| 14 JUN 2003 at 10:31pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Good lord I hate this "you should be thankful because they make adventure games" crap. Sorry, but I'd rather play any number of "oom clones" over anything DC has put out there, since I'm assuming you're putting every FPS under the sun under the "oom clone" banner.
Why don't you just make your own game, publish it, and then complain?
This type of reasoning is idiotic and someone tries to use it whenever somebody criticizes a game, movie, or anything they like. Osiris already debunked it so I won't bother.
You're behaving as if they had some kind of obligation to you, to produce games that you'll like. Well, it's not that way. If you don't like them, don't buy them. Nobody forces you to buy their games.
They have no obligation, you're right about that, but as a consumer I can speak my mind about their products. I just chose to use a phraseology some found offensive.
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| 14 JUN 2003 at 11:49pm |
Bob_the_BuilderJourneyman
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Status : Online | But I think they're getting better. I never actually liked them until they released Syberia. I liked Dracula 1 but I thought that was a fluke since their other games seemed sub par. But there are some games from them that I look forward to and I do respect them for what they're trying.
Painkiller (ironically a Doom clone, or clone of Serious Sam, whatever)
Battlecruiser Generations
Schism 2 (finally an adventure game that uses a 3-d engine)
Jane Jensen's game
Broken Sword 3
I think that their first 4 or so years sucked but they really needed the money and that's why they released some of those games. They've taken a turn for the better though.
What's wrong with saying a game sucks though? I think that if a game is bad, we can says it sucks. That's not arrogence, that's an opinion. In fact, I don't see how arrogence is related to an opinion of a game at all unless you're saying that your own game is better than everyone elses which makes 3-d realms the most arrogent company ever.
NO SOUP FOR YOU!
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| 15 JUN 2003 at 4:45am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Bob, I hope you're right, maybe they'll turn it around and prove me wrong. Remember, it's not like I'm sitting here going "man, I hope DC comes out with some more crappy games so that I can continue to badmouth them." If they can put out some winners, more power to them.
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| 17 JUN 2003 at 11:20pm |
| Deleted User | Believe me, I don't. And believe me, when I say Dreamcatcher publishes largely subpar games, I am going on more than my own dislike of Myst-clones.
Just because I personally dislike it doesn't make it bad, but just because you personally like it, doesn't make it good, u dig?
What do you consider a Myst clone? You just criticized JonasKyratzes for calling FPS games Doom clones. We have a double standard here.
In any case, I'm not saying that all "Myst clones" are good. I played Beyond Time and The Crystal Key which are both not very good games- I enjoyed playing them but they were not very interesting and had many serious flaws. Likewise, I played Schizm which you seem to consider a "Myst clone" as well but it is a much higher quality game than Beyond Time.
The fact that I enjoyed Myst et al makes me a better judge than someone who hates not only Beyond Time, Crystal Key and Schizm, but the entire Myst series, Zork Nemesis, Amber, Dark Fall and The Journeyman Project simply because they are first-person, exploration-based games.
As soon as they release third-person games like the Jane Jensen game and Broken Sword 3 I am sure you will love Dreamcatcher.
I just don't see the point of this aggressive 'this company sucks' attitude. Perhaps indeed their games suck. You have every right to that opinion. And you can say "I didn't like that game" or "I don't like the games they make". But this attitude? I don't like that. You're behaving as if they had some kind of obligation to you, to produce games that you'll like. Well, it's not that way. If you don't like them, don't buy them. Nobody forces you to buy their games.
And that's why this thread is not constructive. Instead of detailing what exactly is wrong with Dreamcatcher you keep repeating that the entire company sucks. If someone from Dreamcatcher read this they would simply get angry. It is better to tell someone how they can improve rather than tell them that they suck. And game developers do frequent this forum you know- we aren't just yammering to ourselves.
If you disagree with one of my posts, as most of you do, you write a rebuttal telling me what is wrong with my arguments- you don't start a thread called "oes Fickfack Just Suck?" Yet when you dislike some of Dreamcatcher's games you decide that they suck and boycott the company. What good will that do?
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| 18 JUN 2003 at 6:01am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Ok, you got me on the Myst-clones thing. It was a bad term to use after criticizing "oom clone". I should have said Myst-style adventure or something like that. However, Myst-clone is not as far off the mark as you'd think. Saying 1st-person adventure really isn't enough because as we said before, the Tex Murphy series is in 1st-person but it's really not Myst-like at all. Also, "1st-person exploration" really isn't the term I was looking for either, since I like Zork Nemesis and Mission Critical, and some other games of this type. When I say Myst-clone, I mean a game with a combination of factors that prevent me from enjoying it, such as lack of character interaction or dialogue, or more importantly, the lack of a strong plot driving the actions of the player throughout the length of the game, and puzzles primarily of the "gadget" variety that do not factor into the driving story in any obviously meaningful way.
As soon as they release third-person games like the Jane Jensen game and Broken Sword 3 I am sure you will love Dreamcatcher.
Not if they suck, I won't.
And that's why this thread is not constructive.
Who said this thread was meant to be constructive? I just saw that a majority of the people around here love DC whereas I always saw them as a publisher with a spotty, unimpressive track record, so I decided to stir the pot, as it were.
Instead of detailing what exactly is wrong with Dreamcatcher you keep repeating that the entire company sucks.
I think I've detailed it plenty. I have noted their largely subpar library of titles, and noted why a few in specific were considered subpar by the gaming community. What more do you want me to detail?
Yet when you dislike some of Dreamcatcher's games you decide that they suck and boycott the company. What good will that do?
First of all, I don't say they suck because "some" of their games are subpar. I say it because it's a large majority. If I said a company sucked when it made "some" bad games, every company out there would suck, with a few exceptions.
Second of all, I have not boycotted the company. I never said that. If they come out with some good stuff, I'll pick it up.
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| 18 JUN 2003 at 6:13am |
auroraIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | If you want to give out your Visa or Mastercard details online ...... and LIVE in the USA AMAZON is probably a good idea ..... unless your Bank doesn't cover you. In FOREIGN countries .... buying this way is NOT A GOOD IDEA ......
The World Banks are NOT USAmerican and if you are, for example, living in the UK, Germany, France, Brazil or anywhere else ... they have their own RULES ....
If you MUST buy online do it with a "local" company who will cover your "losses" up to a point, via YOUR countries laws and rules.
Under INTERNATONAL Law ... YOU are responsible .... so don't blame Companies for your online purchases.
There's definitely, definitely definitely no logic to humen behaviour.
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| 18 JUN 2003 at 6:13am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Aurora, are you sure you're on the right thread?
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| 18 JUN 2003 at 1:36pm |
szcaxJourneyman
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Status : Online | Boil the ramen as usual, but add hot peppers to water. Remove peppers after cooked (optional, but it's highly recomended). Do not add flavor packet. Add worshestershire sauce and pez to bowl. Mix noodles and broth with cooked rice. Dump flavor packet over it. Stir. Eat.
Black holes are where God divided by zero
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| 18 JUN 2003 at 2:00pm |
| Deleted User | Wiping off the spark plugs should fix it.
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| 18 JUN 2003 at 2:57pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Well, this thread just derailed.
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| 18 JUN 2003 at 5:42pm |
| Deleted User | KERRRRASH!
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| 18 JUN 2003 at 11:39pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Aurora (18 JUN 2003 6:12am)
If you want to give out your Visa or Mastercard details online ...... and LIVE in the USA AMAZON is probably a good idea ..... unless your Bank doesn't cover you. In FOREIGN countries .... buying this way is NOT A GOOD IDEA ......
The World Banks are NOT USAmerican and if you are, for example, living in the UK, Germany, France, Brazil or anywhere else ... they have their own RULES ....
If you MUST buy online do it with a "local" company who will cover your "losses" up to a point, via YOUR countries laws and rules.
Under INTERNATONAL Law ... YOU are responsible .... so don't blame Companies for your online purchases.
Aurora,
Credit card fraud might be the solution to this problem. If the credit card you're using isn't your own, then you don't run the risk of losing money to identity theft. Plus, the bill for your online purchases is sent to your friend and not to you. Failing that, if you have a scanner you can scan images of paper money into the fax machine and the online vendor can print them and use them for their own purchases. There is no need to subject oneself to unnecessary risks online.
Well, this thread just derailed.
If you bought better thread, it wouldn't keep jumping the tracks like that. Trains are big and heavy while economy thread is very delicate stuff. Buy iron thread for maximum results. If it still derails, you could sew yourself lead socks with it.
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| 19 JUN 2003 at 3:41pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Fickfack, what you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
P.S. C still sucks.
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| 19 JUN 2003 at 6:23pm |
sennebecGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (19 JUN 2003 3:40pm)
Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.
P.S. DC still sucks.
it and you...
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| 19 JUN 2003 at 7:26pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | So do I suck, or are you dumber for having listened to me, or both?
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| 19 JUN 2003 at 7:38pm |
sennebecGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (19 JUN 2003 7:25pm)
So do I suck, or are you dumber for having listened to me, or both?
hmmm... good question
after re-reading my previous post, i can see that i should clarify...
you do not suck...
dreamcather does not suck...
yet i do feel dumber for reading your posts... :
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| 19 JUN 2003 at 7:48pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | You may FEEL dumber, but in reality, you have reached a state of enlightenment. It's a funny feeling at first, but you'll get used to it.
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| 19 JUN 2003 at 8:02pm |
sennebecGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (19 JUN 2003 7:48pm)
You may FEEL dumber, but in reality, you have reached a state of enlightenment. It's a funny feeling at first, but you'll get used to it.
LOL... verrrry good come back, juji
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| 20 JUN 2003 at 9:30am |
| Deleted User | While on the topic of suckfests, the movie jujigatame's quote is from (Billy Madison) was so painfully bad that I'd rather trim my nostril hairs with a weed whacker that watch it again.
It's a pretty good quote, though.
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| 20 JUN 2003 at 10:42am |
| Deleted User | Fickfack, what you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
P.S. C still sucks.
Looks like I've been misunderstood again.
I've edited a smiley into my previous post.
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| 20 JUN 2003 at 3:47pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | While on the topic of suckfests, the movie jujigatame's quote is from (Billy Madison) was so painfully bad that I'd rather trim my nostril hairs with a weed whacker that watch it again.
I've seen worse. The penguin alone made it better than say ... Waterboy or Little Nicky.
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| 4 JUL 2003 at 4:53am |
LyradIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Well what really sucks about this whole thread is that I wasted my time reading any of it.
Dreamcatcher is the only reason North America has Adventure Games in distribution.
Please post an intelligent opening thread. God, and to think this is my first visit to this forum.
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| 4 JUL 2003 at 6:25am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Lyrad, thank you for your post. You have unwittingly extended the lifetime and legacy of this thread. Kudos!
To address the actual content of your post, no, DC is not the only company publishing adventure games in North America, but that's really all beside the point. I refuse to worship a company with a track record of mediocrity, just because they're "putting something out there." I would rather play nothing than 95% of what DC puts out there. Perhaps this will all change with BS3 and Jane J's new project, but until then, my opinion of DC remains quite low.
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| 4 JUL 2003 at 11:35pm |
AllanonJourneyman
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Status : Offline | Hey Juji , do you try to be the incorrigible human being that you are - or does it just come naturally ... I'm rather curious - how long will you care to debate for , JUJI !!! I can do it till I feel its warranted - which won't be long ... I was through " talking to brick walls a long time ago ... " . All the best to you JUJI !!!!
You only live once , but , if you live right , once is enough . Being happy takes work ...
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