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| 5 AUG 2003 at 4:00pm |
| Deleted User | Yesterday I eagerly began playing Rhem, expecting a Myst-like game. Well it is Myst-like, in that you are alone in the world, searching for the parts of a letter, but the comparison stops there. I began by looking around in the environment, from building to building and walking where I could without pressing any buttons, turning any wheels, or in any other way altering the environment, just to look around. There is one good thing here, many of the buildings have windows, so you can look out into the environment. Without this, I would be hopelessly lost in one of the buildings. The worst part for me though, is that the entire game is based on rerouting water from one place to another. Since you don't know where you will need to go, nor how you will need to get there, since there are no direct routes to anything, altering the water flow seems haphazard to me. And since you don't know which water is being raised or lowered, and you can't see the effects of opening or closing the flow, the only result you obtain is the sound of water flowing somewhere. There is also the maze aspect. No, there isn't a maze, per se, but trying to get to a building that you can look out a window and see is nearly impossible. It brings to mind an old Maine expression, "You can't get there from here." The graphics are pretty good, once the FMV at the beginning stops, that was kinda pixilated, and choppy. But the scenery is dismal. There are spiky stone walls that you can't see over, most of the time, with curving passages between them that take you everywhere but where you want to go. There were none of the beautiful scenes that you found in Myst and its sequels. The worst part for me, though, was all the plumbing - big pipes, little pipes, long pipes, short pipes, and when you get past those, there are more pipes! Yikes! I'm not a plumber! I played for nearly 5 hours, and all the puzzles I came across were water flow ones. Some were buttons you had to get the right code to, to access the area where you could turn more water flow on, ugh! If this sounds like a game you are itching to try, email me. I payed $30 US for the game, but I will take best offer for this only slightly used game, w/WT's and map.
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| 5 AUG 2003 at 7:55pm |
| Deleted User | I question it's release as a full price game... :-/
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| 5 AUG 2003 at 8:23pm |
| Deleted User | I hope I didn't mislead you. I certainly didn't finish it in 5 hours, I just gave up after 5 hours. My understanding is that it is quite a long game. It would definitely be for me, it took me an hour to just get out of one building, to go back to where I came from.
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| 5 AUG 2003 at 8:59pm |
| Deleted User | What's wrong with pipes? Myst and Riven both had puzzles involving pipes. The entire Channelwood age was an extended water routing puzzle.
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| 5 AUG 2003 at 11:46pm |
CarolineJA+ Overseer


Posts : 16540 Joined: 28 JAN 2007 Location: AU
Status : Offline | you weren't listening Fickfack.
Fairygodmother said there was no scenery except stone walls you can't see over. I'm short too. I hate that.
At least in Channelwood you had the trees. That was a fun place.
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| 5 AUG 2003 at 11:59pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By monkeybone (5 AUG 2003 7:54pm) I question it's release as a full price game... :-/
Good comment, Monkeybone. It is overpriced.
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| 6 AUG 2003 at 12:03am |
AnneGuild Master


Posts : 4800 Joined: 8 MAR 2003
Status : Online | Memmo anne.Don`t buy this one
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| 6 AUG 2003 at 12:33am |
HelenGuild Master


Posts : 3436 Joined: 12 OCT 2002 Location: US
Status : Offline | Dosent sound like one I want to play, but if I win it I'll give it a try.
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| 7 AUG 2003 at 1:45am |
mszvPrivate Detective


Posts : 751 Joined: 12 OCT 2002
Status : Online | I know people who really like it. It's not a "multiple age" game like Myst - you only go to one big place. It's a puzzle game, mostly mechanical, and the world is one big puzzle, or so people have told me. It's not a scenery game. From what I've read and what other friends have told me, the people who like it like the sparse look of the world, and all the figuring out you have to do, some of it indirectly. I think it would help to have a fondness for mechanical things, at least in games. I thought the reviews, and the screenshots, and what people said about it in the forums - all this made it clear there was no scenery.
I'm not sure if I'll get it, probably not.
I think I must not be into surprises - perhaps some of you are willing to be surprised by a game! That's a good quality - maybe I should let myself be surprised sometimes. I usually do enough research before I get a game that I know what I'm getting into. I rarely don't like a game, after I bought it.
Regards, mszv
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| 7 AUG 2003 at 11:38am |
CarolineJA+ Overseer


Posts : 16540 Joined: 28 JAN 2007 Location: AU
Status : Offline | I haven't played this game yet, but I will eventually, when a friend has finished with his copy. So I'll let you know Anne.
However, it's advertised as a myst-clone so if there's only one world and no scenery, then it hardly fits the bill does it. Has anyone told Rael about this? Perhaps we could have another category - myst clones that aren't like Myst but just use the Myst name to generate sales? Must be quite a few in that list, I'd have thought.
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| 7 AUG 2003 at 9:22pm |
colpetSchattenjger


Posts : 1630 Joined: 12 APR 2003
Status : Offline | Time for a vote for this game. I'm sorry you didn't like it, Fairygdmother. I'm not a plumber , but I thought this game was wonderful. No, it wasn't pretty, but the environment was detailed and intricate. After wandering about to and fro, the buildings and walkways became as familiar to me as an old neighborhood. The mechanical puzzles were challenging and you were often rewarded by gaining access to new areas to explore. I bought this game direct from the developer (Knut Muller) last year (back when it was on 3 CDs). This first version had a glitch, and he was quick to offer a replacement CD to all that needed one. For a one man show, he did a marvelous job. If you enjoy the first person perspective, solitary type games with challenging puzzles, you should enjoy this one.
Occasionally visiting Uru Live (KI 0063722 .&&
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| 8 AUG 2003 at 4:12am |
mszvPrivate Detective


Posts : 751 Joined: 12 OCT 2002
Status : Online | Oh good - I don't have to badly paraphrase what colpet told me. For those who want to know about Rhem, from someone who really liked it - "what colpet said"!
Regards, mszv
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| 8 AUG 2003 at 10:22pm |
adventuredogGuild Master


Posts : 3255 Joined: 14 JAN 2003
Status : Offline | I'd like to put in a few good words for RHEM. I am really enjoying playing it! I love the large "world" and the many complex yet integrated puzzles. I am tired of many of the new offerings that are introductory games. I don't think that this is a first choice game for newbies to play unless they are interested in a great challenge and willing to use a helpful walkthrough or two when stuck. There is at least one very complex map available to assist in orientation if you don't have the time or inclination to make your own.  I am using one without any guilt and with many thanks!)
I read a few reviews and tried the demo before buying it and found no surprises except that it is BETTER than I thought it would be. Sorry you don't like it Fairygdmther :'(
I have the single CD version and it runs excellently on XP. If you are not sure whether you will like the game or not try the demo. I highly recommend the game to those who like mechanical puzzles and empty world exploration.
Still adventuring after all these years!
Patiently awaiting The Last Crown: Haunting of Hallowed Isle, and Bracken Tor...
... and Asylum if it's not tooooo scary...
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| 9 AUG 2003 at 4:02am |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By adventuredog (8 AUG 2003 10:22pm) I'd like to put in a few good words for RHEM. I am really enjoying playing it! I love the large "world" and the many complex yet integrated puzzles. I am tired of many of the new offerings that are introductory games. I don't think that this is a first choice game for newbies to play unless they are interested in a great challenge and willing to use a helpful walkthrough or two when stuck. There is at least one very complex map available to assist in orientation if you don't have the time or inclination to make your own. (I am using one without any guilt and with many thanks!)
I read a few reviews and tried the demo before buying it and found no surprises except that it is BETTER than I thought it would be. Sorry you don't like it Fairygdmther :'(
I have the single CD version and it runs excellently on XP. If you are not sure whether you will like the game or not try the demo. I highly recommend the game to those who like mechanical puzzles and empty world exploration.
I do agree with you that this is not a game for newbies. And believe it or not, I was trying to use that complex map you spoke of, and in fact enlarged it and printed it off, into a very clear picture. It didn't really help me too much though, since the references to the round building, for instance, applied to at least 4 different buildings. I was never quite sure where I was, except when in the reservoir area. But actually, it was within the buildings themselves that I got the most lost. I do like empty world games, and have liked mechanical puzzles as a type, but this seemed a bit obscure for me. I kinda felt bad, as I was really psyched up to play this, and waited a week for my local EB games to ship it from another store for me. I, too have the single CD, and ran it on an XP without problems.
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| 9 AUG 2003 at 4:23am |
YapetteIntergalactic Janitor


Posts : 10 Joined: 22 OCT 2002
Status : Online | I took a chance - bought this game when it was first sold by RHEM's developer.
Hours of playing per $=excellent bargain.
Of course that's based on the fact I loved solving what I thought were very fair (meaning all the info is given within the game) puzzles.
If dreaming nights/obsessing days is a measure of a "Good Game" then RHEM qualifies.
Not for eveyone, but thankfully....for me.
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| 9 AUG 2003 at 9:13pm |
jamarchandSchattenjger


Posts : 1665 Joined: 10 OCT 2002
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Fairygdmther (5 AUG 2003 4:00pm) Yesterday I eagerly began playing Rhem, expecting a Myst-like game. Well it is Myst-like, in that you are alone in the world, searching for the parts of a letter, but the comparison stops there. I began by looking around in the environment, from building to building and walking where I could without pressing any buttons, turning any wheels, or in any other way altering the environment, just to look around. There is one good thing here, many of the buildings have windows, so you can look out into the environment. Without this, I would be hopelessly lost in one of the buildings. The worst part for me though, is that the entire game is based on rerouting water from one place to another. Since you don't know where you will need to go, nor how you will need to get there, since there are no direct routes to anything, altering the water flow seems haphazard to me. And since you don't know which water is being raised or lowered, and you can't see the effects of opening or closing the flow, the only result you obtain is the sound of water flowing somewhere. There is also the maze aspect. No, there isn't a maze, per se, but trying to get to a building that you can look out a window and see is nearly impossible. It brings to mind an old Maine expression, "You can't get there from here." The graphics are pretty good, once the FMV at the beginning stops, that was kinda pixilated, and choppy. But the scenery is dismal. There are spiky stone walls that you can't see over, most of the time, with curving passages between them that take you everywhere but where you want to go. There were none of the beautiful scenes that you found in Myst and its sequels. The worst part for me, though, was all the plumbing - big pipes, little pipes, long pipes, short pipes, and when you get past those, there are more pipes! Yikes! I'm not a plumber! I played for nearly 5 hours, and all the puzzles I came across were water flow ones. Some were buttons you had to get the right code to, to access the area where you could turn more water flow on, ugh! If this sounds like a game you are itching to try, email me. I payed $30 US for the game, but I will take best offer for this only slightly used game, w/WT's and map.
Hey Fairy! Would you like to gift me your Rhem? I'll have enormous pleasure to play it.... Please, send it to me....
&&&&[move]Actually playing SHIVERS and Rhem 2[/move]&&
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| 10 AUG 2003 at 6:04pm |
| Deleted User | Well I won't "gift" it to you, but if you would pay me something for it, we could probably make us a deal. And BTW what country are you in?
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| 10 AUG 2003 at 11:51pm |
jamarchandSchattenjger


Posts : 1665 Joined: 10 OCT 2002
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Fairygdmther (10 AUG 2003 6:04pm) Well I won't "gift" it to you, but if you would pay me something for it, we could probably make us a deal. And BTW what country are you in?
Well, I'm from Brazil. How much for the game?
&&&&[move]Actually playing SHIVERS and Rhem 2[/move]&&
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 1:31pm |
| Deleted User | see your email for my reply, okay?
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