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| 19 AUG 2003 at 10:02pm |
| Deleted User | So that's why we get told to turn off our cell phones before the movie starts!
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| 19 AUG 2003 at 10:09pm |
AnneGuild Master
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Status : Online | Nothing to do with wrong cast in wrong story ,poor directors feeding egos,Hollywood money machine.It must be written in the stars.Mars in the ascendent.
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| 19 AUG 2003 at 10:25pm |
| Deleted User | Are the teens the scapegoat again? :
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| 19 AUG 2003 at 10:32pm |
AnneGuild Master
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Status : Online | Let`s blame Michael Douglas and C Zeta Jones who used to be a pretty welsh girl until she went up the mountain.
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| 19 AUG 2003 at 10:36pm |
The Terror of the Wolf part 3Schattenjger
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Status : Online | Well, Hulk flopped because they forgot to give it a plotline that was even vaguely interesting. Charlie's Angels 2 flopped because it was two hours of fan service and nothing else. T3.. didn't flop, but really only appealed to a niche market (ie, fans of the origional two) so it was bound to have a lower turnout. Matrix 2 flopped because they couldn't be bothered editing it together with Matrix 3, and so we were left with effectively half a movie, so your average moviegoer is bound to be unhappy. Gigli flopped because it.... just flat-out sucks.
The funniest line? The fifth paragraph on that article says quite frankly (and I'm paraphrasing here), "People are now telling each other that movies are crap a lot quicker". It's not their fault for making crap movies, it's our fault for texting people to tell them it's crap!
Now, how about we all invade Hollywood, and start making something they've never seen before - GOOD movies!!
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| 19 AUG 2003 at 11:21pm |
WimliGuild Master
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Status : Offline | . "You could buy your gross for the weekend and overcome bad word of mouth, because it took time to filter out into the general audience."
But those days are over, because the technology of hand-held text-message devices has drastically cut down the time it takes for movie-goers to tell their friends that a heavily promoted summer action movie is a waste of time and money.
Hear, hear for text messaging!
Maybe Hollywood will now finally be forced to put more effort in their blockbusters and raise the quality of those flicks. Then again, that's probably wishful thinking. :
It's nice to see though that blockbusters that are actually rather good (from what i've heard at least), hit it big time, although their opening was not as big as that of the really hyped ones. A good example is Pirates of the Caribbean (46 million $ opening weekend, 250 million $ total gross) vs Matrix Reloaded (91 million $ opening weekend, 280 million $ total gross). It's nice to see those expensive marketing campaigns unravel under the general opinion of youngsters.
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| 19 AUG 2003 at 11:46pm |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Status : Offline | So what's the answer? Fewer and better movies perhaps? Don't hold your breath. Even the bad movies will recoup their outlay, just avoid making mega millions.
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| 20 AUG 2003 at 12:06am |
dimidimidimiSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Wolfboy (19 AUG 2003 10:36pm)
Well, Hulk flopped because they forgot to give it a plotline that was even vaguely interesting. Charlie's Angels 2 flopped because it was two hours of fan service and nothing else. T3.. didn't flop, but really only appealed to a niche market (ie, fans of the origional two) so it was bound to have a lower turnout. Matrix 2 flopped because they couldn't be bothered editing it together with Matrix 3, and so we were left with effectively half a movie, so your average moviegoer is bound to be unhappy. Gigli flopped because it.... just flat-out sucks.
I'm not sure that Matrix 2 flopped, I think I've read a couple of times that it was a financial success. As for the other movies... The Hulk, well that movie had already failed from its trailer with its ridiculous CGI graphics. Charlie's angels....how couldn't it flop? 3 girls kicking ass in matrix style and making BAD humour? Did anybody in here watch this movie?
And I wanted to add 2 things... summer is not really the best time to be releasing movies. I was especially surprised seeing that T3 was going to be out during the summer. And one more difference there is between now and some years ago is P2P networks.
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| 20 AUG 2003 at 12:30am |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By dimidimidimi (20 AUG 2003 12:06am)
And I wanted to add 2 things... summer is not really the best time to be releasing movies.
??? More people goes to theaters in summer. It happens here and I'm pretty sure is the same case in the US. Keep in mind the holidays.
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| 20 AUG 2003 at 1:28am |
WimliGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By dimidimidimi (20 AUG 2003 12:06am)
I'm not sure that Matrix 2 flopped, I think I've read a couple of times that it was a financial success.
Yes, Matrix can be considered a financial succes, but it's not a secret that it underperformed to what WB was expecting it to do. Here's a chart:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2003&p=.htm
It's currently at number 2, but will probably loose that place to other films still on release or being released later this year. But compared to other blockbusters, I wouldn't consider The Hulk or Carlie's Angels 2 flops. They still made their budget back (sometimes they needed foreign gross to do so). Apparently audiences knew from the beginning to stay clear of drab like The Core and DreamCatcher which barely made more than 30 million $ (with budgets over60 million $).
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| 20 AUG 2003 at 1:58am |
The Terror of the Wolf part 3Schattenjger
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Status : Online | I fully expect Return Of The King to completely dominate cinema during late this year and most of the first half of next year.
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| 20 AUG 2003 at 7:42am |
KsandraSchattenjger
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Status : Online | It doesn't seem to have occured to them that it could also happen the other way round - if a movie turns out to be much better than expected, the word will spread more quickly.
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| 20 AUG 2003 at 7:58am |
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Agustin (20 AUG 2003 12:29am)
??? More people goes to theaters in summer. It happens here and I'm pretty sure is the same case in the US. Keep in mind the holidays.
For Europe it is the worst time for movies. We melt because of the heat and we simply don't want to get locked in a room with 200 other people...
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| 20 AUG 2003 at 10:15am |
WimliGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Wolfboy (20 AUG 2003 1:57am)
I fully expect Return Of The King to completely dominate cinema during late this year and most of the first half of next year.
Yeah, you're probably right, especially when his biggest competitor for the top spot at the box office, that little wizard boy, will not make an appearance at the end of this year, but only a few months later. And I'm sure that The Matrix Revolutions will not do that well, now that so many have been disappointed with Matrix Reloaded.
@Godfather: here in Belgium it's the perfect time for the theater with this heat. Theaters here must have some of the best airco around. It's always cool there.
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| 20 AUG 2003 at 10:44am |
KatewalkerfanSpace Cadet
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Status : Online | I had read that Sinbad is having a better box office success in Europe than in USA.
Some of the latest animated movie flops was Final Fantasy, Atlantis and Treasure Planet.
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| 20 AUG 2003 at 11:32am |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Wimli (20 AUG 2003 10:15am)
@Godfather: here in Belgium it's the perfect time for the theater with this heat. Theaters here must have some of the best airco around. It's always cool there.
Yeah, we have these too but noone wants to stay inside a movie theatre while he can be in the SSEEEEEEEEAAAAAAA
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| 20 AUG 2003 at 3:02pm |
WimliGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Godfather (20 AUG 2003 11:32am)
Yeah, we have these too but noone wants to stay inside a movie theatre while he can be in the SSEEEEEEEEAAAAAAA
Another advantage the theaters have over here: our sea is very polluted. I wonder if they had anything to do with that.
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| 20 AUG 2003 at 3:09pm |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Wimli (20 AUG 2003 3:02pm)
Another advantage the theaters have over here: our sea is very polluted. I wonder if they had anything to do with that.
he he he good one
seriously now, I don't enjoy movies during summer. We have summer movie theatre with no roof and walls, do you have such a thing?
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| 23 AUG 2003 at 3:15pm |
WimliGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Godfather (20 AUG 2003 3:08pm)
seriously now, I don't enjoy movies during summer. We have summer movie theatre with no roof and walls, do you have such a thing?
Yeah we do, but not really on a commercial basis (the weather here in Belgium wouldn't allow it to make any profit). The large screens are put up for just a few showings (and mostly free at that). The drawback is that you don't have a choice between movies and in most cases they don't show any new movies. But it's still great fun to watch a movie on a large screen outdoors.
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| 24 AUG 2003 at 2:32am |
| Deleted User | Well, movies flop because most of them are bad movies.
Movies were always bad, most of them were, at least. Try watching any of the movies they show on tv as repeats and they are mostly all bad movies.
It was all a trick to take your money in the first place at the theatre.. Now it is a matter of tricking you into buying overpriced soda water and popcorn for a bad movie to boot.
The theatres don’t even start the shows on time anymore and inflict 20 minutes worth of Honda or Levis or Coke ads. Then there are 8 minutes of trailers of future bad movies one can sit through.
I don’t even bother going to the theatre anymore.
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| 24 AUG 2003 at 6:52am |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Status : Offline | We used to have drive-in movie theatres where you'd park your car next to a pole with a loudspeaker on it. The speaker would hook over your window, or you could connect to your aerial and tune the radio for the sound. The screen was HUGE. There was a big kiosk selling hot food as well as the usual ice creams and chocolates and always a small swing park for the kiddies at the rear. Families would bring their toddlers in their pyjamas and kids would run everywhere barefoot. It was great. In winter we'd bring our tea on trays with a blanket and watch two movies for the price of one. They're gone now. New houses have been built on them and the existing cinemas are all converted into smaller rooms. We have only one remaining original cinema with the red velvet and brass rails and the organ in the floor. It's lovely. I hope it continues on.
In summer they show 'art house' movies on an outdoor screen set up in the Botanic Gardens in town - for a fee. I usually have to wait to see movies on video as with little kids, you have to find a babysitter. The Two Towers comes out on Tuesday here.
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| 24 AUG 2003 at 9:37am |
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Status : Offline | Ahh yes , the good ol' drive-in days !! How I miss them !! Boy , I haven't thought about a drive-in for years , what fond memories I have of them ! Cheers !
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| 24 AUG 2003 at 11:18am |
| Deleted User | Drive-in movies have never existed in Sweden. I've sometimes wondered why, but the answer is probably that our society works a little different than America's. It used to be one of the few good places where kids could go out on dates and get away from their parents. Over here, you can't drive on your own before you're 18 anyway. The weather is probably also a factor. There are no Swedish college films either, as it doesn't have the same cultural significance for people here to be in college.
As an interesting side-note, here in Sweden the major cinema companies makes more money on popcorn than on the movies themselves! The movies are so expensive to get that the tickets alone doesn't give them much profit.
As for movies, I think we need less SFX movies, milking out our money. Too many movies today are simply built around stunts and CGI, and forgets to put a decent story in it. Movie companies shouldn't insult the intelligence of the audience. Sooner or later it's going to backfire on them ('a la Matrix Reloaded).
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| 24 AUG 2003 at 11:40am |
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Status : Online | i hope that article is correct. why should everyone have to see for themselves that a movie sucks? passing the word quickly will stop the quick moneymaking prior to word of mouth panning, and maybe encourage hollywood to stop making so much expensive sludge.
that said...i kinda liked Charlies Angels...was lots of fun, at least until Drew got mopey and then it lost my interest. Fun beginning though.
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