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| 6 MAY 2003 at 2:10pm |
mszvPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Hi,
I think it's the "+" part of the Just Adventure title, which means they get to talk about other types of games that have "adventure" in them. I took a peek at the site (haven't looked at it for some time) and it does seem to me that there are more articles than there used to be about games other than adventure games, on the site, but I could be wrong. I would like it if they divided it up, so I could look at only the adventure games, when I wanted to.
The forums are like that too. There used to be more talk on adventure games. Now, there appears to be just as much talk on non-adventure games, in the adventure game threads.
Regards, mszv
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 2:17pm |
dimidimidimiSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I agree as well... I would want JA to go back to a more 'pure' philosophy like when it began. And I agree for the forums as well... I think the moderators should move more threads to the General gaming sector when people start talking about games like GTA, half life etc on the adventure games thread.
Just my 2 cents
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 4:10pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | About the reviews - this might sound silly but that depends on the reviewers. Most reviewers are collaborators and they submit reviews of games they come across although they do keep a line (I don't think you'll ever see a review of a football game here).
About the sorting - yes, that's definitely a good idea. I understand it was in Randy's plans to start a second site "just" about action/adventure games. Also, he's intending to start a new section only for IF games. So there's a refurbishing process undergoing.
Looking at the current articles, I don't see many action games (only Ghost Master is strategy and Full Throttle 2 is action/adventure) so I don't see why you think that the amount of adventure-related articles has decreased.
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 5:04pm |
| Deleted User | You can blame me for a lot of the posts on Half Life... but if you look at some of the threads, although they tend to go OT a lot, they are adventure related.
I opened the HL2 thread as an example of where adv. games developers could go with graphics and acting. I find it strange that a medium which is so much about plot and character has such lifeless graphics compared to games where, usually, the story is secondary.
I'm a graphics and gameplay junkie. I try out the occasional indie title, but often I can't get into them as I'm fussy about what my games look like. I'm shallow! If they've got a good story and I can get into, I'll play it, though - but I won't play every adventure that comes along for the sake of it.
I think the mix of gamers, from purists to adrenaline rush addicts, makes for some exciting debates and opens peoples minds as to what's out there. I wouldn't have bought Darkfall or even tried Out Of Order before I came here.
I think the forums would be a whole lot duller if the variety of characters we have have view rejected purely because someone's definition of an adventure game is different to anothers... Or that they enjoy a different style.
It's JA+.
Spread the love!
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 5:14pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | I think your thread was quite adventure related. I reviewed the first four pages of the Adventure Forum (which leads back to more than half a month ago) and I couldn't find any threads about action games.
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 5:20pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Rael (6 MAY 2003 5:13pm)
I think your thread was quite adventure related. I reviewed the first four pages of the Adventure Forum (which leads back to more than half a month ago) and I couldn't find any threads about action games.
But... but... people were talking about Half-life fer chrissakes! Don't you see how that dilutes the sacred purity of the adventure genre?
I forgot my sig.
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 5:52pm |
InlandAZGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MichalN (6 MAY 2003 5:20pm)
But... but... people were talking about Half-life fer chrissakes! Don't you see how that dilutes the sacred purity of the adventure genre?
Half-Life wasn't an adventure? whoa... What's next Tomb Raider, Undying and Alice?
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| 7 MAY 2003 at 12:02am |
AndromusGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By mszv (6 MAY 2003 2:10pm)
Hi,
I think it's the "+" part of the Just Adventure title, which means they get to talk about other types of games that have "adventure" in them.
Like that GM Goodwrench Plus ad says, the plus means better!
I never had any problems with the mix of games discussed or reviewed at JA. We're all capable of differentiating between pure adventures, adventure hybrids, other genres that throw in adventure elements and recognizing their relative strengths and weaknesses, so why not discuss them all?
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| 7 MAY 2003 at 1:15am |
mszvPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Well, of course people can post whatever they want in the adventure game thread. But then, maybe you don't need the "Other Games" thread. Most games seems to have some sort of adventure element in the game, so I guess you could talk about all of them in the Adventure Games thread, if you wanted. That's OK, if that's how it's set up now, I can pick my way through the topics.
Regards, mszv
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| 7 MAY 2003 at 1:18am |
| Deleted User | I like the "+" on the site and in the forum because I do not play exclusively adventure games (as many here). Starting from the fact that people here are adventure game fans makes me take their opinion about other games very seriously. I wouldn't go on some action site or forum to read or exchange thoughts on Deus Ex or Half Life for example.
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| 7 MAY 2003 at 1:27am |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Randdom (7 MAY 2003 1:18am)
I like the "+" on the site and in the forum because I do not play exclusively adventure games (as many here). Starting from the fact that people here are adventure game fans makes me take their opinion about other games very seriously. I wouldn't go on some action site or forum to read or exchange thoughts on Deus Ex or Half Life for example.
Bravo! Seriously, that was very thoughtful. The reviews are there - if you don't like them you can ignore them but you might actually find about a good game from an adventure reviewer's POV.
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| 7 MAY 2003 at 1:54am |
dombrewerGuild Master
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Status : Offline | I can support that - I recently bought Fallout 1 and 2 after recommendations on the "Other Games" board by adventure gamers whos taste in adventure games matches mine... I consider it a vital branching out in my experiences of gaming as a whole. Of course we have to represent Adventure games primarily, but my gaming life does not stop there - all the more shame if it did, there are too many excellent games to play in the other genres....
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| 7 MAY 2003 at 10:04pm |
mszvPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Hmmm.
Well, if that's the case, I think we should get rid of the "Other Games" forum and put all the game topics in one place and call it "Games". I thought the "Other Games" forum was the place to get game recommendations from people who liked adventure games, but also wanted to talk about other games. That's the place where you can get recommendations on other games from adventure gamers. Otherwise, why have a forum for adventure games?
I still remember when there were very strong debates on what was an adventure game. I sure don't want to go back to those days(!), but I would like the adventure games forums to be about adventure games.
Regards, mszv
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| 7 MAY 2003 at 10:15pm |
dombrewerGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By mszv (7 MAY 2003 10:04pm)
I think we should get rid of the "Other Games" forum and put all the game topics in one place and call it "Games". I thought the "Other Games" forum was the place to get game recommendations from people who liked adventure games, but also wanted to talk about other games. That's the place where you can get recommendations on other games from adventure gamers. Otherwise, why have a forum for adventure games?
I'm confused by your point mszv. The other games forum is exactly that already. We're fans of adventures, that's why we're on this forum, if we want to talk about other types of games we have the "other games" thread. Combining everything into a "games" thread wouldn't make sense, would it?
Originally Posted By mszv (7 MAY 2003 10:04pm)
I would like the adventure games forums to be about adventure games.
They are, aren't they? If someone started a thread that was obviously exclusively about a FPS or RPG it would get moved by the moderators. The main thread is "adventure game discussion". Personally i wouldn't post a comment about Tomb Raider or Deus Ex there, even with the blurred divisions on "what is an adventure", and most people don't. Isn't what you're suggesting a backward step? :-/
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| 7 MAY 2003 at 10:45pm |
mszvPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Well, I thought that only "regular" adventure games,not hybrids (the + part of Just Adventure) should be on the adventure game forum. It seemed to me that more non-adventure games or hybrids were creeping onto the thread. But, I just went and took another look, and right now, mostly regular adventure games are on the the first page of the forum, so I'm fine.
Regards, mszv
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| 7 MAY 2003 at 10:55pm |
ArrowIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | I side with the plusers here too. My favorite genre is Adventure, so I I'm glad the focus is on adventure games. But I play other things too, such as rpg's and action games, so it's nice to hear other people's opinions on these types of games as well.
Gahedagowah & Gahagowa.
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| 8 MAY 2003 at 5:55am |
| Deleted User | Exactly! Besides, if people are (rather stunningly) worried about the "lack" of adventure threads, why don't more people actually open new threads up? It's been really slow on that forum of late.
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| 10 MAY 2003 at 12:21pm |
| Deleted User | well, after all it still is an adventure site. I also play other games and I understand that not many new adventure games are released except maybe some freeware fan projects and one or two commercial games a year. Still if a site like this features other types of games, and I agree that the definition "what is an adventure?" can be pretty far stretched - most people think Diablo is an RPG - well it is not, it's a Gauntlet clone action game that has some vital statistics and in the last time the genre's in games seem to mix up more and more anyway so it becomes harder to put a game in a certain "classical" slot, yet if a website is focussing on adventures it should put them on the top and sort all other games in an extra space.
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| 10 MAY 2003 at 8:41pm |
| Deleted User | Look at it this way - we can be totally purist, and possibly scare some people away, or be flexible, which we are and it seems to attract all sorts of interesting people... As you say, definitions can be loose - Diablo is considered an RPG, but to purists it isn't, yet it's always included. It's more point n click than Syberia!
Personally, I don't see what all the fuss is about. If you want to post about pure adventures, then go ahead! I don't just play adventures, and the fact that others are also open about other games is interesting. We want to see more adventures, of course, and we are... But there's nothing wrong with relating other types of games to the genre if needs be.
Most of the posts during your first peek at the forum may had been about other styles, but look closer and you'll see the same theme.
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| 11 MAY 2003 at 6:19pm |
RismiIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Hi, We (yes, we... that's why you don't see a gender are not 'regular players',that means that we don't buy regularly new games. Just once or twice a year, but our favorite games are, what is called here 'the pure adventure' games... I the male part of 'we') think
Because I get pretty confused by all these terms : RPG, adventure, action-adventure... especially about the two first. It may look a silly question :-[, but can somebody tell me what the difference is between RPG and adventure ??? Thanks in advance
Ri & Smi
Ri&Smi
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| 11 MAY 2003 at 7:04pm |
borgolIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Heya. I'm a newbie here alright. But I just wanted to present whats right in my eyes.
Everyone knows that while advanture games are the greatest ( ) they sadly hasn't been taking their place in the gaming industry or community. Which is truly a pity, since advanture players are usually quite a great bunch of people. There are many gaming sites out there. Many sites that are dedicated to all those genres that in my honest opinion rely only on their good graphics (don't get me wrong.. graphics are nice but.. you know ) but to the greatest genre of all - advantures there are very little sites out there. Not as many communities or represnatation. Therefore, I believe that keeping this awsome place advanture pute is important.
(or to shorten all that mess I wrote up there - I'm in favour of different threads : )
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| 11 MAY 2003 at 7:15pm |
| Deleted User | Obviously I play some games other than adventures, and there's nothing wrong with having an adventure gamer's perspective on said games.
Having said that I don't think we should make an effort to be more broad-minded so as to be "more inclusive"- I don't want to play a survival horror game because they simply don't appeal to me. I reserve the right to be a partial adventure purist.
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| 12 MAY 2003 at 12:44am |
adventuredogGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Welcome Borgol!
Rismi - I don't play RPG, so I'm not the best to answer, But I think one of the main differences has to do with the setup of the game and the characters - Role playing- you choose a character type and different atributes and build on those while fulfilling quests.
Others who play will hopefully give you a better answer than this.
Still adventuring after all these years!
Patiently awaiting The Last Crown: Haunting of Hallowed Isle, and Bracken Tor...
... and Asylum if it's not tooooo scary...
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| 13 MAY 2003 at 7:37am |
| Deleted User | In adventure games you mostly run around with or as a fixed character (like in a book) and solve puzzles. The basic thing about a RPG is that you create your own character (usually u have to choose one) and while solving quests that include fighting and puzzles at the same time your character becomes stronger. The most common RPG's on a PC today have a real time fighting system, that means you just click ahead and try to beat the enemy with a sword much like in an action game so its actually pretty far from the original way of playing a RPG but in Baldur's Gate (2) or Planescape Torment it's brilliantly done. While the more common (Asian) console RPG's are closer to the original dice rolling like you do in pen and paper games like Dungeon's & Dragon's, Vampire or Shadowrun (by the way there is a cool Shadowrun RPG available for the SNES and the PC Game Vampire the Masquerade is one of my favorites, too). The fighting in most console RPG's is round based you choose a spell, healing potion, or attack the enemy, then its his turn that continues until one dies. That's like it is done in the Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest/Warrior and so on series.
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