| 28 FEB 2013 at 5:34pm |
ImariIntergalactic Janitor


Posts : 21 Joined: 30 MAR 2004 Location: US
Status : Offline | Thanks for that link to Adventure-Treff, Fien.
Other than Asylum, which just funded today and Homesick, which funded about a week ago, I haven't backed and funded games on KS. I did however, back Jane Jensen's Pinkerton Road project via Paypal and they have already delivered on a promised book, and several of the promised perks. They also issue monthly updates, which are reassuring.
I guess that I remain cautiously optimistic. Hope that you finally get all that you've pledged for.
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| 1 MAR 2013 at 3:30am |
ValGuild Master


Posts : 3472 Joined: 2 OCT 2002 Location: US
Status : Offline | I think I'm getting worse....
Dreamfall Chapters
Tex Murphy: Project Fedora
Asylum
Xing
We can be heroes, just for one day.
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| 7 MAR 2013 at 11:53am |
Lady KestrelGuild Master


Posts : 4038 Joined: 27 SEP 2004 Location: US, NJ
Status : Offline | I added Dreamfall Chapters since they reached their stretch goal of a Mac port.
Regarding Adventure-Treff, they do have an excellent screenshot gallery, too.
"Where is the fountain that throws up these flowers in a ceaseless outbreak of ecstasy?"
-Rabindranath Tagore
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| 6 APR 2013 at 10:57am |
DajjerIntergalactic Janitor


Posts : 84 Joined: 1 AUG 2009 Location: US
Status : Offline | Absolutely
Mostly adventure and rgps with a few graphic novels thrown in. I've pledged 23 projects with 20 being successfully funded.
The problem is I look at Kickstarter as a pre order service, which so many people tell me is wrong. But sometime starting in Sept 2013 will begin the deluge of my projects coming to fruition. Soon well see . . .
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| 11 APR 2013 at 4:21pm |
ImariIntergalactic Janitor


Posts : 21 Joined: 30 MAR 2004 Location: US
Status : Offline | I too tend to think of it as a pre-order service. I hope you get your perks, Dajjer. I think most of the projects are floated by people who legitimately plan to produce what they promise. Meanwhile... Indiegogo anyone? I'm backing Jan Kavan's remake of J.U.L.I.A. there as well as Angelus, an illustrated book.
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| 11 APR 2013 at 7:00pm |
Bonsai-sanSorcerer Apprentice


Posts : 215 Joined: 9 SEP 2007
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Val (1 MAR 2013 3:30am)
I think I'm getting worse....
Dreamfall Chapters
Tex Murphy: Project Fedora
Asylum
Xing
In the beginning yes, but now I'm more selective. I'm treating it like an investment in the Stock Market hoping my return will be well worth it.
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| 17 APR 2013 at 5:40pm |
ValGuild Master


Posts : 3472 Joined: 2 OCT 2002 Location: US
Status : Offline | Another question to ponder:
Is there a difference in the "addiction" when you pledge, for example, $5 to 50 projects versus $150, etc. to 3 projects. To me, they are different kinds of obsession.
We can be heroes, just for one day.
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| 17 APR 2013 at 6:11pm |
CBPrivate Detective


Posts : 570 Joined: 5 NOV 2011 Location: US, CT
Status : Offline | Pledging $5 to 50 projects seems generous but I don't think you'd have all that much fun. (forgive me if I'm totally missing the point)
There might be a slight difference in the math in how much money is directly invested into the actual game project. Pledging $150 for any game project will most likely entitle you to a boxed or deluxe edition and perhaps some other type of memorabilia. The actual cost of these items would be deducted from your pledge thus reducing the game's true budget.
Give a man a fish: He will eat for a day.
Give a man a rod: He will sit on a boat and drink beer all day. - USA Network
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| 18 APR 2013 at 8:13pm |
StilerJourneyman


Posts : 1464 Joined: 27 SEP 2004 Location: US, TN
Status : Offline | I generally treat it as a pre order, and generally if I back a product I will back it at the lower tier where you "get the game" when it's released.
However a few kickstarters that I really believe in/want to help, I'll donate more (like Jane Jensen's Moebius, etc).
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| 24 APR 2013 at 12:24am |
MKBSorcerer Apprentice


Posts : 241 Joined: 24 AUG 2006
Status : Offline | I've never contributed to a kickstarter. While in principle they might be a good idea, I think the devs are too mysterious about these things. I mean, what would I be funding? They might say its an adventure but what kind? Is it going to be a cross-platform, direct control action/adventure hybrid? Is it first or third person? Hand-drawn or 3D?
I can understand why they don't say too much. They don't want to alienate any potential donors who might not fund a traditional p&c or a hybrid. It's good business sense. But while I'll pay top dollar for a hard copy of an AG I like, I won't buy a pig in a poke.
I don't buy download-only games. Never have, never will........Mike
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| 25 APR 2013 at 7:37pm |
StilerJourneyman


Posts : 1464 Joined: 27 SEP 2004 Location: US, TN
Status : Offline | Many of the games that ask for a kickstarter tell you that.
Like the recent Torment game, they clearly said it'd be an old style isometeric rpg simialr to planescape torment in themes/atmosphere.
The recent adventure game for the new Dreamfall had gameplay footage showing the game, and explained you could control it via w/s/a/d or even point and click style iwth your mouse if you wish to.
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| 25 APR 2013 at 11:43pm |
DajjerIntergalactic Janitor


Posts : 84 Joined: 1 AUG 2009 Location: US
Status : Offline | Too Mysterious? Not really - the Kickstarter projects come in a variety of works in progresses. Some come with just an idea, some need the funding to complete the project, some need the funding to move the game to anohter level. You can easily tell where they fall just by looking at their initial Kickstarter video.
I also disagree with the idea that they don't want to alienate potential donors. I believe the whole idea of Kickstarter is to get your vision out there and get others to see its value as you do. The Kickstarter failures I've seen aren't dealing in withholding information to trick donors but in not having a compelling and coherent vison that gets other to believe in their project.
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| 26 APR 2013 at 10:31am |
Lady KestrelGuild Master


Posts : 4038 Joined: 27 SEP 2004 Location: US, NJ
Status : Offline | Many of the potential kickstarter games also have their own websites where more info is available. The developers usually enjoy talking about their projects and provide the backers with neat tidbits of information. I've enjoyed visiting Senscape (makers of Asylum) which has a special section just for backers.
"Where is the fountain that throws up these flowers in a ceaseless outbreak of ecstasy?"
-Rabindranath Tagore Last edited by Lady Kestrel : 26 APR 2013 10:32am
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| 26 APR 2013 at 1:51pm |
Len GreenJourneyman


Posts : 832 Joined: 31 JAN 2012 Location: IL
Status : Offline | As I wrote earlier on and elaborated in the thread "Trends", Kickstarter is not for me ! I like my games completed and not half baked (unless I'm doing beta testing !!).
IN ANY CASE...according to the information given to me just 3 or 4 days ago by Mikael Nyqvist (MDNA Games Sweden - 9 Carol Reed Mystery games) Kickstarter is ONLY available to Americans and since I am NOT an American I could not participate even if I wanted to - which as I said, I DON'T !
From years of experience, Mikael is very rarely incorrect !!!
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| 26 APR 2013 at 5:48pm |
DajjerIntergalactic Janitor


Posts : 84 Joined: 1 AUG 2009 Location: US
Status : Offline | Contributing to a Kickstarter project is available to any body.
But folks outside of the United States have to cough up the postage to get the product mailed to them.
As far as half baked programs, none of us hope that our invested dollars are going to a half baked program. One Kickstarter game I know of FTL, turned out to be a great game. It's received raves from both critics and players. Most likely a half baked program will not get the necessary funding to succeed.
I recommend any one who thinks the idea of Kickstarter is silly, is to just visit the Website and see what it's all about.
http://www.kickstarter.com/
There's more than just games there.
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| 26 APR 2013 at 10:40pm |
MKBSorcerer Apprentice


Posts : 241 Joined: 24 AUG 2006
Status : Offline | I guess I over-generalized in my previous post. Kickstarter is a good business idea. I wish I would have thought of it. But the problem is with me. I am very picky about the adventure games I buy and play. I like 3rd person point and clicks. I hate action and timed sequences. I've hated them since the skimmer in Space Quest 1 to the QTE in Book of Unwritten Tales. All I want to know is if there's going to be action (combat, jumping, shooting, QTE's, etc.) in the proposed game they're trying to fund. This is the info that is hard to come by when searching adventure games. That's why (in my peculiar case) I think funding an AG is more of a gamble than an investment.
I don't buy download-only games. Never have, never will........Mike
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| 27 APR 2013 at 2:17am |
Len GreenJourneyman


Posts : 832 Joined: 31 JAN 2012 Location: IL
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MKB (26 APR 2013 10:40pm)
I guess I over-generalized in my previous post. Kickstarter is a good business idea. I wish I would have thought of it. But the problem is with me. I am very picky about the adventure games I buy and play. I like 3rd person point and clicks. I hate action and timed sequences. I've hated them since the skimmer in Space Quest 1 to the QTE in Book of Unwritten Tales. All I want to know is if there's going to be action (combat, jumping, shooting, QTE's, etc.) in the proposed game they're trying to fund. This is the info that is hard to come by when searching adventure games. That's why (in my peculiar case) I think funding an AG is more of a gamble than an investment.
I feel exactly the same as you MKB.
I too prefer 3rd peron point n'clickers, although I hae played some 1st person Quest/Adventures which are excellent!
I am possibly even more picky than you !!
As far as possible I am pretty careful about buying games. As I have said - it is not as though there are hardly any adventure games on the market - the opposite these days - there are dozens of fairly recent games to choose from and I am a very slow player and have neither the time, energy, or eyesight to play more than a a half dozen every year and would like those to be the most enjoyable to my taste.
I usually start by reading as many differentlreviews as possible, and then peruse players' positive & negative comments on various forums. I very rarely buy a game without first having played its demo. This gives me by far the best guidance as to whether i am reasonably likely to enjoy the game from all practical points of view. But even more important than that - a demo proves that the game will play properly or indeed at all on my PC setup. I have played graphic Quest /Adventures for more than 30 years, and beta tested and written walkthroughs for very many dozens in addition. Once in a while I have had a game which just wont work on my computer (wrong video or sound card or operating system or memory or whatever) - and I do not like wasting money - and I'm not a fiend who likes to be THE FIRST to play the game - on the contrary, later versions are usually more bug free (and cheaper).
I wrote in my previous post here that I don't buy games "half baked" and was correctly criticized for that statement - it was inappropriate.
More apt would be :- I don't like buying "A pig in a poke" :~ )) :~ ))
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The boast of heraldry, the pomp of power, And all that beauty, all that wealth e'er gave, Awaits alike th' inevitable hour:- The paths of glory lead but to the grave.
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| 27 APR 2013 at 2:17am |
markornikovJourneyman

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Posts : 1303 Joined: 28 OCT 2011 Location: BE, Antwerp
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Dajjer (26 APR 2013 5:48pm)
Contributing to a Kickstarter project is available to any body.
But folks outside of the United States have to cough up the postage to get the product mailed to them.
As far as half baked programs, none of us hope that our invested dollars are going to a half baked program. One Kickstarter game I know of FTL, turned out to be a great game. It's received raves from both critics and players. Most likely a half baked program will not get the necessary funding to succeed.
I recommend any one who thinks the idea of Kickstarter is silly, is to just visit the Website and see what it's all about.
http://www.kickstarter.com/
There's more than just games there.
The problem is that in many countries the crowdfunding itself isn't covered by law yet, and in some cases illegal.
The US has been quite progressive in this case, it sees the benefits for the economy whereas other countries see it as something beyond their control.
So while anybody can contribute, many can't legally start a crowdfunding project themselves.
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| 27 APR 2013 at 4:04am |
FienIntergalactic Janitor

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Posts : 41 Joined: 3 NOV 2011 Location: NL
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By markornikov (27 APR 2013 2:17am)
The problem is that in many countries the crowdfunding itself isn't covered by law yet, and in some cases illegal.
The US has been quite progressive in this case, it sees the benefits for the economy whereas other countries see it as something beyond their control.
So while anybody can contribute, many can't legally start a crowdfunding project themselves.
You're confusing platform with country. Kickstarter is just one of the many, many crowdfunding platforms. It is true that creators, or at the very least their bank account, must be US-based but that's entirely Kickstarter's choice. (They recently added the UK.) A smaller and less ambitious platform like Indiegogo has been international for years. Anybody can start a project there.
Last year, I pledged to an immensely successful multimillion euro project and I now am one of the proud 2700+ owners of a wind turbine that supplies my electricity. Crowdfunding is a worldwide phenomenon. Growing very fast, and not just in Europe and the US. I don't know of any country where it's illegal. Can you name a few?
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| 27 APR 2013 at 8:02am |
Len GreenJourneyman


Posts : 832 Joined: 31 JAN 2012 Location: IL
Status : Offline | Just shows how blinkered I am
I had never heard of the word "CROWDFUNDING" until these posts today.
I don't know if it exists in Israel although I've never heard of it here either in Hebrew or in English
If it DOES exist here, I see no reason whatsoever why it should be illeggal !!
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| 27 APR 2013 at 8:33am |
FienIntergalactic Janitor

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Posts : 41 Joined: 3 NOV 2011 Location: NL
Status : Offline | Yes Len, in Israel too.
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| 27 APR 2013 at 9:03am |
DajjerIntergalactic Janitor


Posts : 84 Joined: 1 AUG 2009 Location: US
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MKB (26 APR 2013 10:40pm)
I guess I over-generalized in my previous post. Kickstarter is a good business idea. I wish I would have thought of it. But the problem is with me. I am very picky about the adventure games I buy and play. I like 3rd person point and clicks. I hate action and timed sequences. I've hated them since the skimmer in Space Quest 1 to the QTE in Book of Unwritten Tales. All I want to know is if there's going to be action (combat, jumping, shooting, QTE's, etc.) in the proposed game they're trying to fund. This is the info that is hard to come by when searching adventure games. That's why (in my peculiar case) I think funding an AG is more of a gamble than an investment.
QTEs? Did you say QTEs?. QTEs prevented "Hard Rain" from being one of the best adventure games of all time. Such a shame with that amazing story.
Oh but I do hear you about clicky action in adventure games. I too am a very picky gamer. I like my RPGs like Gothic, Fallout Vegas and Might and Magic and I like my adventure games like Mission Critical, Syberia and Grim Fandango. I too hate reflex actions in my adventure games and have yet to buy Dreamfall.
However, being a gamer since the 80s, I have played so many games, that if I only played my specific subset I just wouldn't be playing that many games nowadays. So I take a chance on games that hold potential and pray for the best - and that's on the typical-regularly developed games we find in the stores and online.
Enter Kickstarter. I've found more games that offer the type of game play that I like than I have seen in years. And it's pretty exciting to be getting in on the ground floor of some of these games and seeing them march to a reality. Actually the game I am most looking forward to, I completely missed when it started up on Kickstarter. It is an adventure game where a US astronaut goes to Mars and finds out the Russians beat us there by a couple decades. However the place is deserted. Or is it?
It's called:
http://www.lifelessplanet.com/
I missed the funding but it will be a day one buy for me.
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| 27 APR 2013 at 11:02am |
StilerJourneyman


Posts : 1464 Joined: 27 SEP 2004 Location: US, TN
Status : Offline | I missed that too, and it looks like something I'd be greatly interested in, thanks for posting that Dajjer.
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| 27 APR 2013 at 12:33pm |
AndromusGuild Master


Posts : 5538 Joined: 6 NOV 2002
Status : Offline | Interesting you should mention Lifeless Planet. That was the very first Kickstarter I contributed to. Very interesting concept, quite promising. Really looking forward to seeing how it turns out.
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