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| 4 MAY 2003 at 11:07pm |
GayleSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I played GK1 so long ago, I don't remember the swearing and the swearing in TLJ didn't bother me. Maybe it is my makeup, swear words are just words to me and the more someone uses them the less the impact on me.
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| 4 MAY 2003 at 11:22pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | To be honest, I can't remember any swearing in GK1... it was probably well under a level I consider "noteworthy" (but then that level is probably pretty high already)
Originally Posted By Gayle (4 MAY 2003 11:07pm)
Maybe it is my makeup, swear words are just words to me and the more someone uses them the less the impact on me.
That's a good point. If every other word is a swear word, they completely lose their "power". They just become filler.
One could perhaps go a step further and theorise that for maximum effectiveness, swear words must be used very sparingly. Sort of like spices - if it's overdone, the result is not palatable. That precaution will provide the necessary counterpoint and the impact will be f*cking great (pardon my French)
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| 4 MAY 2003 at 11:41pm |
dombrewerGuild Master
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I wonder why we find it even a topic for debate? (which it is, I know.) We hear increasingly foul language in films that are meant to be for kids.... and let's face it, no one swears as much or appreciates swearing as much as those little b*stards.
If in films - and in popular music (gangsta rap, you go' dam' mo' fo' hoe.) - why not in games? Or are we stuck in a politically correct timewarp?
Here's a thought - too few of the adventure games we play are actually set "in life" - in ancient Egypt, or in Atlantis (*puke* ) or Myst island or wherever - but not the here and now, and if they are they are still fantastical (like the GK games). Are our game developers not speaking to us by avoiding "real life" games and situations? Could this be the solution to the waning popularity (uh-oh) of the adventure game..... :
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| 4 MAY 2003 at 11:45pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | I have the same feeling - I can't remember any swearing in GK1. I guess it was very mild. Or maybe it was well used. Can't say the same with TLJ. While I wasn't bothered by the bad language, I did get the feeling that it was overdone. I think what got on my nerves was that attempt to "let's get modern and use swearing whenever we can".
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| 5 MAY 2003 at 12:08am |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By dombrewer (4 MAY 2003 11:40pm)
Are our game developers not speaking to us by avoiding "real life" games and situations? Could this be the solution to the waning popularity (uh-oh) of the adventure game..... :
That's an interesting point. I was just going over a list of adventure games I played... and almost none are set in the present world and even fewer are "realistic".
Here are the "contemporary" games from my list: Bad Mojo, Broken Sword, Gabriel Knight, Hopkins: FBI, Police Quest and Runaway (there were some 100 adventures on the list).
Of those, only Police Quest is completely realistic. Maybe Runaway. All the others are - let's say not very believable (that of course doesn't make them bad games!).
Edit: I just remembered another contemporary and realistic game (probably because the DVD is right here on my desk!) - Tender Loving Care. Although I'm not sure it counts as a "pure" adventure. I don't recall if TLC has swearing in it, but there's sex, and that from what I understand is even more detrimental to the moral health of the society
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| 5 MAY 2003 at 12:53am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I actually appreciate some curses in my adventures, just because I hear them in everyday speech and it makes the game feel more realistic. It can be counter-productive if overdone, though.
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| 5 MAY 2003 at 4:26am |
JoGuild Master
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Status : Offline | I don't recall swearing in GK1 - only played it last year, but I think there was a bit in GK2 or 3 or both, however nowhere near as much as in TLJ. Can't say it bothers me, you hear it on T.V. all the time here - nothings sacred anymore and everything goes.
I remember looking up b**ger in the dictionary as a kid because I heard my father say it was the "filthiest word in the English language". Well it probably was (to his mind anway) in those days, but even then the Oxford dictionary had 2 different meanings, one of course having intercourse with animals (presumably the meaning he objected to!), the other just meaning "you silly so and so, as in silly b**ger.
Anyway I tend to agree with Rael regarding TLJ, the swearing to me almost seemed to be just put in for the effect and sort of out of context or not natural, most people wouldn't swear quite like that most of the time. It didn't matter but didn't enhance the game in any way and became a bit repetitive and boring - once or twice would have been quite enough.
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| 5 MAY 2003 at 10:35am |
ElfstoneGuild Master
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Status : Online | I don't care much about swearing, but perhaps TLJ is more of a kid game than GK and that might explain it.
Plus, I can't remember any swearing in GK.
GK3, yes.
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| 5 MAY 2003 at 10:51am |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | Longest Journey had some swearing but i don't think that it spoiled the game! On the contrary, it made it look more....real!!!
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| 5 MAY 2003 at 11:15am |
KsandraSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I agree with Godfather about the swearing in TLJ. I was surprised by it at first, but I liked it because it made the dialogue sound more realistic. There were actually only a couple of characters who swore a lot, and plenty of people do talk like that in real life (I've met some). The only problem as far as I'm concerned is that it made the game less suitable for children, but then there were quite a lot of 'adult' themes in TLJ anyway.
I'm not sure of this, but I get the feeling that British people tend to be less bothered by swearing than Americans. Am I right about that? I remember hearing that this was part of the reason there was trouble finding a publisher for TLJ in the US.
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| 5 MAY 2003 at 11:31am |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | Hmmm, you are probably right about the children thing :-/.
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| 5 MAY 2003 at 2:08pm |
CyberHippieIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | I didn't really think there was too much swearing at all in TLJ. In fact had I been April in that situation I know I probably would have been swearing a blue streak. I think it adds to the realism of a game. We do have a rating system on games, and I have no problem at all with games being rated for mature players, having lots of swearing. I think it makes it way more realistic. That being said it should not be overdone and it should be used appropriatley.
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| 5 MAY 2003 at 3:13pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Godfather (5 MAY 2003 10:51am)
Longest Journey had some swearing but i don't think that it spoiled the game! On the contrary, it made it look more....real!!!
Yeah, April's character makes it more fun to play TLJ. I liked it and had no problems with it. It was nothing like over the top swearing or anything . I think her swearing was in the right place where she should swear. (Heck, I don't know what I'm talking about)
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 6:26am |
| Deleted User | April was OK, Flipper was on the edge of reason. I just wanted to take a f*cking knife to his f*cking digital f*cking throat every f*cking time he opened his f*cking mouth. For f*ck's sakes.
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 7:32am |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By monkeybone (6 MAY 2003 6:26am)
April was OK, Flipper was on the edge of reason. I just wanted to take a f*cking knife to his f*cking digital f*cking throat every f*cking time he opened his f*cking mouth. For f*ck's sakes. I take this one as "i really like Flipper", right?
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 8:10am |
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 10:06am |
VectorIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | I'm not a big fan of cursing in games and while most of the swearing in TLJ was mild the Flipper character was way over the top.
I do have small children who like to watch me play games and I dont believe that obscenities create a "realism" to games at all.
One simple question - If the game were made without the swearing, would that have taken away from the quality or the experience of the game?
My answer to that is no, so I find no need for it in this game.
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 3:10pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I thought Flipper was hysterical. I know people that curse every other word and it was nice to see one do it in a game. It didn't seem over the top because he was the only character doing it.
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 3:46pm |
VorpaxSpace Cadet
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Status : Online | Hmm I do not remeber much swearing in gk1 if it was it was slight, I would have to play it to be sure. As for tlj I was surprised it was in the game and got a few funny comments like “what the hell are you doing on there" heh. But it didn’t bother me and I didn’t let in get in the way of enjoying the game.
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 5:03pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By rumtilyerdum (6 MAY 2003 10:06am)
I do have small children who like to watch me play games and I dont believe that obscenities create a "realism" to games at all.
Can you please explain to me how imitating reality does not add realism?
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 5:34pm |
CyberHippieIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | I have to add my $0.02 in here. I thought flipper was great, he made me chuckle. In my every day life I encounter a lot of swearing, so for me it really does make it more realistic when chacters are speaking they way I would expect normal people to speak.
There seems to be a very diverse range of game players here, so I totally understand that the swearing may not be for everyone, especially if kids are around. However I would also suggest that perhaps a game that's rated for mature players that could have swearing shouldn't be played around children.
I guess that's kind of a tough thing though, because there are so few new adventures coming out we all want to play them all. Perhaps it would be a nice feature if games started having an option to 'keep it clean'. That way everyone gets to enjoy the game.
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 6:56pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | The game's rated M. That means don't play it around your kid if you're concerned about adult content. You can't say you weren't warned.
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 7:47pm |
VectorIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By MichalN (6 MAY 2003 5:03pm)
Can you please explain to me how imitating reality does not add realism?
I believe you are implying that cursing is a part of our culture therefore "real". Its sad that many feel a need to swear to fit in or sound cool, especially the younger of us, perhaps as we mature we will get over this.
All swearing does is show a lack of vocabulary and intelligence
I still don't think swearing is "reality", most people I know don't overtly try or want to swear and I believe the vast majority of people in the world are the same.
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| 6 MAY 2003 at 7:58pm |
VectorIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By jujigatame (6 MAY 2003 6:56pm)
The game's rated M. That means don't play it around your kid if you're concerned about adult content. You can't say you weren't warned.
I just looked at my copy of TLJ and there was no rating on it. It said - recommended for ages 11 and up.
I did however read the reviews before playing and I did not let my kids watch.
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