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| 6 MAY 2003 at 8:23pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I just looked at my copy of TLJ and there was no rating on it.
That's weird, I thought all games were required to come with ratings nowadays. It says M on my box, in the lower right hand corner of the front cover. It also says M on their website and on Amazon.com and other online vendors.
All swearing does is show a lack of vocabulary and intelligence
What the f*ck are you f*cking talking about. I totally disagree. I mean, holy f*ck I f*ckin disagree like a f*ckin motherf*cker.
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 9:33pm |
VectorIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By MichalN (6 MAY 2003 8:01pm)
In fact I know a few highly intelligent people who cuss a lot.
Lets not bring your mom into this.
Anyway, back to the reality. Swearing just is not reality or acceptable. I wouldn't give a business report laced with profanities just as a student wouldn't write a term paper with F-bombs all over it. People don't go into job interviews swearing at their prospective employer and you rarely see a live interview where someone accidently lets one slip.
So, where is the reality? Even this forum has software which prohibits you from typing obscenities.
Back to my earlier question - Would TLJ have been a worse game without the swearing?
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 9:35pm |
VectorIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | [quote author=jujigatame link=board=HotSpot;num=1052096502;start=15#26 date=05/06/03 at 16:22:36
What the f*ck are you f*cking talking about. I totally disagree. I mean, holy f*ck I f*ckin disagree like a f*ckin motherf*cker.
I think juji's trying to help my point.
We may have years, we may have hours, but sooner or later we push up flowers.
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 9:51pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By rumtilyerdum (6 MAY 2003 9:32pm)
Anyway, back to the reality. Swearing just is not reality or acceptable.
That's kind of like saying that because hard drugs are not acceptable, they aren't reality.
I wouldn't give a business report laced with profanities just as a student wouldn't write a term paper with F-bombs all over it. People don't go into job interviews swearing at their prospective employer and you rarely see a live interview where someone accidently lets one slip.
And? When I was a student, I did not include swear words in my term papers. Then again, when I talked to my peers, I also did not use the same language that I used in a paper.
What does that prove? That different styles are appropriate for different audiences? But we knew that already, didn't we?
So, where is the reality? Even this forum has software which prohibits you from typing obscenities.
Not really, just clumsily attempts to mask them after the fact.
Back to my earlier question - Would TLJ have been a worse game without the swearing?
Yes.
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 10:26pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MichalN (6 MAY 2003 9:51pm)
Yes.
You can't be that sure I don't think it would've been worst, just a bit less realistic. Just think about this - without the swearing, no one would say "hey, she should have sweared there!".
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 10:27pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Actually, Michal is totally correct on this one in my opinion. Just because it's not appropriate in all situations (or in your opinion, any situation) doesn't mean it's not real. By that standard games shouldn't depict anything against the law.
Oh, and I hate saying this because I think it makes me sound like a jerk, but I got an 800 verbal on my SATs, so please don't question my f*cking vocabulary.
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 10:42pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Rael (6 MAY 2003 10:25pm)
You can't be that sure
I was making a point
I don't think it would've been worst, just a bit less realistic. Just think about this - without the swearing, no one would say "hey, she should have sweared there!".
True, but that's no argument. If April's mother hadn't been a dragon, how many people whould have said, "hey, her mother should have been a dragon!"?
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 10:50pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MichalN (6 MAY 2003 10:42pm)
True, but that's no argument.
Yes, it is
If April's mother hadn't been a dragon, how many people whould have said, "hey, her mother should have been a dragon!"?
My point is that it wouldn't have changed that much. Swearing or not, the game remains basically the same.
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 10:53pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Rael (6 MAY 2003 10:49pm)
Yes, it is
No, it isn't!
My point is that it wouldn't have changed that much. Swearing or not, the game remains basically the same.
OK, I'll repeat myself Yes, you are correct, the game would remain essentially the same. However an identical argument could be applied to nearly every other aspect of the game. There is an almost infinite amount of details that could be taken out and the game would remain basically the same. Therefore I cannot accept this as a valid argument.
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 11:01pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MichalN (6 MAY 2003 10:53pm)
No, it isn't!
It is!
OK, I'll repeat myself Yes, you are correct, the game would remain essentially the same. However an identical argument could be applied to nearly every other aspect of the game. There is an almost infinite amount of details that could be taken out and the game would remain basically the same. Therefore I cannot accept this as a valid argument.
But it proves what I'm saying. No one would have noticed the lack of swearing, therefore it wouldn't change anything. If April's mother was a dragon, a lot of people would notice that. "That makes no f*ucking sense!". But think of this: what if I had just said "that makes no sense!"? A-HA! (tm) The essence remains the same! Nothing changed. I win
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 11:07pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Rael (6 MAY 2003 11:01pm)
It is!
It isn't!
But it proves what I'm saying. No one would have noticed the lack of swearing, therefore it wouldn't change anything.
What next? If TLJ had never existed, no one would notice that it is "missing" either, wouldn't you say? What does that prove?
"That makes no f*ucking sense!". But think of this: what if I had just said "that makes no sense!"? A-HA! The essence remains the same! Nothing changed. I win
The essence remains the same but the execution is much worse. It doesn't have the style and it lacks the impact. I win
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 11:15pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MichalN (6 MAY 2003 11:07pm)
It isn't!
Oh, this is futile!
What next? If TLJ had never existed, no one would notice that it is "missing" either, wouldn't you say? What does that prove?
But if TLJ would had never existed we wouldn't be having this argument so that's not a valid argument either!
The essence remains the same but the execution is much worse. It doesn't have the style and it lacks the impact. I win
No, you don't!
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 11:20pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Rael (6 MAY 2003 11:15pm)
Oh, this is futile!
Indeed. You aren't presenting any sensible counterarguments. I can't argue with you that way
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 11:29pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MichalN (6 MAY 2003 11:20pm)
Indeed. You aren't presenting any sensible counterarguments. I can't argue with you that way
That's not even an argument
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 11:33pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Rael (6 MAY 2003 11:29pm)
That's not even an argument
No, it was merely a complaint or a frustrated sigh. I can't argue with you if you don't want to argue sensibly
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 11:48pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MichalN (6 MAY 2003 11:33pm)
No, it was merely a complaint or a frustrated sigh. I can't argue with you if you don't want to argue sensibly
Come think of it, we aren't having an argument because we agreed. What we did was state our points in different ways although both of them valid. But I was the first to state it. Therefore I'm the winner
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 11:56pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Rael (6 MAY 2003 11:47pm)
Come think of it, we aren't having an argument because we agreed. What we did was state our points in different ways although both of them valid. But I was the first to state it. Therefore I'm the winner
You aren't expecting me to accept that are you?
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| 7 MAY 2003 at 12:03am |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MichalN (6 MAY 2003 11:56pm)
You aren't expecting me to accept that are you?
It makes d**n too much sense, why not?
Actually, you don't have any options
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| 7 MAY 2003 at 12:08am |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Rael (7 MAY 2003 12:03am)
It makes d**n too much sense, why not?
Too much sense? There's no such thing!
Actually, you don't have any options
No? Err... I don't know what to say... how about this: that's f*cking bullsh*t dude!
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| 7 MAY 2003 at 12:15am |
AndromusGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Oy vey, did I say I didn't want to open up the swearing debate again?
Do you think on some alternate Earth they're talking about what TLJ would have been like if it would have had swearing?
I suppose it comes down to what was mentioned earlier about what an individual is used to hearing. What I find jarring may be different to others more casual about swearing.
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| 7 MAY 2003 at 12:32am |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Andromus (7 MAY 2003 12:15am)
Oy vey, did I say I didn't want to open up the swearing debate again?
You did?
I suppose it comes down to what was mentioned earlier about what an individual is used to hearing. What I find jarring may be different to others more casual about swearing.
Swearing is a curious thing - it exists only because people don't want it to.
What I mean to say is - words cannot be intrinsically vulgar. They can only be considered vulgar if people choose to do so. That is the reason why some words which used to be swearwords aren't any longer (not sure if it can work the other way).
If everyone accepted the words at "face value" and considered only their primary meaning, swear words couldn't exist. I think that's a pretty d*mn funny paradox
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| 7 MAY 2003 at 1:01am |
AndromusGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MichalN (7 MAY 2003 12:31am)
Swearing is a curious thing - it exists only because people don't want it to.
What I mean to say is - words cannot be intrinsically vulgar. They can only be considered vulgar if people choose to do so. That is the reason why some words which used to be swearwords aren't any longer (not sure if it can work the other way).
If everyone accepted the words at "face value" and considered only their primary meaning, swear words couldn't exist. I think that's a pretty d*mn funny paradox
That's a good point. Among other examples, I've wondered what kind of cultural or etymological developments occured to allow me use words like "excrement", "muck", or "manure" without thought, but "s---" raises mental taboos in me. And when viewed that way, most of the debate seems meaningless, especially when looking at the spectrum of cultural idiosyncrasies. Some cultures find the handshake, the "thumbs up" or the victory sign offensive, which seem harmless to me as an American.
Not that my reasoning it out makes me anymore comfortable saying "F---"! or "S---"! :-/
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| 7 MAY 2003 at 4:57am |
CyberHippieIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Warning, the following link contains swearing.
http://www.LittleMikey.com/properenglish.htm
I just couldn't resist.
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| 7 MAY 2003 at 11:11am |
HelenGuild Master
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Status : Offline | There was swearing in GK1? ??? Couldnt have been that bad, its been years since I've played it but dont remember ANY swearing. I DO remember alot of swearing in TLJ, thought they over did it a little bit, but cant say that it bothered me, did get a chuckle from it now and then. It might have bothered me if my children were younger, because then I would have had to make sure they werent around to much when I played, and when they're young, thats not an easy task.
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