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| 11 AUG 2003 at 10:27pm | |
| Deleted User | Anne, Of course, I understand and took no offense at all. I know as an educator you want the best for kids. |
| 11 AUG 2003 at 10:28pm | |
CarolineJA+ Overseer  Posts : 16540 Joined: 28 JAN 2007 Location: AU Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MichalN (11 AUG 2003 2:58pm) How sad that you see your own experience as the only valid life. I never saw drugs, was never offered drugs and didn't mix with girls who did drugs. I grew up in Liverpool in the 70s. I had a full and happy social life. I never felt I needed to be 'off my face'. Frankly, it's dangerous for a young woman to be so vulnerable in public. Not only that, I didn't want to risk becoming a drug addict. Being a non-smoker naturally smoking pot is an abhorrent idea. Sorry MichalN but it IS possible to grow up without drugs. Yes they are everywhere but you have to go looking for them. Not one of my friends smokes tobacco or gets falling down drunk in company. My kids will grow up in an active environment (Aussies just live for sport) without drugs. I will make sure they are happy enough not to seek an escape and as for common sense. There are lots of public anti drug and anti-drink messages on tv and in the schools. They start with the education against these substances in junior school. If they are caught smoking in school it is instant expulsion, no mercy. It's like raising your kids in a religion. You have to brainwash them early, then if the school and their fellow pupils all follow the same rules, you get them to adulthood and their own good sense kicks in. My kids won't be ignored and left to their own devices, bringing themselves up, hanging around shopping malls with nothing to do. Originally Posted By MichalN (11 AUG 2003 2:58pm) You bet your life it's a black and white issue. rugs are NOT a natural part of growing up. They are manufactured in people's garages without proper health guards. some of these invitingly called tablets murder their customers. That's supposed to be something a kid can make a sensible judgement on? Get real. When you take a headache pill you can see the ingredients on the label. What's in the drugs they sell in discos? Well, I've read the forensic tests and believe me it's NOT HEALTHY. Life is a GIFT, not to be treated casually, or risked for an evening's buzz. The trick is to make your kids self confident enough to say NO. I was on a french exchange holiday and all the french kids smoked Gitanes. Pity help their lungs now. They all offered me one at a picnic and smiled when I kept saying no. But my friend who was there accepted one, apologising to me for her weakness (that dumbfounded me!) and the entire table erupted in mocking laughter at her vulnerablility. She knew she was only doing it to 'fit in'. Whereas 'fitting in' never ever bothered me. I can sit in a pub with orange juice - nowadays I usually have spring water. I don't need to be drunk to have a good time. Being drunk actually means you have poisoned your body. The body regards alcohol as a poison and mobilises against it. I enjoy a glass of wine. I don't like being dizzy or drunk. Moderation is not a dirty word. It means I don't get sick or have the headaches or hangovers. frankly, I'm a grown up. |
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 10:40pm | |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor  Posts : 7058 Joined: 14 SEP 2003 Status : Online | Originally Posted By Caroline (11 AUG 2003 10:28pm) Did I say it wasn't? Caroline, I grew up without drugs too. First time I tried pot I was about 25. You seem to be willing to make all sorts of judgements about me without knowing the facts... I find that troubling. You bet your life it's a black and white issue. rugs are NOT a natural part of growing up. They are manufactured in people's garages without proper health guards. Did you ever ask yourself why? And if it might not be better to have them manufactured under supervision and put proper warning labels on them? Do you think it's better to sell alcohol in stores and get tax income from it or let people distil it themselves and go blind because of methylalcohol poisoning? I don't need to be drunk to have a good time. Oh, being sober and watching drunk people can be quite a bit of fun. I know that because I've done it plenty of times. You seem to think that I'm some sort of drug addict and alcoholic. Why? Moderation is not a dirty word. It is certainly not. I like to drink in moderation I forgot my sig. |
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 10:53pm | |
CarolineJA+ OverseerPosts : 16540 Joined: 28 JAN 2007 Location: AU Status : Offline | MichalN You have made me laugh. Remind me NEVER to play poker with you. I'll bet you are the master of the innocent stare. How much trouble do you cause and then stand back saying 'who me?' No I don't think of you as a drug addict or alcoholic. You wouldn't be capable of such reasoned arguments if you were. But when such inflamatory statements are put out there, on a public forum, I cannot let untruths stand uncontested. You have over the past couple of days advocated drugs and drunkeness as perfectly acceptable and enjoyable forms of self-entertainment. Such a stance cannot be allowed to stand as if it is the only truth. It is not. As for enjoying myself watching others get drunk. No, not my scene. I don't actually hang out with people who can't control themselves. I suppose we will just have to accept that I had a gentler upbringing than you where such ugliness wasn't part of my life. Substance abuse is a quicksand to which my children can read the signposts. We talk about everything with them often. They are curious about life and there are no 'off limits' topics of conversation. I intend to show them the safe way to navigate through the teenage jungle. It is very likely that life in quiet little Adelaide is very different to wherever it is you live. Hell, Adelaide is very different to Melbourne or Sydney even. So don't worry about me making judgement about you. It is your words that I respond to. |
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 11:13pm | |
MichalNGrand InquisitorPosts : 7058 Joined: 14 SEP 2003 Status : Online | Originally Posted By Caroline (11 AUG 2003 10:53pm) I usually don't cause much trouble at all! And I don't play poker much... maybe I should? No I don't think of you as a drug addict or alcoholic. You wouldn't be capable of such reasoned arguments if you were. That's good to hear You have over the past couple of days advocated drugs and drunkeness as perfectly acceptable and enjoyable forms of self-entertainment. Such a stance cannot be allowed to stand as if it is the only truth. It is not. I never said it was the only one! It's just one of many... and in fact I never said people should get drunk and/or drugged at every available opportunity. Just that when done relatively rarely and in a sensible fashion, it's not such a bad thing. So don't worry about me making judgement about you. It is your words that I respond to. I'm okay with that! I forgot my sig. |
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| 12 AUG 2003 at 1:31am | |
STooGE4444, EastCoastDoom...Schattenjger  Posts : 2099 Joined: 15 OCT 2002 Status : Online | Originally Posted By Caroline (11 AUG 2003 10:28pm) Not true Caroline (although I'm still with you on this)....the following is completely and wholesomely true..... One day last year, a ounce of weed just majikally appeared in my gym bag.....I was like, "what the fuck?" Originally Posted By MichalN (11 AUG 2003 10:40pm) Yes, for only a couple times....then it gets old really, really fast like a piece-of-crap comedy..... ~rbeeler SVT &&Name's STooGE$$$$ Valpurgius TNT; it's not PLURAL&&[img]http://www.riseaboverecords.com/sleep/image/sleepfront.gif[/img]&&151.Generally speaking Sludge Doomsters are Angry, Gothic doomsters are sad, funeral doomsters are barely breathing, death doomsters are dirty, drunk and dribbling, Stoner Doomsters don't care, drone doomsters are out of it and traditional Doomsters are permanently pissed off, mainly with other doomsters |
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| 12 AUG 2003 at 10:59am | |
| Deleted User | In the past (late 70ies and 80ies) I was allways very anti-drugs. Yes, yes Sir funkenstein was an anti-drugs dude. Sometimes, I did drink more then wisely. Now, looking back, perhaps I should've drinked less and smoked a few joints. What was I saying, oh yeah eh.... I nearly forgot, .... I think having a joint once in a while with the right people (that's very important, because wrong people can get you in wrong places) is not a big deal. It's even better then having too much to drink. Don't tell me that both is not good for my health or, for that matter, anybodies health, I've always knew that. (BTW I did have smoked a joint once: I was in a club and I already had a few drinks, and a joint was passed around. I thought to myself; 'OK Funk, just this once' and I took a few, very strong, pulls. At first nothing happened. But after a wile (few minutes) my body began to twinkel, so I sat down. And then I closed my eyes for a sec and when I opened them, the club was bright with lights, all people were gone and only a few cleaners were cleaning up the club. I was 'out' for 3 hours or more. A once in a lifetime experience) There is something else that bothers me more: XTC! That's completely dangerous to use. One pill can kill. You. You don't know what's in it. XTC should be called a hard drug and beyond every tolerance line. Bye |
| 12 AUG 2003 at 11:09am | |
AnneGuild Master  Posts : 4800 Joined: 8 MAR 2003 Status : Online | That was so honest of you.It is when you have kids you start worrying.It gets more black and white. |
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| 12 AUG 2003 at 4:54pm | |
| Deleted User | There is something else that bothers me more: XTC!One of my friend was addicted it and had an internal bleeding. Very dangerous. Makes people look crazy on the dance floor. |
| 13 AUG 2003 at 7:23pm | |
Goddess of All Things MagicalSchattenjger Posts : 1565 Joined: 27 MAY 2003 Status : Online | HI! GAMERPAL! I DOWNLOADED ABANDON LOADER AND VDMSOUND. I NEED YOUR HELP YODA! NOW WHAT? HOW DO I USE THIS STUFF? :-/ WHEN I SAW ALL OF THOSE GAMES ON ABANDON LOADER SCREEN, I WAS SO HAPPY TO SEE THOSE GAMES THAT I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO PLAY. I PUT IN MY SAM AND MAX . IT STARTED RUNNING RIGHT AWAY WITH THE ABANDONLOADER WITHOUT INSTALLING BUT-NO SOUND. I RIGHT CLICKED TO RUN WITH VDMSOUND, BUT NOTHING CHANGED. :'(I DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT TO DO WITH SOUND SETTINGS, AND IT IS A LITTLE, I MEAN ,VERY SCARY WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING! I THOUGHT VDMSOUND WOULD BE EASIER-MORE LIKE THE ABANDONLOADER SCREEN.MY SOUND CARD IS SOUNDBLASTER LIVE 5.1. RomnutPZ@aol.com &&&&Listening to XM Radio Starbucks Cafe Channel 45&&[IMG]http://img227.echo.cx/img227/8458/dancelikenooneiswatching6ld.png[/IMG] |
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| 13 AUG 2003 at 11:51pm | |
JoGuild Master Posts : 3313 Joined: 3 NOV 2002 Location: AU, Qld. Status : Offline | Daryl said I have smoked a ton of pot as a lad and there is no danger at all to other drivers. One drives so very slowly, below the speed of traffic. Just have to jump in here Daryl, sorry but I totally disagree with you, sure smoking pot when driving isn't as dangerous as drinking alchohol, however the very fact that you are driving slowly certainly does not make you a safer driver. Far from it, research here says that the main problem is that pot slows down your reactions to such an extent that you are more likely to have an accident than if you hadn't been smoking. It actually gives people a sense of false security - and that's the danger. Personally have never smoked the stuff, but don't smoke cigarettes either, used to at one time when I was in my late teens but never really cared for them that much. Used to learn singing and smoking and singing just don't go together at all so gave them up. As for drinking, well love a glass of wine with dinner and a cold beer or two when it's hot but getting drunk is another thing altogether - just not worth it and really drunk people are pretty boring company anyway. |
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| 14 AUG 2003 at 12:29am | |
MissBSchattenjger Posts : 2217 Joined: 15 OCT 2002 Status : Online | Romnut, Check your e-mail and PM... My name is Bethany and I'm the daughter of Gamergal/Michelle. |
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| 14 AUG 2003 at 3:13am | |
| Deleted User | If you want to get drunk once to see what it feels like, there is a way to do it safely. o it at home and have a good friend with you who isn't drinking, who can monitor you (and be with you when you throw up and pass out). I can understand the need to see what it feels like, and what it will do to your body. I certainly don't recommend that anyone get drunk regularly, but once won't really hurt anyone, particularly if done in the safety of your home. The same is true for smoking pot. o not, however, drive, operate any machinery, or make any major decisions while under the influence of either booze or pot. The main problem with XTC, is that you feel energized, and you dance or run, or whatever, and you don't drink any fluids and your core body temp goes up too high. You go into convulsions, because your brain functions that cool you off aren't working. It most certainly can cause death, even if it isn't cut with some other drug. And as I see it, this is the main problem with illicit drugs - you just don't know what you are getting. Once years ago, I had some pot that had been laced with PCP, and it freaked me out. Fortunately, the PCP hit me before the pot did, and I stopped smoking immediately, after only a couple of tokes. Even so, it took an hour for the weird effects to wear off. Pot is usually less likely to be cut with any other mind-altering substances than some others, but it can and does happen. Acid, mescaline, PCP, and 'shrooms shouldn't be messed with at all in my book. They can make normally sane people jump out of windows to try to escape what's going on in their heads. Uppers and downers are usually prescription drugs, so they're more likely to be purer, but still nothing to mess with, and especially not if you're drinking booze. Okay, I'll step down from my soapbox now. Just wanted to put my 2 cents worth into the mix. |
| 14 AUG 2003 at 4:16am | |
CarolineJA+ OverseerPosts : 16540 Joined: 28 JAN 2007 Location: AU Status : Offline | Using illicit drugs is playing russian roulette with your life. Couple of years ago a 30something single mother in Adelaide went out dancing with friends. Popped her first XTC pill, (curious) came home safely, felt ill and very hot, got into a cold bath. She died at home the following day. Her 11 yr old son and her friends have no answers. Sorry. I've always cherished being alive too much to risk it. I won't bungee jump, or take joyrides in helicopters or small aircraft, or do parachute jumps, etc. You have to see a dead person to fully understand the Absolute. I can wait an awful long time to die.... Thanks again Fairygodmother for your commonsense and facts. |
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| 14 AUG 2003 at 12:40pm | |
Friday the 14thSchattenjgerPosts : 2908 Joined: 5 NOV 2002 Status : Online | Sorry if I'm repeating, I wrote this before reading the whole thread. Alcohol, tobacco, drugs and that stuff, it's all poison. It's bad for your body and it reacts strangely when you take it, just like it does if you are bitten by a poisonous snake, or eat the wrong kind of muchroom. My old folks tried that revered method when I was younger. I was in fact too young to remember it. They say I liked it and asked for more, what a faliure! Now however I hate the taste of beer, same thing with wine. I've tried smoking just for the taste of it, it wasn't anything for me. I've never been drunk and I've never tried drugs and I'm fully satisfied with that. I've been to parties where everyone but me was drunk (not much of an option here). They cracked worse jokes than ever, laughed at them more than ever, talked much louder and became tired much earlier, some of them had to visit the bathroom, where they made unpleasant noises suggesting that their dinner left them the wrong way. I think I'm funny/happy enough as it is, I don't need to poison my body to let my inhibition go, because I don't have any I'd like to let go. They've kept me from doing lots of stupid things (not all though). If you put yourself in a state where you can't control yourself you are a risk to society, you might hurt someone, perhaps yourself, your wife, your children, I dunno. Even if this usually doesn't happen it does to some ppl. My dad used to work with them, one of his tasks was to keep them from killing each other (and themselves for that matter), sometimes it failed. But I don't need to tell you any more, I bet you've already heard this a thousand times, and I can't change your opinion in case you don't agree with me. Originally Posted By Daryl (11 AUG 2003 2:16am) I'm currently trying to get a drivers license, which is a lot harder and more expensive in Sweden, we have to learn a lot more than Americans so i think I can say that I know what I'm talking about. 1. Woman are better/safer drivers than men, they know their own limits better than men, drives slower and feel less need to uphold their right. 2. Smoking pot cause hallucinations, and gives you a rowdy reality image. It gives you inability to take impressions from the outside, heavy overestimation and disorientation. It makes distance estimation harder, same thing for keeping a steady speed. One hash pipe affects you this way for a weeks at least but the poison remains in your body for up to two months. The speed you drive is far from the only key factor. |
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| 14 AUG 2003 at 2:55pm | |
MichalNGrand InquisitorPosts : 7058 Joined: 14 SEP 2003 Status : Online | Originally Posted By Friday the 14th (14 AUG 2003 12:40pm) 'Scuse me, but how do you know that if you never tried it? Alcohol, tobacco, drugs and that stuff, it's all poison. It's bad for your body and it reacts strangely when you take it, just like it does if you are bitten by a poisonous snake, or eat the wrong kind of muchroom. You do realize that many medicinal drugs are poisons too, don't you? They'll kill you if you take too much. Not to mention that your body reacts strangely to them. Nobody here says that too much alcohol or drugs is good. Just that small amounts are not bad I forgot my sig. |
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| 14 AUG 2003 at 3:46pm | |
Friday the 14thSchattenjgerPosts : 2908 Joined: 5 NOV 2002 Status : Online | Originally Posted By MichalN (14 AUG 2003 2:55pm) I read it on the label. Good point though, it's probably the only reason I have for trying it. You do realize that many medicinal drugs are poisons too, don't you? They'll kill you if you take too much. Not to mention that your body reacts strangely to them. Of course. But medication often has huge side effect descriptions too. Medication is for ill ppl, it's a good option for them. Some illnesses has no other cure, and as long as the side effects don't match up to the good effect I think it's great. Many patients has become addicted that way though. I still say it's poison, but in this case it kills something that's bad for the body. Nobody here says that too much alcohol or drugs is good. Just that small amounts are not bad Too much of anything is bad, that's what too much means. I don't wanna poison my body just a little either. It's still a bad thing in my book. |
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| 14 AUG 2003 at 4:29pm | |
Baron_Von_UngernIntergalactic Janitor Posts : 41 Joined: 10 OCT 2002 Status : Online | Couple of years ago a 30something single mother in Adelaide went out dancing with friends. Popped her first XTC pill, (curious) came home safely, felt ill and very hot, got into a cold bath. She died at home the following day. Her 11 yr old son and her friends have no answers. Really sad story... but is it relevant ? This kind of example are a bit too easy, don't you think ? You can die at 2, 5, 35 or even 99 years wether or not you "took care" of your health. It's a good thing to take care of yourself but not to the point of being afraid to live ! Maybe I "don't understand the Absolute" : but as I've also seen very close friends die of natural disease, one thing is for sure, I learned that you've got to live while your alive... When your dead, it's often too late to have fun... and I don't talk about drugs or alchool) As for drugs and alchool, I take both once in a while. Is it good for me ? Probably not very good but is it very bad ? Probably not. As long as you can keep control. I have friends who drink, friends who smoke joints and friends who don't. It's fine with me. One thing I will never do is try to convince someone to drink or smoke. If you need advices as to wether or not you should, it's probably because you shouldn't try it... |
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| 14 AUG 2003 at 5:30pm | |
| Deleted User | So, Friday you don't smoke, do you? [img]http://medlem.spray.se/friday14/ja_stuff/male_noir_cow.gif[/img] How come I don't believe you? |
| 14 AUG 2003 at 5:40pm | |
| Deleted User | Tonight, at about 10 o' clock I'm going to the bar meeting 4 friends of mine. We will have a few beers, tell lousy jokes and smoke a cigar or two and go home. I will tell you that I'm going to have just a fun thursday evening. probably next weekend mrs Funk and I will have a romantic dinner at home and drink about 2 bottles of fine wine. We see no harm. Point is: Try to find your own boundaries in what you want and what you don't want. I know I'm strong enough to do that. Alcohol is a nice drug. Sometimes it really helps to releax. |
| 14 AUG 2003 at 5:50pm | |
Friday the 14thSchattenjgerPosts : 2908 Joined: 5 NOV 2002 Status : Online | @Sir Funk: That was Abbe talking. Friday smokes, but he never inhales, so there is no danger. |
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| 14 AUG 2003 at 5:56pm | |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Friday the 14th (14 AUG 2003 5:49pm) You mean ABBA But serious, Friday; Don't tell me you don't smoke and you don't drink. You're just pulling us a leg or 2. |
| 14 AUG 2003 at 5:56pm | |
MissBSchattenjgerPosts : 2217 Joined: 15 OCT 2002 Status : Online | Originally Posted By Sir Funkenstein jr. (14 AUG 2003 5:39pm) Exactly. I've been a "good girl" all my life and will continue to be. If, when I'm 65, I want to try something bad one time and one time only, what's the big deal? I'd rather die trying than wondering..... My name is Bethany and I'm the daughter of Gamergal/Michelle. |
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| 14 AUG 2003 at 6:10pm | |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By gamergal (14 AUG 2003 5:56pm) Now, what if you try it when you're 65 and like it very much!!! Knowing you should have done it when nearly everybody did it, when you were (are?) young. If you're strong enough, and I guess you are, try it now. Try a joint/spacecake or a few wines. If you're in the right surroundings (with friends, at home etc, etc.)youn might like/love it. And it won't make you a bad person, IMHO. What does a 'good girl' mean, Gamergal? May I have this dance? |
| 14 AUG 2003 at 6:28pm | |
MissBSchattenjgerPosts : 2217 Joined: 15 OCT 2002 Status : Online | I'd love to dance with you, Sir Funk, but I think you'll find I'm not funky enough, as I've never really been dancing before....For you, however, I"ll try.... *trips over feet and falls on her a$$* I have no desire to try anything illicit now. I feel the weight of my responsibilities would prevent me from enjoying it. I want to wait until I'm out from under some of the burdens in my life. They drug test us at work and I'm not about to lose my job over one joint! "Good girl" =(as defined my mother) A daughter who doesn't drink or do drugs, even occasionally. A daughter who has a respectable job. A daughter whose child doesn't walk around in the winter without shoes or get taken to the store with a Kool-Aid moustache and a dirty shirt. I could continue, but it's too depressing......that's what this topic is about....things you want to do before you die, mostly because in trying to please others, you are preventing yourself :-/ My name is Bethany and I'm the daughter of Gamergal/Michelle. |
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