| 5 MAY 2003 at 2:03am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I was just trying to give you the general consensus of reviewers opinions on these games. My point is, when a large majority of reviewers are calling a game mediocre, seriously flawed, etcetera, it's not a coincidence, and at some point you've got to realize it's a serious problem that games like this make up more than half of your library.
If DC really does hope that each of their products will become a blockbuster, they have been naive and sorely mistaken 90% of the time. Not exactly a good ratio.
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| 5 MAY 2003 at 5:20pm |
FrogmortonIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Point taken and I agree with the logic (maybe not the 90% though).
On a side note about reviews:
Personally, I don't purchase games on what the reviewers say and have often not cared much for a game that they love and have adored some games that they panned (except, of course, the reviewers here at JA ). That might be because I'm expecting so much from a touted game. I find that the regular Joe's feedback is much more informative and usually wait to hear what others think before I buy.
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| 5 MAY 2003 at 6:30pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I personally prefer reviews written by reviewers because they're less likely to be nutty, reactionary "this sux, it gets a 1" or "this rulz, it gets a 10" views on the game.
However, if you base your findings on user ratings at Gamespot or Gamerankings, the results are pretty similar. Subpar scores dominate. Syberia remains the only one recieving high praise.
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| 5 MAY 2003 at 11:52pm |
FrogmortonIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | "this rulz" "this sux"??? Oh no Juji, you've got to go HERE to get decent player reviews
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| 16 MAY 2003 at 9:50pm |
Bob_the_BuilderJourneyman
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Status : Online | Well I have to say, I have a lot more respect for Dreamcatcher and they're quickly going up the list of favorite publishers now that they're publishing Battecruiser: Generations, Broken Sword 3, Painkiller, and the Jane Jensen game. I'm glad there's someone around to publish obscure high quality games
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| 1 JUN 2003 at 7:31pm |
cesarbittarIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Offline | I tend to think the same as jujitagame (or whatever it is). I respect the adventure company from the perspective of going out there and showing the world that adventure games are still strong, and doing what others (Sierra, for example), stopped doing.
However, you can't compare The adventure company to Sierra. Never in your life. Like jujitagame said, they don;t have a single title where everybody agrees on "what a game!!!!" such as The Longest Journey, Gabriel Knight Series, Syberia (which is not theirs), Broken Sword, etc.
However, I must say that judging from their actions, they are realizing this. They joined forces with jane Jensen, and I hope that they stop releasing so many games at a year and focus on greater stories, plots, and games overall. Of course, they need to be finantially stable, and they could be jsut by doing what they started doing: publishing other's companies titles in the USA.
I've played a handful of their games. They are average games, that's all. I can't name one that I can say: wow! Sierra also produced some mediocre titles, but every once in a while they came with one that was groundbreaking and felt fresh. They modified engines, looked for new interfaces, etc. They *knew* how to make it work.
Now, again, I understand all this costs money, that they may prefer to sacrifice just to be able to go on. However, they still have dreamcatcher publishing other titles, and I think they could pull 2 really great adventures games a year rather than 6 average ones.
And last, but not least, I'm not saying that this is the rule (Myst and Tex murphy's adventures come to my mind as exceptions), but have you noticed at least 80% of the most acclaimed adventure games of all times are third person adventures? Why do they keep on doing just first-person adventures (with most of them just solving myst type puzzles and leaving the plot aside?)
I'm not saying they are awful, again, I think that they are a blessing for us adventure fans, but I do think they could do better. that's all IMO, anyway.
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| 1 JUN 2003 at 8:09pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Cesar, I agree with near every word. However, I wouldn't lump in Tex Murphy with Myst-type 1st person games, because the player controls a set character who has his own personality and is seen throughout much of the game. Anyway, I guess I'm just nitpicking, you made a great post.
I look forward to KQ9!
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| 1 JUN 2003 at 8:47pm |
cesarbittarIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Offline | and the text murphy games have great plots. yeah, definetely, text murphy is not in the same category, I was just referring to the first/third person perspective. Ironically enough, the first couple of Tex Murphy games (Mean Streets come to mind) were third person adventures. It was only after Under a Killing Moon, they went first person (and to be totally sure, Pandora's Directive, because I haven't played "moon" yet).
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| 11 JUN 2003 at 1:45am |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By glimpse (2 APR 2003 11:57pm)
Hey - email them and ask if they could "hire" Jane Jensen or Al Lowe. Talk about a win-win!
Lets also not forget Jordan Mechner author of the greatest adventure game ever made (IMO), The Last Express. That is a game screaming for the long awaited sequal! I mean can you imagine what the sequal would be like? Fully rendered 3D environment with the real time game play.
:drools just thinking about it:
* It never hurts to dream big!
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| 12 JUN 2003 at 2:25am |
adventuredogGuild Master
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Status : Offline | A sequel to The Last Express! Ahhhhhh! (with less combat please). That was an amazing production.
Back on topic: Wow! What a line-up for the upcoming year from DC/The Adventure Company! Looks like lots of great goodies in store for us!
Thanks Adventure Company!
Still adventuring after all these years!
Patiently awaiting The Last Crown: Haunting of Hallowed Isle, and Bracken Tor...
... and Asylum if it's not tooooo scary...
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| 12 JUN 2003 at 3:02am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | We shall see ...
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| 12 JUN 2003 at 3:17am |
adventuredogGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (12 JUN 2003 3:02am)
We shall see ... What a cynic! Perhaps you shall!
Still adventuring after all these years!
Patiently awaiting The Last Crown: Haunting of Hallowed Isle, and Bracken Tor...
... and Asylum if it's not tooooo scary...
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| 12 JUN 2003 at 5:51am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Shall I then? Or shall I not?
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| 12 JUN 2003 at 6:31am |
| Deleted User | I think you shall... BS3 and Schizm 2 look pretty good to me. I remain heavily optimistic.
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| 12 JUN 2003 at 4:31pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | BS3 could be quite cool, but I dunno about Schizm. Me and Myst-alikes are like oil and water.
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| 12 JUN 2003 at 6:07pm |
| Deleted User | Me and Myst-alikes are like oil and water.
Then don't play them. I quite enjoyed Schizm actually, and am looking forward to the sequel. If you don't like Myst-style games, that's fine, but don't say that Dreamcatcher games are bad because you don't like the style of game.
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| 13 JUN 2003 at 3:56pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Then don't play them.
Believe me, I don't. And believe me, when I say Dreamcatcher publishes largely subpar games, I am going on more than my own dislike of Myst-clones.
Just because I personally dislike it doesn't make it bad, but just because you personally like it, doesn't make it good, u dig?
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| 13 JUN 2003 at 4:20pm |
| Deleted User | Who died and turned you into a hep cat, Juji?
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| 13 JUN 2003 at 4:21pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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| 14 JUN 2003 at 12:06am |
adventuredogGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (13 JUN 2003 4:21pm)
What'chu talkin bout, jive turkey? Don't you mean "jive monkey"?
Still adventuring after all these years!
Patiently awaiting The Last Crown: Haunting of Hallowed Isle, and Bracken Tor...
... and Asylum if it's not tooooo scary...
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| 14 JUN 2003 at 7:07am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I meant what I said and I said what I meant ...
an elephant's faithful one hundred percent.
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| 14 JUN 2003 at 10:35am |
JonasKyratzesSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | I find this arrogant. Instead of appreciating the fact that they actually make/publish adventure games and not Doom-clones, you post a thread about how they suck, because you find that their games are not good enough. Great attitude. You know what? Why don't you just make your own game, publish it, and then complain?
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| 14 JUN 2003 at 10:47am |
Bob_the_BuilderJourneyman
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Status : Online | So with every movie that was horrible, you expect to go out and to try making a movie?
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| 14 JUN 2003 at 3:36pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By JonasKyratzes (14 JUN 2003 10:34am)
I find this arrogant. Instead of appreciating the fact that they actually make/publish adventure games and not Doom-clones, you post a thread about how they suck, because you find that their games are not good enough. Great attitude. You know what? Why don't you just make your own game, publish it, and then complain?
So, we're supposed to embrace a company that makes games that we feel are subpar? Sorry, but if we want to be critics, we have every right. I didn't like Doom, but every single title I've bought from Dreamcatcher has been a REAL letdown. The final straw was Syberia.
Of course, now that I understand Jane Jensen is involved with that company, I'll definately check out her new game when it hits the shelves, but other than that, I've folded on Dreamcatcher. No point in continuing to throw money away on games I think have horrible stories, boring characters and short gameplay. I'd rather have no adventure games than bad adventure games.
BTW this IS the forum for complaints
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