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| 23 JUN 2003 at 10:04pm |
Friday the 14thSchattenjger
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Status : Online | You mean cheers?
I think our genre is finally rising again after the impact of cryo. The genre finally stands for quality again.
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| 23 JUN 2003 at 10:19pm |
AllanonJourneyman
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Status : Offline | I always mean Cheers !! Fair with your thought on Cryo , my friend . Without question our genre has had a bit of a resurgence - here's hoping that Cryo isn't our last shot !!
You only live once , but , if you live right , once is enough . Being happy takes work ...
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| 23 JUN 2003 at 10:27pm |
AllanonJourneyman
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Status : Offline | How do you feel about the # ... ? Friday ?
You only live once , but , if you live right , once is enough . Being happy takes work ...
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| 23 JUN 2003 at 11:23pm |
sparkySorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | i think that adventure games didn't get tired thay didn't change and that's very sad.
Look at the action genre compare doom to nay of todays shooters and youlll see the progress.
hell even half-life 2 is going to be day and night compared to half-life.
And than take adventure games except graphics and sound (which in my opinion are the least important thing) it's point & click or the likes.
Adventure games relyed to hevaly on just changing the plot and that would have been okay but there are only few people who can really come up with good plots.
Where is the great leap, when are we going to see more interaction (even AI), when are diffrent plots going to become the industry standard and so much more which can be improved on. - in that respec i'm really looking forward to Broken Sword 3.
This isn't to say adventure games today are bad, they are for the most part avarge and above but they lack ingnuity (most of). that said i hope that at the very least the currnent resurrgence in adventure games will continue.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exisit.
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| 23 JUN 2003 at 11:43pm |
AllanonJourneyman
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Status : Offline | Very well said , Sparky . I too agree . BS3 !!!?
You only live once , but , if you live right , once is enough . Being happy takes work ...
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| 24 JUN 2003 at 2:24am |
Bob_the_BuilderJourneyman
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Status : Online | I think the lack of variety in adventure games is what "killed" adventure games. Syberia and the Longest Journey were huge boosts to the genre.
NO SOUP FOR YOU!
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| 24 JUN 2003 at 2:38am |
AllanonJourneyman
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Status : Offline | I agree , Bob , however , was Syberia a game that REALLY invigorated this poorly under represented genre ? I say no - the industry ( as it is ) doesn't focus on Adv . games because no one BUYS them , can't make the almighty dollar . I guess people are happy with , unfortunately , every other genre . Cheers .
You only live once , but , if you live right , once is enough . Being happy takes work ...
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| 24 JUN 2003 at 2:39am |
AllanonJourneyman
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Status : Offline | Sorry , I agree with " The Longest Journey " .
You only live once , but , if you live right , once is enough . Being happy takes work ...
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| 24 JUN 2003 at 8:42am |
KsandraSchattenjger
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Status : Online | The more adventure games there are, the more good ones you're likely to get. There are plenty of poorly-made, unoriginal action games as well, but it doesn't matter so much because there are also many that are very good. And remember that RPGs were in a rut a few years ago as well - now they're back with a vengeance.
I don't think it's true that 'no one buys adventure games' - they'll probably always be a niche market, but the success of Syberia and TLJ shows that even adventures with a 'traditional' format can sell. Hopefully this will attract more developers to the genre who will bring fresh ideas. We're already seeing the return of several former adventure developers such as Jane Jensen.
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| 24 JUN 2003 at 12:59pm |
sparkySorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | And remember that RPGs were in a rut a few years ago as well - now they're back with a vengeance.
my point exactlu - look at the gmes that resurrected the genre they were very diffrent than the original rpg yet still were RPG's. not to mention that the RPG genre was never quite as dead as the Adventure genre was 2-4 years back.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exisit.
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| 24 JUN 2003 at 3:53pm |
Friday the 14thSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Adventuregames are harder to make than action games, because of that most developers makes action games. Action games also sells better, both these factors makes action games more profitable.
Game producers want their investmensts to be result in big commersial hits, and I don't need to tell you the rest.
Less advertising leads to fewer buyers -> lower budget -> less/cheaper games -> no interested producers -> etc.
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| 24 JUN 2003 at 3:55pm |
Friday the 14thSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Allanon (23 JUN 2003 10:27pm)
How do you feel about the # ... ? Friday ?
Square dot dot dot?
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| 24 JUN 2003 at 6:19pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Bob_the_Builder (24 JUN 2003 2:24am)
I think the lack of variety in adventure games is what "killed" adventure games. Syberia and the Longest Journey were huge boosts to the genre.
I don't know about that- there are plenty of different styles of adventure games. It just so happened that most of them were poorly marketed or not very good.
As for Syberia and TLJ, they're not perfect games either. One person might love 15-minute cutscenes and another might have at the CD with a pair of garden clippers. That's variety for you.
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| 24 JUN 2003 at 7:04pm |
AndromusGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Fickfack (24 JUN 2003 6:19pm)
I don't know about that- there are plenty of different styles of adventure games. It just so happened that most of them were poorly marketed or not very good.
Poor marketing -- the ambivalence of game shops towards adventures is a important factor. I went into a Electronics Botique shop about a month ago looking for Tony Tough. There were no copies on the shelf, and none in the back, according to the clerk. I walk into the same store today looking for Tony Tough again -- but there's still nothing on the shelves. Now, is that because EB happens to be selling so many copies they can't keep in stock : or simply because the people running the store couldn't care less about adventure market and the adventure buyer?
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| 24 JUN 2003 at 7:17pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I would not expect to find Tony Tough at most major retailers. Got Game is a small publisher without wide distribution, most of their games get overlooked.
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| 24 JUN 2003 at 7:26pm |
AndromusGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (24 JUN 2003 7:17pm)
I would not expect to find Tony Tough at most major retailers. Got Game is a small publisher without wide distribution, most of their games get overlooked.
True, but when I was at EB a month ago the clerk thought they had a copy on the shelf, and was surprised to see it missing. So they must have stocked it at some point, unless he was covering himself for not having a requested game.
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| 24 JUN 2003 at 7:50pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Yea, but I'm saying it's not necessarily an adventure game problem, but a small publisher bringing out a game with little to no press problem. There are still plenty of copies of Syberia and the Myst series on shelves.
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| 24 JUN 2003 at 8:05pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By jujigatame (24 JUN 2003 7:17pm)
I would not expect to find Tony Tough at most major retailers. Got Game is a small publisher without wide distribution, most of their games get overlooked.
I don't know about that. I bought it at Business Depot, which isn't even an electronics store. Maybe we Canadians are just more progressive.
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| 24 JUN 2003 at 8:17pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Maybe we Canadians are just more progressive.
Probably. Have you seen Bowling for Columbine?
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| 25 JUN 2003 at 11:12am |
| Deleted User | Probably. Have you seen Bowling for Columbine?
Heard of it, but haven't seen it.
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| 27 JUN 2003 at 2:51am |
| Deleted User | The EB Games here in Sarasota, FL, have only one 4 ft wide rack for all PC games and the rest of the store is for video games. On that one rack, you'd be lucky to find 3 adventure games. When I lived in the Boston area, there were many stores geared to PC's and PC games, but that doesn't seem to exist in this area. I often do better just ordering them from an online source.
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| 27 JUN 2003 at 3:04am |
adventuredogGuild Master
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Status : Offline | If adventure games were getting tired, I believe that they have been getting a good rest and are now starting to
[size=32]WAKE UP!
and smell the coffee
Still adventuring after all these years!
Patiently awaiting The Last Crown: Haunting of Hallowed Isle, and Bracken Tor...
... and Asylum if it's not tooooo scary...
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| 27 JUN 2003 at 3:10am |
adventuredogGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Fairygdmther (27 JUN 2003 2:51am)
The EB Games here in Sarasota, FL, have only one 4 ft wide rack for all PC games and the rest of the store is for video games. On that one rack, you'd be lucky to find 3 adventure games. When I lived in the Boston area, there were many stores geared to PC's and PC games, but that doesn't seem to exist in this area. I often do better just ordering them from an online source. I know what you mean. I buy almost exclusively online. I have given up on our local EB stores. The staff look at me weird when I ask about adventure games. They will not special order and even if they manage to carry a title and they have sold out - tough luck, they won't get any more. That makes a lot of business sense doesn't it!? :
Still adventuring after all these years!
Patiently awaiting The Last Crown: Haunting of Hallowed Isle, and Bracken Tor...
... and Asylum if it's not tooooo scary...
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| 27 JUN 2003 at 9:08am |
PamelaSpace Cadet
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Status : Online | I don't think adventure games are getting tired exactly, I posted a message about this in another area. I think that alot of games characters are very dry and you don't get to know much of their personality. This is why I loved Sierra and the Tex murphy games because they always had quirky and personable characters and the game was always interesting. Alot of adventure games aren't that way anymore. With the Cameron files and even post mortem the games were good but weren't complete because the characters were so dull and dry i think. The only sorta cool character was in Post Mortem, I don't remember his name offhand but he was the big french guy with the mustache. I realize that they want to make the games serious and realistic but they need for us to know the characters better so we feel more involved in the games and I think everyone has a bit of a sense of humor? :
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~&& Sierra, come to your senses!
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