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| 3 APR 2003 at 9:14pm |
VectorIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By jujigatame (3 APR 2003 7:27pm)
I still don't understand this notion that people have where Gamespot reviewers dislike adventure games and give them poor grades because they are being forced to play them.
I never said they gave poor grades, although it was probably implied. I was turned off from gamespot a while ago after reading articles or profiles from their writers. (Sorry I don't have specifics) But the vast majority of their writers openly admitted they didn't like AG's.
Perhaps they have changed recently, I don't know. I haven't been to their site since they went to their pay to see my site system.
We may have years, we may have hours, but sooner or later we push up flowers.
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| 3 APR 2003 at 9:45pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I too despise their pay system, although at least all articles posted within the last 10 days or so are regularly free. I'm not sure about this adventure bias you're talking about, because they've given great reviews to deserving adventure games. I say judge them on their actions, and their actions have been OK by me.
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| 3 APR 2003 at 10:17pm |
VectorIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | The bias is probably is probably as much mine against them as it is theirs.
However back to your original post - just prior to using the term schlub - you make a valid point for you.
I also take both types of reviews into account however I tend to put more stock in players opinions.
We may have years, we may have hours, but sooner or later we push up flowers.
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| 3 APR 2003 at 10:35pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Aren't reviewers players too at their core?
And what's wrong with schlub?
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| 3 APR 2003 at 10:38pm |
VectorIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Nothings wrong with schlub. In fact thats what really got this topic cooking, intended or not.
We may have years, we may have hours, but sooner or later we push up flowers.
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| 5 APR 2003 at 6:29pm |
JessJourneyman
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Status : Online | Whoaa didn't think i was going to start a controversy, but ur replies helped me realize alot of stuff
Originally Posted By jujigatame (2 APR 2003 11:39pm)
I some random schlub.
i hope you're including yourself here....
Originally Posted By jujigatame (3 APR 2003 12:06am)
A professional reviewer is more likely to play through a game thoroughly with an open mind and then write about its ups and downs, instead of yelling THIS SUCKS or THIS IS THE GREATEST GAME EVER and slapping a score on it.
but, i agree with you 100% b/c i've seen it in places like gamespot and amazon
Originally Posted By Friday the 14:th (3 APR 2003 5:26pm)
When I grade an HOTU game I give it either 1 or 10 depending on if I want to raise or lower the grade.
very interesting, but i don't quite understand that LOL
Originally Posted By Friday the 14:th (3 APR 2003 7:47pm)
I think the rating system should be just "thumbs up" or "thumbs down".
But sometimes the movie or a game in this case has good points and bad points like great graphics and sucky story-line, what should a good ol' game reviewer do now?
I agree Elfstone.
Originally Posted By rumtilyerdum (3 APR 2003 10:38pm)
Nothings wrong with schlub. In fact thats what really got this topic cooking, intended or not.
OHHH REALLY?? i thought it was my lovely question lol
I would prefer to read an entire game review where it tells me exactly how things work and what you would expect, regardless if it's bad or good. when i look at game spot or other game sites, they only give a grade depending on a vote. Some ppl do write a review but it just summarized what they LIKED or what the DISLIKED. Bud saddly, I can't seem to come up with a definite answer to my own question.
JA+ is the best example (so far) of a site that does JUST THE OPPOSITE. The reviews here give us a grade on EACH category such as GRAPHICS, PLOT, SOUND etc. This I really like because every game has a good and bad spot and I prefer to get an acurately analized description on how each category works.
for example, if you play a game and you find that it drives you crazy whether its the interface or the puzzles are too hard and you just take the disk and throw it out the window swearing to yourself never to touch a game like that, you shouldn't give it a 1 or 2,3,4,5!!! You haven't even played the whole thing ! and interface is not the only thing the game comes with! many people tend to do that on other sites. (when i say 'you' i dont mean anyone in particular ) But whatever floats your boat or whatever you prefer then "O YOU"!
thanks for ur opinions! :-*
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| 5 APR 2003 at 6:38pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | JA+ is the best example (so far) of a site that does JUST THE OPPOSITE. The reviews here give us a grade on EACH category such as GRAPHICS, PLOT, SOUND etc.
I haven't seen this in most of their recent reviews.
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| 5 APR 2003 at 7:47pm |
Friday the 14thSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By jessica_rabbit (5 APR 2003 6:28pm)
very interesting, but i don't quite understand that LOL
HOTU = Home Of The Underdogs = An abandonware website with reviews, you as a viewer can grade games between 1-10 to raise/lower the HOTU grade.
But sometimes the movie or a game in this case has good points and bad points like great graphics and sucky story-line, what should a good ol' game reviewer do now?
The viewer can't review the game anyway, we can only grade it (not entierly true). And since there is cheaters (like me) I think it'd be more fair.
I agree Elfstone.
We all make mistakes :
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| 5 APR 2003 at 8:02pm |
JessJourneyman
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Friday the 14:th (5 APR 2003 7:47pm)
HOTU = Home Of The Underdogs
im gonna check it out
Originally Posted By Friday the 14:th (5 APR 2003 7:47pm)
We all make mistakes :
oh no i was really agreeing with elfstone on his comment, just didn't kno where to put it, i knew it was gonna cause a lil confusion....i would neeeever do that i know if i'm replyin' to ya friday
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| 5 APR 2003 at 8:06pm |
Friday the 14thSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By jessica_rabbit (5 APR 2003 8:01pm)
im gonna check it out
Check HERE.
oh no i was really agreeing with elfstone on his comment, just didn't kno where to put it, i knew it was gonna cause a lil confusion....i would neeeever do that i know if i'm replyin' to ya friday
Relax, I was just teasing Elfie.
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| 5 APR 2003 at 8:08pm |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | Friday, why you always promote underdogs??? There are other sites with good abandondware games...
Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit.
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| 5 APR 2003 at 8:17pm |
Friday the 14thSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Godfather (5 APR 2003 8:08pm)
Friday, why you always promote underdogs??? There are other sites with good abandondware games...
There is not one with half of HOTUs selection, HOTU tries to be leagal too, if a game isn't there there's a reason behind it.
As you know I use other 'illeagal' abandonware sites to download games too. But I think it looks bad to promote them here.
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| 5 APR 2003 at 8:18pm |
| Deleted User | Yeah, stop recommending them. Their ad's use self-installing spyware, and it's a pain to get rid of.
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| 5 APR 2003 at 8:19pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Really?
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| 5 APR 2003 at 8:21pm |
| Deleted User | Hey, Juji. Getting in trouble again on this thread?
Yeah, Underdogs really uses spyware. I've downloaded Adaware 6 which helps get rid of it.
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| 5 APR 2003 at 8:33pm |
Friday the 14thSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By monkeybone (5 APR 2003 8:18pm)
Yeah, stop recommending them. Their ad's use self-installing spyware, and it's a pain to get rid of.
That is complete bullshi[size=13]t
1. There is no such thing as "self intalling spyware" on a website, they come with p2p's and similar stuff
2. If their banners uses spyware how come everyone gets the same flasing "You're a Winner" banner?
With all due respect MB - That is complete bullshi[size=13]t
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| 6 APR 2003 at 6:38pm |
Monsey_JoeIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Definitely Public Reviews. I can't tell how the game as a whole played from professional review. There are also many reviews per game so I can look through a few reviews and see what I think. MobyGames has a good collection of Public reviews.
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| 6 APR 2003 at 8:46pm |
Friday the 14thSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Monsey_Joe (6 APR 2003 6:38pm)
MobyGames has a good collection of Public reviews.
Gamefaqs has the best user review selection afaik.
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| 7 APR 2003 at 1:24am |
Monsey_JoeIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | I like MobyGames review format. A one line overview. The Good and The Bad,gets all the information across, I wish the reviews here would be in that format.
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| 7 APR 2003 at 9:50am |
Friday the 14thSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I think they have that review format just to save time and effort, I prefer real reviews.
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| 7 APR 2003 at 5:40pm |
SunspiralSpace Cadet
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Status : Online | "Professional" reviews, in my opinion, are the most accurate. Tho they aren't 100% by any means. This all comes down to one's own tastes. That, and some reviewers seem to just play way too many titles and they lose their prospective.
Long live the shareware-demo that allows us to form our own opinion!
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| 7 APR 2003 at 11:19pm |
nytimesguyPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | As a professional game reviewer, I'd like to vote for the average game player over the professional. Game reviewers are not expert on games, they are experts on writing about games. And they've played a lot of them, but so have many non-professionals. A good reviewer can give you a sense of what the game is like, but I don't trust game reviewers any more than movie critics, who have over the years lead me to see some awful movies.
I find the best thing is to get the average opinion of a lot of people, which is why I like gamerankings.com, which averages game reviewers ratings and also has user ratings.
What we enjoy is so subjective that taking anyone's recommendation is a crap shoot.
Charles - Game Theorist
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| 7 APR 2003 at 11:26pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By nytimesguy (7 APR 2003 11:19pm)
What we enjoy is so subjective that taking anyone's recommendation is a crap shoot.
And that IMO firmly includes user ratings/reviews. I know for a fact that my tastes are often not in line with the "majority".
Therefore I'd much rather have a well written, informative review (even if I may not agree with its conclusion) than know what Joe Schmoe thought about game/movie/book XYZ. But that's just me
I forgot my sig.
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| 8 APR 2003 at 7:22am |
Steve IncePrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | As a developer, I've found that everyone's opinion counts. The hard thing is balancing those opinions. As far as reviews go, it's important that they are intelligent and thoughtfully written. I've seen reviews in professional magazines that were awful and you question how the person got the job. I've seen amateur reviews on websites that are so well put-together you know that the reviewer has been fair whether the end result is favourable to the game or not.
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