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| 31 MAY 2003 at 12:01pm | |
JonasKyratzesSorcerer Apprentice  Posts : 280 Joined: 10 OCT 2002 Status : Online | I think the first two Alien movies are good movies, just not the best movies ever. Perhaps the best of their kind. Alien 3 isn't bad, but it hurts to know that it could've been so much better. Alien: Resurrection is an offense to mankind. It is one of the worst movies I've ever seen and, believe me, I've seen lots of movies (much like Godfather, I'm the guy who watches every movies that comes out). It was so incredibly bad that I just wanted to get up and go away. No pacing, no action, no fear, no horror, just gore and very very bad effects, bad use of the camera, bad script, stupid aliens, and the most idiotic ending I've ever seen. That other movie starring Winona Ryder, Lost Souls, was also crap, but at least it was shot well. This one is just plain bad. Since I'm hoping to become a filmmaker, I can say that I would definitely like to make another Alien movie, this time centering on the fear, the chase and the atmosphere. Steadicam shots a la The Shining going down dark corridors with characters running... cuts only when they're needed... lots of visual elements in general (think Requiem for a Dream), lots of good music in the chase scenes, not too much music in the tense scenes, less dumb dialogue, characters with more fear... and so on. I'm certain that I could make a really good sequel ... oh well. [i] |
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| 31 MAY 2003 at 12:42pm | |
StammerGuild Master  Posts : 3894 Joined: 5 JAN 2003 Status : Online | Joonas, i think you are overreacting there a little. Alien 3 was quite good and it boosted the plot of the series. I think that Weaver did a really great work with the acting part and everything was quite good. Alien 4 wasn't that good but not crap as you make it look. I can't lie by saying that it had good action scenes that thrilled me but it was a decent movie. I could, easily i may add, say that the forth alien looks so much like the movie Deep blue sea! The dialogues were indeed really stupid and the strange thing is that it's been years since i last watched it and i still remember many of them. The plot twists were indeed bad and the cast wasn't good. They tried too look like the guys in alien 2, i mean the marines. They wanted to look like criminals, cool, dirty and strong but finally the just made a big hole in the water. The ending was also quite crappy but i must say something now..i don't like saying but things about movies, except Vin Diesel's ones, but i have to admit that this one wasn't equal to the other Aliens, too bad... In order to add something to the topic i must say that Blade 3 is also in the works...*whispering* what a crap... Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit. |
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| 31 MAY 2003 at 12:47pm | |
StammerGuild MasterPosts : 3894 Joined: 5 JAN 2003 Status : Online | Originally Posted By monkeybone (31 MAY 2003 11:39am)Now these are the worst news i have ever heard! Have you guys actually seen the Pinnochio by Benini (spelling?)? It was a total rubbish! The guy was jumping like a stupid boy and screaming. Ok dude we all know that you are happy because of the Oscar but there is no need to act the redandant boy in order to show it. Here in Greece some called the movie Peochio! -you can ask someone from Greece to translate it to you- Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit. |
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| 31 MAY 2003 at 2:00pm | |
| Deleted User | Godfather - it's Roberto Benigni, also of Life Is Beautiful fame (La Vita é Bella). I heard bad things about that film before... however, anyone with more than a passing interest in Pinocchio should seek out Jacovitti's Pinocchio, a great childrens book with some beautiful illustrations. I also wouldn't assume some films are good whilst others are crap. Whilst it's safe to assume that Hulk or T3, from the trailers, are going to smell a little fishy there are no details on Blade 3, Alien 5 et al which means there is still hope. Besides, what would be wrong with a Blade 3? Sure, I'd rather see an original movie but if they're got a director on board with as much class as (was it?) Stephen Norrington or Guillermo Del Toro then it could be good. Still... :-/ Why does the world need another Blade/Alien/Predator/Terminator film anyhow? The only reason that these films existed is because the original films were so good. Look at Rambo. First Blood was an amazing piece of filmmaking and with each passing episode it rapidly descended into self-parody. The same is happening with Alien. Star Wars is a shadow of it's former self... It's what happens when people run out of ideas. http://www.dchiang.com/flash/robota.html |
| 31 MAY 2003 at 2:04pm | |
WimliGuild Master Posts : 3259 Joined: 14 MAR 2003 Status : Offline | Originally Posted By monkeybone (31 MAY 2003 11:39am) I agree with you, Monkeybone, about Alien and Aliens, two amazing films that should be in every film fan's collection. Apart from that, I thought Alien: Resurrection was acceptable. It did have a lousy script, but the movie looked beautiful. Jeunet really made the most of a ramshackle plot. I think I already stated how I feel about AvP and Anderson (kill that movie now!!! ). Oh my, first we get a life action version of Pinnochio, now a CG version??? What's the world coming to? : I must say that I'm looking forward to The Italian Job remake. It might not add anything new but the trailer looked great and the cast is rather impressive. Godfather: to be honest, I haven't seen either of the Predator movies, but I heard that the first one is pretty cool. The second apparently is not then? |
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| 31 MAY 2003 at 2:16pm | |
| Deleted User | Predator 2's one claim to fame was setting new standards in sequel suckiness compared to original. But then Star Wars Episode I came along. |
| 31 MAY 2003 at 2:29pm | |
WimliGuild MasterPosts : 3259 Joined: 14 MAR 2003 Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Petter_Holmberg (31 MAY 2003 11:42am) Yes! That's exactly what makes movies scary! Cool ideas too. Come on Petter, buy the rights from Fox and make this film. Those rights shouldn't be too expensive, right? I agree with Sigorney that it shouldn' t be turned into a big action blockbuster movie where people fight Aliens on Earth or something... You're right again. Besides, we've already had Starship Troopers. O.k., it was not set on earth, but an Alien movie like the one you describe here sounds exactly like what Starship troopers was, an army of humans versus an army of aliens. Except that Starship troopers was a great satire next to an action film which such an Alien movie might not be (it'll probably take itself too seriously :). Godfather: I don't think the problem is that there aren't any talented directors out there. The problem is Hollywood just doesn't want to risk giving the director duties to one of their big blockbusters to them. Take Darren Aronofsky for example: let him make an Alien or other big budget horror film and the movie would rock! But Hollywood doesn't want good movies, they want movies that are PG rated (as in not scary, not too violent, hence movies like Jan De Bont's The Haunting)so that as many people as possible come to see it. And then they are actually surprised that some of their obvious terrible movies bomb at the box office because even teenagers can tell it's crap! : There are only a handful of visionary directors that have made it into mainstream movies and that have established a name for themselves that they can do almost anything they want. Tim Burton and David Fincher being two of those. And Jonas: It seems like everybody has a movie that is critically lauded that they don't (really) like, as Alien and Aliens in your case. Believe me, some of the movies I hate are beloved by others on this board and most of the critics in the world, but I'll keep those to myself, otherwise they might move this thread to The Hot Spot or throw me of this board because I'm just a raving madman. |
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| 31 MAY 2003 at 2:41pm | |
StammerGuild MasterPosts : 3894 Joined: 5 JAN 2003 Status : Online | This thread is the best thing i have seen for months now! Life is Beautiful was a really nice film and as you mention Benigni got all his fame from that movie. You ask me what is wrong with Blade 3? I don't get it! You liked the second one? It was total crap. Eveything! It's not just that i don't want another sequel of an action movie but that the plot was messy, the music was not like the origina's one, the artist did quite a good work but is some points they messed everything. I don't say that i hated the original Blade, in fact it was quite entertaining but the second one was terrible. I made the mistake to watch it twice and i am not going to make tha same mistake ever again. I have also heard that the next blade will be at the same style with the second one and i don't like that. Rambo was good. First Blood was really good and i enjoyed watching it but the others were just too action(y) for me. I have the same question with you monkeybone. Why we need sequels? In one of my previous posts i said that we don't have new directors with 'fresh' minds but another problem is that we don't have new story writers with original ideas. I have noticed that the Hollywood only makes movies from books and remakes which means two thing. Either they want to assure that they are going to be ok in the box office or that they don't have good ideas, original that is. Both of these things aren't good!!! Wimli, the first Predator movie is really good and one of the best Arnie's work! Really good, you must watch it and enjoy it. On the other hand, the second one is total crap. I don't want to be bad in any way but this isn't a film! The only reason to watch it is if you have pop corn and you want to eat some while doing something. Unity, you are hell right with what you've just said! Has anyone mention the sequel to Resident Evil? I think it is the Nemesis one. I don't like Resident Evil. The game of course is really good but i found the movie full of classic boring scenes. The jombies were a big fiasco!!! I was just laughing by just seeing them. I wasn't scared even for a bloody second. Especially the scene with the kung fu, shooting and the dogs was a total joke. I gave it 1/5 in the reviews i write for a special Greek site. I hope that they are going to make a better work with Nemesis, but i doubt that. Someone mentioned something about 28 days later, right? The movie is quite good. It's been a while since it was released here but i can still remember it really good. It is quite good, i think you guys are going to like it. Also i want to mention 25th Hour, it's not a newly released movie but it is most certainly one of the best movies i have ever seen!!! Have you guys noticed that no girl comes in this thread? Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit. |
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| 31 MAY 2003 at 2:52pm | |
StammerGuild MasterPosts : 3894 Joined: 5 JAN 2003 Status : Online | Wimli, i didn't say that we don't have talented directors! I said that we don't have directors with fresh ideas or, as you put it, noone wants to give them the money to make their dreams real! A talented director can create good movies but no new ideas there! Take Scorcese (spelling?) for example. He did a great work at Gangs of New York and Catch me if you can but i don't think that it was an original work. I say again i really liked these movies and the direction but it wasn't new. I just love Fincher! I even loved Panic Room which was a totally bad movie with nothing new to tell. However, i really like the direction and the way this guy was moving the camera. I also liked the Hugh! I think that's his name and if you don't know he is the guy that directed Bourne Identity. I think that he did a really good work and do yo know why? Because he was HOLDING the camera. Yeah, that's right! He was holding the camera and this thing really helps the actor and the director, believe me. Now that i brought the conversation at this point i have to tell you that i really liked Bourne Identity, it was a thrilling movie and one of the best action titles i have ever seen. About the topic i have to tell that a sequel to Bourne Identity is underconstruction and that it is going to be a trilogy and that it is taken from a book (again). I like movies that are shot in Europe! I just love them! One of them is Bourne Identity. Did you know that the sequel to Ocean's Eleven will take place in Europe!!?? Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit. |
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| 31 MAY 2003 at 3:15pm | |
WimliGuild MasterPosts : 3259 Joined: 14 MAR 2003 Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Godfather (31 MAY 2003 2:40pm) And then imagine Fox thinking it's a good idea to let the guy who directed that load of crap take the helm on AvP. : I also thought the second Blade film was not as good as the original. The second lacked a well thought out villain, while the first movie had a great baddie! Stephen Dorff really kicked ass! But the main problem with the second one was its editing that can only be described as MTV-style cutting. Change the camera angles so fast that you become the effect that can't see what the hell is going on, who is hitting who and so on. The first Blade movie didn't have that. Also, the first one had more elegant yet dark and menacing (sp?) style, a style that really fitted a vampire movie. And Godfather, you're probably right that the third will be more of the same as the second film, since it'll be directed by the same guy. Yep, 28 Days Later is a fabulous film! Now here's a director who understands how to scare his audience! I haven't seen Gangs of New York (subject didn't really interest me), nor Catch Me If You Can (I generally hate all films Spielberg made post-1990, except Shindler's List). Are you talking about The Bourne Identity with Matt Damon or the older version from the 80s? The one with Matt Damon is directed by Doug Liman, another very talented director who comes close to Fincher's talent. Liman's The Bourne Identity was indeed a fantastic film! But i really love Matt Damon, very talented! Liman's previous film, 'Go', is also a small masterpiece! A very funny story, a great young talented cast and Liman's top-notch direction! Oh, and it's funny as hell! |
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| 31 MAY 2003 at 3:48pm | |
| Deleted User | Wimli, you gotta watch Gangs if only for the first 10 minutes. Absolutely mind-blowing use of visuals, atmosphere and sound. I loved it, althoug I know a lot of people didn't. Catch Me If You Can was Spielberg, btw Godfather. The Bourne Identity was the best spy film of all of last year's efforts. Both XXX and Bond didn't really do anything for me... It's amazing to think it was made by the director of Swingers! Mind you, he made Go as well, which was a fantastic film in it's own right with superb editing and great plot. 28 Days Later? THE best Zombie film since Day Of The Dead. If only Danny Boyle made films like this all the time. I'd love to see him do a remake of The Triffids. In Blade 2's defense, I liked it an awful lot. The original Blade was more groundbreaking than The Matrix. I came out of that film thinking that action films would NEVER be made the same way again. Then The Matrix came along to more hoo-hah and took it's crown - rightly so, it was a better film, but Blade was dodging bullets before Neo grew his hair back. Blade 2 has some excellent design, and what's this about not having a bad guy? The Reapers are great, and so was their leader. And anyone complaining about the SFX in this and spearheading the Reloaded CG have got to be more than a bit hypocritical, considering Blade hides it a lot more sucessfully through use of darkness and light. Del Toro is also a very good director that cares about his source material. Did you know Mike Mignola designed a lot of the movie? It shows. Ron Perlman is brilliant. Let's hope he shines as Hellboy... he owns that role. http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/hellboy/hellsite/ BTW I've been reading Jon Gaeta's interviews leading up to Reloaded's release... and all I can say is what a d*ckhead... |
| 31 MAY 2003 at 4:02pm | |
WimliGuild MasterPosts : 3259 Joined: 14 MAR 2003 Status : Offline | What i meant with Blade 2 not having a proper villain is that the baddie (I even forgot the name of his character, to show what an impression he left on me ), played by Gossman (sp?) just didn't have the same screen charisma as Snipes, while Stephen Dorff easily matched him. i don't know, I just never felt that Wesley Snipes was ever really in danger in the second film, a feeling I did have with the first film. And don't get me wrong, I think Del Toro is a great director! It's just that it seems that the editing of Blade 2 was clumsy. Mimic was a great film (well, except for the happy ending, but that was the studio's call, not Del Toro's) with some really scary scenes. I'll probably watch Gangs eventually since it's such a much talked about movie. Gotta know what the fuss is all about. |
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| 31 MAY 2003 at 4:40pm | |
| Deleted User | I have to say that I like all four Alien movies a lot, and I think you're being a little unfair. First, Fincher's Alien 3 gets better every time you watch it. It's so incredibly dark and gothic and generally gritty that you immediately get disappointed after comparing it to Aliens. Killing off good characters set up in the early movie in the beginning was a shocking twist, and the sacrifice in the end is also great. The characters gets a little lost in the story, but that is probably not the case with Fincher's original cut of the movie, the one that seems to finally come out on DVD now. The CG effects were not very good though, and I would have liked an explanation of how the alien eggs got on board the Sulaco in the first place, but watch it several times and you start finding great symbolic scenes and subtle touches all over the movie that are really good! Alien: Resurrection was also not that bad in my opinion. It was not as good as the others, but I kind of liked the humor in it and all the gory effects were well done and quite shocking the first time. Also, I really liked the cast. Winona Ryder made a good job, and I just LOVE Ron Perlman! But best of all is Sigorney Weaver! Looking more closely, you can detect all sorts of details in her acting. For instance behaves much more alien-like when she moves than the others. It's very good! About Alien 5, I have my hopes on Sigorney. She has a great say in this department. Sure, they can go and make a movie without her, but it won't be as successful, and she won't make another one if she doesn't think it's really good. She doesn't want any sell-outs, just a movie that embraces what made the series great. Director-wise, I recall another thing Rutger Hauer said (he had so many great things about movies to say that I can't remember them all) was that directors doesn't have as much power as we're made to believe. In the end, it's the people that runs the studios that decides if a movie is to be made or not. More great scripts than you could imagine never gets a chance because they always go for the safe deals. A movie that's generally not considered very good but that I believe had the elements a good scary movie should have was The Cell, with Jennifer Lopez. I'm not exactly a fan of hers, but in this movie she was tolerable, and it really made me feel uneasy. In it, she takes a trip into the mind of a psychotic serial killer, and the insides of his brain is a surreal world reminiscent of a Salvador Dalí painting. The thing about this is that it was totally out in the blue what you were going to see next, and I found that very scary. If I had the skill, power and resources to do an Alien 5, there would be a very claustrophobic feeling in it, with scary twists and lots of scenes with people chased by aliens (steadycams rock!) and that sort of thing. And I would also love to feature the Alien homeworld, or one they had completely taken over, in it. And I'd pay Hans Rudi Giger whatever he wanted to design it all! |
| 31 MAY 2003 at 4:41pm | |
JonasKyratzesSorcerer ApprenticePosts : 280 Joined: 10 OCT 2002 Status : Online | If you want a good Del Toro film, watch "The Devil's Backbone". Scary, deep, and brilliant. Blade 2 I found very disappointing, because I liked Blade 1 for the most part (except for the swelling and exploding bad guys). The effects in Blade 2 were ridiculous - and by that I mean the effects when the vampires died (argh) and, above all, the light effects in the sewers scene. They looked as if they'd been made in Paint! As for Predator, yes, the first one was excellent and the second one sucked, except for a single scene. Bad movie. Not horrible, buy just... not interesting at all. Don't say that I didn't like the Alien movies; as I said, the first two were good and the third one OK (but could've been SO much better). The fourth one is honestly one of the few movies I would NOT watch again. As for Life is Beautiful and Benigni: my girlfriend absolutely loved Life is Beautiful (as did I) and she didn't like Pinocchio at all. I trust her judgement in this. And, damn you all, Episode I was good, with the exception of Jake Lloyd, who was horrible. But the rest of the movie was great, especially Qui-Gon Jinn. And Episode II was fantastic ("not good!...". [i] |
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| 31 MAY 2003 at 4:45pm | |
JonasKyratzesSorcerer ApprenticePosts : 280 Joined: 10 OCT 2002 Status : Online | I guess I'm being unfair to Alien 3. It was still good. It's just that all the wasted potential makes me sad. But if the new version is a Director's Cut, I'm sure it will rock. The Cell was one of the most visually astounding films I've ever seen. Incredible. Good story, too. But the visuals... OMG. [i] |
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| 31 MAY 2003 at 6:18pm | |
WimliGuild MasterPosts : 3259 Joined: 14 MAR 2003 Status : Offline | I'm looking forward to that Alien 3 Director's Cut too! Alien 3 had a very good premise, 'back to basics, where they didn't even have a single gun to fight the alien; Quiet a difference with Aliens. And yes, Alien resurrection was not a bad film, it's just that the plot was always going to be problematic. Alien 3 had such a perfect ending that virtually made a believable sequel impossible. I haven't seen the cell or The Devil's Backbone, although I plan to, especially The Devil's Backbone. |
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| 31 MAY 2003 at 6:25pm | |
WimliGuild MasterPosts : 3259 Joined: 14 MAR 2003 Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Godfather (31 MAY 2003 2:40pm) tsk Godfather! Don't let Z-Girl, Sarah or Sennebec hear that! |
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| 31 MAY 2003 at 6:57pm | |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By JonasKyratzes (31 MAY 2003 4:41pm) Whoa, it takes some guts to actually reveal that you liked the Phantom Mayonnaise! Good one, Jonas! I have to say that I also think at least parts of it is very good. But Episode 2 only makes me dizzy. None of these two movies comes even remotely close to the originals. |
| 31 MAY 2003 at 9:26pm | |
| Deleted User | Reasons to be excited (still liked Blade 2, people like Ep 1 so why not? ) - http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/hellboy/hellsite/hellboy_photo-b.html http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/hellboy/hellsite/sapien_photo.html Now THAT's good makeup. |
| 31 MAY 2003 at 10:10pm | |
| Deleted User | Wow! That's nice. I have to admit that I have no clue what Hellboy is and what kind of movie this will be, so please enlighten me! Also, I just saw the new Hulk trailer. The teaser was pretty lame, but this trailer makes the movie look pretty interesting. It might be really good actually... |
| 31 MAY 2003 at 10:58pm | |
| Deleted User | Hellboy is an amazing comic book drawn by Mike Mignola, who has worked on films from Burton to Disney no less. Check out Right Hand Of Doom and other graphic novels... you'll be a changed man. www.hellboy.com |
| 1 JUN 2003 at 12:03am | |
dombrewerGuild Master Posts : 3103 Joined: 19 JAN 2003 Status : Offline | There's a lot of opinion-throwing in this thread - can't we be adults and get beyond this please, it extremely boring to read. Someone is welcome to voice their opinion on a film, but we don't need someone questioning their opinion. We all like different things, remember? So..... 1. Not especially looking forward to anything! No, really. Expectation is the great ruiner of films. I'll just wait and see - I go to the movies a lot and chances are I'm not going to miss anything. Why do I need to build something up for my own disappointment? Well, okay, I'm looking forward to Return of the King, but I'm only human. 2. I like Predator 2. There's nothing especially wrong with it. Yes, it's nothing on the first, but I'm a fan of the creature design and it wasn't disappointing in that respect. Love the final fight on the spacecraft with the "Alien" skull on the wall. Brilliant. 3. Hellboy. Interesting - the script has always been a major problem in the graphic novels I thought - very weakly plotted mainly for some beautiful Mignola action spreads of Hellboy leaping in the air and punching something. If they can sort out the plot - could be great. 4. Hulk? Bleh. 5. Alien films. Loved one and two. Three disappointing - no matter what this supposed director's cut does you can't avoid the things which fail to make the film work. The director's cut will have a hard time making any of the convincts any more recognisble or interesting as individual characters, alleviating the dreadful pessimism of the piece or the lacklustre action sequences compared to James Cameron's. Frankly I was p*ssed when they began the film with Newt and Hicks dead. Well done for totally ruining the whole point of the last hour of "Aliens" in four minutes flat. I thought that hugely disrespectful to fans of that film. I thought Four was totally pointless and played like a shoddy comic book it was so lamely plotted and scripted. And the CGI aliens weren't even slightly convincing or scary. So there you go. [img]http://www.justadventure.com/public_html/yabbfiles/Smilies/detective.gif[/img][b]Playing:[/b] &&[img]http://www.justadventure.com/public_html/yabbfiles/Smilies/blahblah.gif[/img][b]Reading:[/b] &&[img]http://www.justadventure.com/public_html/yabbfiles/Smilies/whistle.gif[/img][b]Listening:[/b] &&[img]http://www.justadventure.com/public_html/yabbfiles/Smilies/indie.gif[/img][b]Watching:[/b] |
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| 1 JUN 2003 at 12:13am | |
sennebecGuild Master Posts : 3334 Joined: 15 NOV 2004 Location: US, maine Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Godfather (31 MAY 2003 2:40pm) i counted 4 women in the first 3 pages of this thread... some with multiple posts... pay attention godfather still gaming...
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| 1 JUN 2003 at 12:28am | |
WimliGuild MasterPosts : 3259 Joined: 14 MAR 2003 Status : Offline | Monkeybone: I used to be excited about Hellboy when it was first announced, but for now my interest has whaned (sp?) a little bit. I'll just wait for some more material. The links you gave look interesting, but I'm still bot not too thrilled about this movie. Well, things can still change in the coming months. Originally Posted By dombrewer (1 JUN 2003 12:02am) I agree with you, but sometimes it's hard to remain calm and react in a friendly way cause you are so passionate about certain films that others don't like or vice versa. So if I've done anything out of line, I apologize. Never intended to hurt someone's feelings. :-[ Sennebec: i counted 4 women in the first 3 pages of this thread... some with multiple posts... It seems that I should pay more attention too... :-[ I forgot to include Gayle (sorry :-*) in my response to Godfather's remark. But I didn't forget you Sennebec! How could I, after that beautiful picture of Finding Nemo. It certainly brightened up this thread consisting of a collection a ramblings from real movie geeks (including me). |
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| 1 JUN 2003 at 12:31am | |
sennebecGuild MasterPosts : 3334 Joined: 15 NOV 2004 Location: US, maine Status : Offline | wimli... you are too cute :-* still gaming...
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