| 30 APR 2003 at 10:23pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Monsey_Joe (30 APR 2003 10:18pm)
Isn't it strange that the only real piece of action I've seen is in an adventure game? Most action games involve repeatedly clicking the shoot button. It was only in The Last Express that you had to judge the other guys movements and react accordingly.
They should make action games like that.
i don't play action games but afaik there are a lot action games that you don't have to just click the shoot button... examples that come to mind right away: hitman 2, metal gear solid... but yes they should make more action games like that, AND leave the action part out of the adventures
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| 30 APR 2003 at 10:32pm |
Friday the 14thSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I only play action games on playstation. I love the Syphon Filter and Medal of Honor series.
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| 30 APR 2003 at 11:32pm |
Monsey_JoeIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | I haven't played the games you mention. Are they similar to the action sequences in The Last Express where you had to make your move depending on the way the sword was raised?
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| 1 MAY 2003 at 12:37am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Isn't it strange that the only real piece of action I've seen is in an adventure game? Most action games involve repeatedly clicking the shoot button. It was only in The Last Express that you had to judge the other guys movements and react accordingly.
They should make action games like that.
Sorry, but this is one of the most ignorant things I've ever read.
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| 1 MAY 2003 at 12:49am |
Friday the 14thSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By jujigatame (1 MAY 2003 12:36am)
Sorry, but this is one of the most ignorant things I've ever read.
There is a differense between not having knowledge in a matter and not having wisdom. You can always get knowledge, if you're not wise you have to live with it.
@Monsey: They're not a least bit similar. I haven't played TLE though (can't find it) so I don't know any similar game. You use a sword In "ie by the Sword" and "Redguard" dunno any other games.
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| 1 MAY 2003 at 12:57am |
Monsey_JoeIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | In what way is it ignorant? I haven't played all that many action games but most I played have the press fight button repeatedly approach.
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| 1 MAY 2003 at 1:01am |
adventuredogGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Monsey_Joe (30 APR 2003 10:18pm)
Isn't it strange that the only real piece of action I've seen is in an adventure game? Most action games involve repeatedly clicking the shoot button. It was only in The Last Express that you had to judge the other guys movements and react accordingly.
They should make action games like that.
Interesting observation. Ironic. I am not an "action" fan, but I did find the action sequences in The Last Express some of the most tolerable that I have come across. They involved real thought and reaction.
On the whole though I agree with Aya - please "leave the action part out of the adventures"
Friday - I think you would enjoy TLE - have you done a google search?
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| 1 MAY 2003 at 1:14am |
Jenny100Guild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Monsey_Joe (1 MAY 2003 12:56am)
In what way is it ignorant? I haven't played all that many action games but most I played have the press fight button repeatedly approach.
Which action games have you been playing anyway?
What are you considering to be an action game?
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| 1 MAY 2003 at 1:17am |
Monsey_JoeIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Friday, You should be able to get The Last Express on ebay for $10.00 or less. Check there.(I got it for $6.00 incl. shipping)
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| 1 MAY 2003 at 1:43am |
Monsey_JoeIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | The last 2 action games I played were LucasArts Outlaws and King's Quest Mask of Eternity. And generally you walked around pressing the fight button. So like adenturedog I was impressed by The Last Express action in comparison.
Jujugatame I am relatively ignorant when it comes to action games so please educate me and describe to me an action game which use action like the Last Express.
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| 1 MAY 2003 at 3:31am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Oh gimme a break. Last Express's action sequences were cool but very simplistic, and the fact that you're saying they're better than whole action games is just silly. I haven't played either of the games you mentioned there (they're not exactly considered the pinnacle of action gaming) but you are truly oversimplifying action games to a ridiculous degree.
In any good FPS, just to use that subgenre as an example, you are not just firing, but aiming with precision, using cover and strafing to avoid fire, using stealth to sneak up on enemies, using varied weapons and tactics to make difficult battles easier, exploring new levels and areas and staying alert for incoming enemies, etcetera.
Saying action games are just "pushing the attack/fire button" is like saying adventure games are just "clicking on hotspots and watching stuff happen."
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| 1 MAY 2003 at 4:57am |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Monsey_Joe (1 MAY 2003 12:56am)
In what way is it ignorant? I haven't played all that many action games but most I played have the press fight button repeatedly approach. You should listen to Aya! Hitman isn't click click and bangs! Also splinter cell...
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| 1 MAY 2003 at 5:11am |
nytimesguyPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | There are actually a good many games that require one to be aware of what your opponent is doing. A common thing is to have an opponent that will do certain things in order. For example, a bad guy will yell something at you and then do a super move that will leave him temporarily winded, giving you a chance to attack. And it's quite common to have fighting games in which you must can parry attacks (requiring you to judge whether the attack is low, medium or high and parrying in the right spot) and can then counterattack. And in the best shooters, like Half-Life, your opponents are very smart, and will throw grenades at you and hide, requiring you to really have to figure out how to take them out.
I haven't played Outlaws, but if Mask of Eternity is typical of the action games you played then it's no wonder you're disappointed by action games. Mask was an attempt to graft action onto an adventure game, the result being a game that failed miserably as both an action and adventure game.
Interesting action games are Thief, which actually is a kind of avoid-action game and Half-Life. I can't recommend any fighting games because the ones I like best are the DOA series, but this are generally criticized for being "button mashing" games that require little technique. Stay away from RPGs like Baldur's Gate, in which you just (like Mask) click on monsters until they die.
Actually, a good basketball game is probably a good example of a game that requires you to respond to the other characters.
I don't really remember the action in Last Express, but I wrote a review at the time in which I said I thought there should have been an option to skip the action sequences, so I guess I didn't much care for them.
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| 1 MAY 2003 at 5:53am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Stay away from RPGs like Baldur's Gate, in which you just (like Mask) click on monsters until they die.
Geez, can we stay away from the stupid oversimplifications for five minutes? If you play a game like Baldur's Gate by simply "clicking on monsters until they die" you are:
a) Missing the point of the game.
b) Probably not very good at the game, seeing that you are using absolutely no strategy whatsoever.
Diablo and its action-RPG ilk are more of the "click until they die variety" but still require a modicum of strategy. Those types of games are in the minority, however.
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| 1 MAY 2003 at 6:17am |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | Diablo was click until everybody die but you had to choose the right weapon to make your work easier, faster and of course safer. Baldur's Gate wasn't just point and kill...
However, i don't think that point and click games, in general, can have a particularly deep gameplay! I am not talking about adventure games cause in my opinion a good adventure game is a point and click adventure game (Grim Fandango is out). For instance, because we speak about RPGs, Morrowind had a particularly deep gameplay so you may check this one.
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| 1 MAY 2003 at 11:03am |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | erm.....................................ahem..........................Dimi i might agree with you in a way but this is no reason to insult another member of these forums!!!!
just cut it...relax...and state your opinion openly.......
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| 1 MAY 2003 at 11:06am |
dimidimidimiSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Ok, I'll delete my previous post then and just stick to PM...
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| 1 MAY 2003 at 11:15am |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By dimidimidimi (1 MAY 2003 11:06am)
Ok, I'll delete my previous post then and just stick to PM... Although this isn't the solution i wanted ....it does the trick cause, i think, that only you and me know about it .
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| 1 MAY 2003 at 11:35am |
dimidimidimiSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Well it's not about people not knowing what I said about jujigatame, I still think what I think about him and if somebody wants to know I can tell them anytime...
Just check this thread and show me one single post where he respected the opinion of another person. I just deleted it because some people don't like to see flaming...
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| 1 MAY 2003 at 2:25pm |
nytimesguyPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Well it's not about people not knowing what I said about jujigatame, I still think what I think about him and if somebody wants to know I can tell them anytime...
Just check this thread and show me one single post where he respected the opinion of another person. I just deleted it because some people don't like to see flaming...
I'm assuming you took jujigatame to task? When someone starts posting hostile comments like that I'm always tempted to say, chill out bud, but doing that can often just increase the hostility of the thread, so sometimes it just seems better to ignore these people and hope they mature quickly.
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| 1 MAY 2003 at 3:48pm |
| Deleted User | Dimi's maturing! ( @ Dimi)
No, there's really no reason to go insulting peoples tastes and opinions at all. But you can argue with them sensibly unless they really are being a)offensive or b)totally closed minded.
These forums seem to suffer from both of the above - hell, I've done my fair share of flaming, but I tend not to. However, Juji is being rather unfair on someone who merely lacks experience.
@ Juji - I don't know about how good your English is, but the use of the word "ignorant" in this case is just demeaning to the other person and reads that way. Soz, man, but that's the way it is... however, I do get your point about using your brains in a shooter in that way.
I've just come off a demo of Chaser, and whilst I lament the lack of subtlety and lean function, I found myself using cover more than I'd usually do in a shooter. I'm interested in seeing how this one fares in the reviews... it's good, but not great, yet the atmosphere is rather interesting.
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| 1 MAY 2003 at 4:30pm |
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Status : Online | I have to say that big cudo's to joe for not loosing it and remaining civil after that kind of treatment! Way to go, man!
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| 1 MAY 2003 at 5:34pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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The original post WAS ignorant, and my usage of the english language was quite appropriate in saying so. Last Express is a great game, but saying its action sequences are deeper in gameplay than most whole action games is ridiculous and in part, insulting. You may not enjoy action games, and that's fine, but that post is still a ludicrous and ignorant one, especially the "they should make action games like that" part.
dimi -
Say what you want about me. This is an internet message board, I don't give a shit what you say about me. It's not about respecting someone's opinion. You don't like action games, fine, that's great, more power to you. Just don't make assinine generalizations about how "most action games involve repeatedly clicking the shoot button" or "games like Baldur's Gate just have you clicking on things until they die" because they're not based in reality.
Like I said, saying action games are just "pressing the shoot button" or RPGs are just "clicking on things until they die" is like saying adventures are just "clicking on hotspots." It's inaccurate and just plain silly.
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| 1 MAY 2003 at 5:52pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By jujigatame (1 MAY 2003 5:34pm)
The original post WAS ignorant, and my usage of the english language was quite appropriate in saying so.
It is perfectly possible to disagree with people in a civilized manner. You do not appear to possess that capability.
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