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| 17 MAY 2003 at 11:56am |
ElfstoneGuild Master
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Status : Online | It doesn't bother me. When I see such a game I think to myself that everyone who plays it is not going to express his anger outside in the real world. I found myself playing a shooter once in a while just to release my frustration. It can really help to do that I tell you.
Of course, there are always some sick people who play a game and try to imitate it in real life or who just get enraged by watching violence - but you can never avoid that. The thing which I hate much more is propaganda in the media aimed at video and computer games, displaying gamers as violent, socially disrupted and isolated folk. That can make me run amok, personally much more than any FPS or war game out there! >
[b]playing[/b]: Destination Treasure Island (done in two sittings, but it's nice), Syberia (ho-hum), Dracula: Last Sanctuary (on hold)&&[b]reading[/b]: even more study papers&&[b]listening to[/b]: [url=http://www.last.fm/user/Brax82/]this and that[/url], plus [url=http://www.musicovery.com/]Musicovery[/url]&&[b]TV favorites[/b]: (currently) Pushing Daisies, Chuck, Journeyman (cancelled! grrr...), Heroes&& all-time) 24, Stargate SG1, X-Files, Lost, House
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| 17 MAY 2003 at 2:48pm |
RismiIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Yes, many things of what you say are true Elfstone.
It is not the fact that there exist those games, it is more the fact that you hardly find other games (at least in my country), that makes me angry. Sometimes I really think that developers (although, I have big admirance for who is able to make a pc-game) have a bit a lack of imagination.
BTW (lol this abreviation is in my language, the abreviation for income-tax, so it gave a bit of confusion the first time I red it ) I think I have posted it wrong.
So, staff, if you want to move it to 'games in general' : go on.
Ri&Smi
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| 17 MAY 2003 at 5:11pm |
KsandraSchattenjger
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Status : Online | War is an obvious theme for first-person shooters, real-time strategy etc. Its true that there are rather too many of them at the moment, but in the UK at least there are plenty of other types of game available as well.
The only time I've ever felt uncomfortable playing a war game was with C&C: Generals, during the recent war in Iraq. I know the release wasn't deliberately timed to coincide with the war, but it did seem in bad taste to be playing a game where you launch missile attacks on civilian buildings, at the same time as things like that were going on in real life.
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| 17 MAY 2003 at 6:23pm |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | Elfstone, you said the magic word.."propaganda".
I just hate when i see that in games. I really liked Splinter Cell but the whole "U.S. kicks ass" really pissed me off!
That's why i like the Matrix (not the game)
Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit.
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| 19 MAY 2003 at 8:02pm |
szcaxJourneyman
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Godfather (17 MAY 2003 6:22pm)
I just hate when i see that in games. I really liked Splinter Cell but the whole "U.S. kicks ass" really pissed me off!
That's one of the reasons I really like the Rainbow Six series. As well as requiring a brain, it also features heroes from all around the world working together against a greater evil.
Black holes are where God divided by zero
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| 19 MAY 2003 at 10:05pm |
| Deleted User | I was never a fan of war movies not even stuff like Platoon or Saving Private Ryan. They just don't give me anything. The same counts for "realistic" war games. I agree I enjoyed the first C&C and also Starcraft but their setting is pretty fictional so I didn't mind. I actually don't know why I don't like them maybe just because most victims in war are the innocent that can't protect themselves and neither movies nor games are doing a good job declaring how very bad a war is.
But on the other hand I like historic battles or futuristic ones just not the present.
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| 20 MAY 2003 at 12:23am |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | My evenings just wouldn't be the same without 30-60min of Medal of Honor, Allied Assault!
The future ain't what it used to be!
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| 20 MAY 2003 at 4:01am |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By szcax (19 MAY 2003 8:01pm)
That's one of the reasons I really like the Rainbow Six series. As well as requiring a brain, it also features heroes from all around the world working together against a greater evil. Never played any of them but now these things are 'old' to play...
Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit.
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| 26 MAY 2003 at 2:42pm |
Friday the 14thSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Godfather (20 MAY 2003 4:00am)
Never played any of them but now these things are 'old' to play...
I wouldn't call it old, isn't the first game only like 5-6 years?
I'm an allround gamer. I prefer games with depth and story like Adventures and RPG's but I play and like other games as well, FPS games included (but only on playstation).
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| 28 MAY 2003 at 3:23pm |
RismiIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Ogre (19 MAY 2003 10:05pm)
But on the other hand I like historic battles or futuristic ones just not the present.
That's the thing... I don't mind playing Age of Empires, or Europa Universalis... so I have to admit I'm a bit a cheater on my own title .
But in both games you're 1)playing in 'history', 2) it's not just shooting and killing... If I can I avoid it. I just like to build up a strategy.
I don't believe that games can make anyone clear how bad war is... hmmm Ksandra felt a bit uncomfortable... so who knows....
Ri&Smi
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| 28 MAY 2003 at 4:24pm |
KsandraSchattenjger
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Status : Online | If someone made a game that showed the reality of war - gruesome deaths and injuries, 'friendly fire', war crimes etc - I don't think anyone would want to play it. At least, I hope not...
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| 8 JUL 2003 at 11:23pm |
culturalfluxIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Don't get me wrong - I'm too liberal even for my Democrat dad, but I hope you don't mean we should censor war games or something. I think everyone in the gaming community stands united against Joe Lieberman's plan of censorship. It would be interesting if they did make a dramatic game about the horrors of war, but in the mean time, Battlefield 1942 and other games' mechanics depend on the "clean" version of war. There is some realistic things in games like Splinter Cell - civilians you can't shoot, which improves the game mechanics. But goddamn, the last thing I want is for the gaming community to turn PC.
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| 9 JUL 2003 at 3:08am |
| Deleted User | Well of course war is hell.
There is a fun Cival War Game by Sid Meier that is long out of print, about the North vs the South in the American Civil War.
The premise is to arrange your troops according to the terrain, how many Infantry (foot soldiers) vs Cavalry (soldiers on horses), or cannons (requires many horses to move around the board) are in you possession. The terrain is most important and how quick you are or aren’t to marshal the troops to where they are most effective. You can even play the game option that allows you to recreate specific historic battles as the ‘general’ to win or lose them as you see fit.
No. No one wants war, but it is best to be prepared for it and understand how to fight one, because eventually one will need to fight, like it or not. Sad but true.
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| 9 JUL 2003 at 11:35am |
judyannSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | I wouldn't blame violence on games or anything else. That comes from within the person and his/her innate lack of empathy for life and the suffering of others.
I can understand the popularity of war games and shooters. Most people who play them are simply doing something they would NOT do in real life. There was a time in my life that, had they been available back then, I probably would have played them too for that feeling of power, control and immortality.
But it does bother me that there are so many compared to adventure games, especially when I know there are AGs out there that the stores I go to just haven't stocked.
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| 10 JUL 2003 at 5:42pm |
RismiIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | I don't think that it has so much to do with people's lack of empathy for life, or their love for fighting that so many people like to play those games. Well... maybe it is, but at least with me, it is just bc I like the strategy-factor that I play for example Europa Universalis.
I don't ast for censorism... that would be bad... but I just can't understand that 90% of the store is about war games. At least here in Belgium it seems to be like that. War, fighting, violence.... When you want a new adventure game you litteraly have to wait until there's a new release. It's bc of this unbalance that I started this item.
Ri&Smi
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| 10 JUL 2003 at 9:54pm |
| Deleted User | Definitely not for censorship of any kind when it comes to the content of games. Would like to see age limits though.
I read today that in Thailand, online gaming is to be blocked between certain hours of the night: even in adult internet café's. This supposedly will help students get their sleep during the months of July through September. Strictly voluntary for now but the goverment is trying to make it a law.
No. No one wants war, but it is best to be prepared for it and understand how to fight one, because eventually one will need to fight, like it or not. Sad but true.
Daryl, in my humble opinion, I [size=18]totally disagree with you. >
You leave no hope for the world.
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| 10 JUL 2003 at 10:12pm |
AnneGuild Master
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Status : Online | I read that in Iraq the kids are able to play p.c. games for the 1st time ever.O.K.not momentous but the beginning of the beginning.It opens the world for them.
I know this is the least important at the moment but one step..
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| 11 JUL 2003 at 12:22am |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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and what games are the little Iraqi kids playing? Fighting games, perhaps?
As the mother of two young boys I have seen my kids invent guns from twigs and their own hands. It's instinctive and it doesn't meant they will turn out violent. As a girl I played with my brother's battleships and as yet I haven't launched a single inter-continental ballistic missile at anyone. well, not yet.
I don't mind the lads having their army games, I understand Elfstone's comments about frustration. But I miss the puzzle type games. Obsidian was BRILLIANT and games like Jewels of the Oracle and Time Lapse, lots of puzzles to stretch the mind..... The money seem to be getting spent on the fighting games.
Let's have more clever games.
And for the record Gail, I think Daryl's comment was a fair political observation. Peace in our time, hasn't happened yet. But one day it will. One day we'll be so culturally similar around the world that war will be unthinkable.
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| 11 JUL 2003 at 1:28am |
HelenGuild Master
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Status : Offline | War in games dosent bother me at all, its just a GAME, it DOES bother me that they make more of them than adventure games, but thats another story.
As for war in real life, there has always been war, and there will always be war, The Human race will never be perfect enough to avoid it. IMHO.
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| 11 JUL 2003 at 1:39am |
culturalfluxIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | I think the real subject here is that many of us in the adventure community want to see games with brains. And I completely agree with that. There's far too many first-person shooters, far too many real-time strategies. But if a game is fun and utilizes violence and gore to accomplish that goal, I'm all for it. And also does it originally and intelligently of course.
There have been many adventure games with violence in them. Full Throttle, Phantasmagoria (at least R rated), the Shivers series, Gabriel Knight series, Harvester, the Laura Bow series, hell, even Syberia to some extent. The problem is not violence or nudity, but the independent thought being put into games.
I think many are distressed with the amount of "penis and guns" in the gaming community, to use my friends' term for warmongers. It's shoot first, ask questions later gameplay. Mindless blow-the-hell-out-of-you stuff. But anyone will tell you more tactical shooters like Rainbow Six and Counter-Strike take some very sly intelligence as well as quick reflexes.
So what we need is to show gaming companies that we want less violent, more mind-oriented games. We showed them that with Syberia. Counter-Strike showed the consideration companies give to mod communities. So we need to help independent adventures prosper. I'm on the game team for King's Quest IX, and I intend to bust ass doing this thing. Then maybe someone can sneak a copy into E3 and....
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| 11 JUL 2003 at 1:53am |
AnneGuild Master
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Status : Online | Syberia.I think you must mean the cage descending around Helena,otherwise it is a very gentle game.I hate shoot and kill games but all kids go through that stage.
Some get stuck in it in real life.Adventure games show them how to solve their problems in other ways.
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| 11 JUL 2003 at 4:46am |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Status : Offline | I think there'll always be a desire to play fighting games on the pc and I don't see the harm. I also don't see the attraction. What we need is the developers to get good writers and get us stories with good plot lines, and puzzles. Wish I knew some of these game people. For me, Syberia was light on real puzzles. Now, if she'd had to solve a logic puzzle to open all the doors... that would have been heaven for me. Less seek and find and more stand in front of and think it out type of puzzles.
Try and get copy of Obsidian. 4 discs of great artwork and wonderful puzzles. Bit of a story.
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| 11 JUL 2003 at 10:39am |
RismiIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Caroline (11 JUL 2003 12:22am)
Peace in our time, hasn't happened yet. But one day it will. One day we'll be so culturally similar around the world that war will be unthinkable.
[glb][/glb]Bravo Caroline... This gives me a real warmful feeling. Thankfully there are still people who believe in the future...
By the way, all your last reactions sthrengten me in this.
Thanks guys...
Ri&Smi
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| 11 JUL 2003 at 4:13pm |
sparkySorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | Peace in our time, hasn't happened yet. But one day it will. One day we'll be so culturally similar around the world that war will be unthinkable.
there will always be wars , it's part of our nature and not part of culture. to say that past wars have been only because of cultural diffrence is wrong.
And i don't neccerly believe that war is always a wrong thing ( don't get me wrong the war is terrible and bad but not always wrong)
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exisit.
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