole life.
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| 18 NOV 2003 at 5:48pm |
GreatPumpkinSpace Cadet
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Joined: 19 OCT 2003
Status : Online | Uru is evil, but not in the way you suspect. 14 cents from every purchase goes to the Cyan Kick-A-Puppy Fund. This money is used to force young Malaysian children to work in inhumane sweatshops kicking hundreds of puppys a day for just a few measly pennys. Their celebrity spokesperson is Kathy Lee Gifford, and they have corporate sponsorship from Nike. It's all in the fine print on the back of the jewell case.
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| 18 NOV 2003 at 11:48pm |
GayleSchattenjger
Posts : 2544
Joined: 12 OCT 2002
Status : Online | I just finished URU last night. I liked it very much. Except for a few puzzles I had a much easier time than I usually do with Myst games.
There is a linking page to what is called the Hint Room. Beautiful room with a spiral staircase. However, barriers are up at the top of the stairs and I think that you would have to play online to pass by the barriers, at least IMHO. I also had linking pages to these balconies I could not get off from and could see a town or such below. I take it that this is for online too. I hate being baited like that, same thing Syberia did in not getting to the woolly beasts and the lost tribe.
I thought I would try playing online and now have decided against it. Several reasons: time, money and since I have never played online :-/
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| 19 NOV 2003 at 12:13am |
| Deleted User | LOL! I don't think the game is that evil...
But I see the point. I'm wary of online games too. But I think this game is a good thing coming along. First of all it is an online world free of violence, unlike the various MMORPG's where people are killing NPC's and each other to become more and more powerful. Here it is all about exploration and friendly interaction with other players. Secondly, the prospect of multi-player puzzles is very interesting. It's a lot of fun to play traditional adventure games with your friends, helping out to find solutions to different problems. Now you can actually all play the game at the same time, and collaborate to progress in it. You get a kick out of solving a puzzle that have stumped your buddies and you will often be relieved to get help from a friend when you got stuck. All the pleasures of teamwork in an adventure game!
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| 19 NOV 2003 at 12:50am |
NeoleSpace Cadet
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Joined: 1 FEB 2003
Status : Online | Originally Posted By Gayle (18 NOV 2003 11:48pm)
I just finished URU last night. I liked it very much. Except for a few puzzles I had a much easier time than I usually do with Myst games.
Did you finish it with help or without? If without however did you do it so fast??
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| 19 NOV 2003 at 1:09am |
GayleSchattenjger
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Status : Online | With help. There wasn't any help here that I could see in hints, so used both the official site and gamefaqs forums.
I played, and played and played. There is a lot of back and forth. The world of trees was the stumbling block for me. I had saved that for last and put a lot of time into it. The puzzles are not that hard, really except the tree world, that was a nightmare and Yes I did go to the forums. If I need help then I need help.
I usually become very frustrated in Myst and Schizm type games and have a lot of trouble finishing them. This was a good balance, a little of adventure, a little of puzzle but as I wrote before, being somewhere in the game and finding out that you aren't allowed to go further is not very funny IMHO :-/.
Really love the music too.
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| 19 NOV 2003 at 2:08am |
DJ SouzaJourneyman
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Gayle (19 NOV 2003 1:09am)
... being somewhere in the game and finding out that you aren't allowed to go further is not very funny IMHO :-/. YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!!!
...unless you pay, of course!
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| 19 NOV 2003 at 3:02am |
GayleSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Well said
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| 19 NOV 2003 at 3:53am |
gatorlawSorcerer Apprentice
Posts : 377
Joined: 10 OCT 2002
Status : Offline | You forgot to hold it up to a mirror.
It doesn't read URU , evil
It's URU live
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| 19 NOV 2003 at 3:58am |
GayleSchattenjger
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Joined: 12 OCT 2002
Status : Online | Another good one
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| 19 NOV 2003 at 11:53am |
Jeroen StoutSchattenjger
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Joined: 14 NOV 2003
Status : Online | Originally Posted By Gayle (18 NOV 2003 11:48pm)
I just finished URU last night. I liked it very much. Except for a few puzzles I had a much easier time than I usually do with Myst games.
Finished allready? Most be totally easy!
Originally Posted By gatorlaw (19 NOV 2003 3:53am)
You forgot to hold it up to a mirror.
It doesn't read URU , evil
It's URU live
Very good one , if we need a plot for a thriller of that the game industry wants to make evil people out of us by forcing upon us the reversed words! Think about it: Uru live, evil Uru, Uru has lots of good moods, which revesed is doom... scary
But to stay on some topic (:) I think that it might be cool to play an adventure game online, allthough it's much more roleplaying then.
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| 19 NOV 2003 at 2:40pm |
EvolIntergalactic Janitor
Posts : 38
Joined: 12 OCT 2003
Status : Online | Wow, at thirty I must be getting old - like Grandpa Simpson pointing his finger and crying 'Evil, I tells you..... EVIL'....
Look, obviously I don't mean it's EVIL literally (here in Australia 'evil' is used colloquially with a weaker, lighter connotation).
But I'm making a serious point - consider this. It has been pointed out that one of the real purposes behind the tv show 'Australian Idol' (a localised carbon copy of 'American Idol'), and one of the main reasons both our local telecom corporations were its sponsors and main advertisers, is this: What the show aimed to do, through encouragement of SMS voting, was to get people *introduced* and *familiar* with the technology.
It should be obvious that the desired 'paradigm' is 'pay as you go' - it applies to telephones, it applies equally to the on-line push. Money on tap - obvious, really.
So what I'm suggesting is that perhaps we think about the *motive* behind URU's design.
Is it a game philosphy based on creating what would be enjoyed the most?
Or is it a way of getting traditional stand-alone game users (adventure players) *introduced to the technology* and the 'paradigm' of on-line paying.
It's not the end of the world. Cyan/Rand/whatever they're called Corporation isn't Satan.
But neither is this kind of issue something to be completely, unthinkingly, dismissed......
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| 19 NOV 2003 at 4:59pm |
DJ SouzaJourneyman
Posts : 1452
Joined: 19 OCT 2002
Status : Online | After paying for the game once and playing it alone at home, I keep wondering what is the reason to keep on paying just to play online with some friends.
Of course it is fun to play online with friends, but is SO much fun that I will be willing to pay extra bucks for it? Is it SO revolutionary in terms of gameplay?
I am not convinced of that...yet.
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 2:18am |
mszvPrivate Detective
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Joined: 12 OCT 2002
Status : Online | Hi all,
Originally, Uru was going to be a standalone game. Then, in May, there was an announcement that a solo player off line game would be released, as well as an online option. I don't know the reason for that decision - whether it was something they always wanted to do, and finally got to do it - I just don't know. We were never told the reason for publishing an offline game. Personally, I think it's a good idea. There are many fans of the Myst series games who either cannot or do not want to play an online game. There are also people who might change their minds, once they experience online play.
When you buy Uru, you get a whole big beautiful game, with a number of big ages, the backstory about the D'ni civilization, and a game story that comes to a in-game conclusion. While I don't think the game is perfect, and I have some problems with the story, I don't think you will feel cheated. It's a whole big game. You can play solo player Uru and have a good game experience.
On the online part - There are two reasons for doing it. The first reason is the playing together with your friends part. Thats pretty nifty. If you are online, even if you are in a "private age" (a age that is yours alone to play, all players get them), you can invite people into your private ages to help you. You can also meet people in the bigger, shared multiplayer ages.
The second reason is the continually updated content. What I've heard is that there will be minor additions and changes in the ages every couple of days, and a new age every one or two months (sometime I hear every month, sometimes every two months). That's a big deal to people who are fans of the world.
Regards, mszv
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 3:36am |
AkhillesPrivate Detective
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Joined: 21 JUL 2003
Location: US
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Gayle (18 NOV 2003 11:48pm)
I just finished URU last night. I liked it very much. Except for a few puzzles I had a much easier time than I usually do with Myst games.
There is a linking page to what is called the Hint Room. Beautiful room with a spiral staircase. However, barriers are up at the top of the stairs and I think that you would have to play online to pass by the barriers, at least IMHO. I also had linking pages to these balconies I could not get off from and could see a town or such below. I take it that this is for online too. I hate being baited like that, same thing Syberia did in not getting to the woolly beasts and the lost tribe.
I thought I would try playing online and now have decided against it. Several reasons: time, money and since I have never played online :-/
I don't know whether I admire you... or HATE YOU!! *sigh* Uru is eating my lunch. I was SOOO thrilled to get through the first couple of puzzles... to only get to one that makes absolutely no bloody sense. No discernable pattern whatsoever.
I won't say where, I want no help. I will NOT look for help this time. I won't cheat this time. I will finish this bloody game myself if it takes until Cyan puts out the next game.
Grats to you Gayle, you are a better Adventurer than I.
You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door. There is a small mailbox here.
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 8:26am |
Jeroen StoutSchattenjger
Posts : 2798
Joined: 14 NOV 2003
Status : Online | Originally Posted By Evol (19 NOV 2003 2:40pm)
It's not the end of the world. Cyan/Rand/whatever they're called Corporation isn't Satan. Yet you got to admit that Cyan is pronounced very similar as Satan! Muhahaha
Ah well, it might all fall together on the part of the online play, but they got RPG for that reason! One of the things that I liked most about Myst is that there arn't any stupid players around who arn't into the story, but only real characters. It might be cool, but I wonder if Cyan can come up with enough puzzles or that it'll become one big chatroom.
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 9:29am |
GreatPumpkinSpace Cadet
Posts : 162
Joined: 19 OCT 2003
Status : Online | Originally Posted By Akhilles (20 NOV 2003 3:36am)
I won't say where, I want no help. I will NOT look for help this time. I won't cheat this time. I will finish this bloody game myself if it takes until Cyan puts out the next game.
If you are stuck on Kadish, rest assured it is some sort of sick joke perpetrated on an unsuspecting public by Cyan. The puzzles make no sense, the "clues" are pretty much useless, even in retrospect, and you get absolutely no feedback on puzzles that really need some sort of sound or something to clue you in. And to top it all off, after you lose hours of your life you will never get back on the "puzzles" in this level, you get to spend another half hour or so cursing the horrible controls as you try to jump to the top of a stack of crates. >
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 11:25am |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Location: AU
Status : Offline | I know I would still buy this game even if you all said it was horrible. I've been waiting for it ever since I heard about it.
So is it better than Exile? Bet it's not as lovely as Riven though, is it?
I can't play online, I only have a modem but I'd like to upgrade my connection - maybe I will.
Question to Evol.
I'm in Adelaide and I've been told that Uru isn't out until 27 Nov. How come you've got it already? How much did you pay and what state are you in? It's going to cost me $82.
Now, playing with buddies - it's 1st person is it? So how do you 'see' them? Not much good for me I suppose, considering that all my internet friends are in America and asleep when I'm awake etc.
But the regular modifications to the worlds sounds like fun. How do you have to pay CYAN?
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 11:26am |
EvolIntergalactic Janitor
Posts : 38
Joined: 12 OCT 2003
Status : Online | Face it. It's all about the on-line component. They want money, and lots of it. Look at this, from some weirdo psychic website
(http://www.internetezy.com.au/~mj129/strangephenomenonj.html):
"The ancient civilisations of Mexico and Peru also possessed knowledge of the great land (Australia) which they called Uru, meaning "Land of Gold."
See! GOLD.
And these guys are gonna get it....from you!! HAH, SUCKERS!!!!
Well, think I might go off and burst into some cafe, to rant loudly about socialism with drool coming out of my mouth.
goodbye.
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 11:31am |
EvolIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Caroline (20 NOV 2003 11:24am)
Question to Evol.
I'm in Adelaide and I've been told that Uru isn't out until 27 Nov. How come you've got it already? How much did you pay and what state are you in? It's going to cost me $82.
Oh - before I head off to aforementioned cafe (like somewhere on Rundle street - Alfresco's, Cibo, Scuzzi) Caroline - I'm in Adelaide too!!
Unless you meant my mental state, in which case, see my prior post.
I haven't actually got the game at all. And I'm actually not really insane either - which is why I won't get the game, as it will probably drive me mad!!
Where do you buy your games from? Software Supermarket?
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| 20 NOV 2003 at 9:49pm |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Joined: 28 JAN 2007
Location: AU
Status : Offline | Jeepers Evol!
You are the ONLY OTHER PERSON IN ADELAIDE I've encountered who plays computer games. Good to meet you.
No I usually get mine from BerlinWall on King William St or in the Electronics Boutique in Marion Shopping Centre. I've heard the supermarket advertising but haven't bothered looking for them. Are they cheaper/ better / bigger?
I hate the idea of being excluded from parts of the game but I was such a big fan of Riven I really just want a similar experience. Wandering round Riven for the first few weeks wondering how the hell to get to the other islands was such fun. (I'm way too slow to finish any game as fast as Gayle).
What sort of games do you usually play and which are your favourites. Have you played Obsidian? I love puzzle games over any other. I'm currently wandering the staircases in RHEM.
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| 21 NOV 2003 at 2:21am |
mszvPrivate Detective
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Joined: 12 OCT 2002
Status : Online | Well, since I answer questions on Uru (just feel obligated I guess) I'll respond on the beauty part.
Uru is the most beautiful game I have ever played, and I'm really into the beautiful game worlds thing. I haven't gotten Schizm2 yet (not out) which also looks beautiful, so I can't compare it with that. I have played Riven. Riven was beautiful, but Uru is even more beautiful. For a 3D game, where nothing is prerendered, there is a lot of detail. There's also a lot to see - the ages are big. It does help to have a reasonably decent graphics card. The higher you can set the game setting, the better. I was in the beta since January, when we just saw pieces of the world. There are some things I don't like, about the game, but I never tired of how it looked. The ages are good to wander around in, if you are into that.
On the online and money part. From what I read, Cyan is into the never ending world thing, the world of the D'ni. I think that makes sense - they really never were about game endings. They had not planned to make a stand alone game. I'm glad they did make a stand alone game - that way everyone who wants to play it (who has the system specs) can do it.
Regards, mszv
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