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| 16 DEC 2012 at 4:38pm |
Len GreenJourneyman
Posts : 832
Joined: 31 JAN 2012
Location: IL
Status : Offline | Does anybody have authentic knowledge of how popular this game is ?
I suppose that means how has it sold, at least relative to other games.
I had some troubles with it and had to consult the only walkthrough I could find several times.
My troubles were mainly "Where to go next" since there are a LOT of locations and sub-locations and sometimes I didn't seem to have a clue as to where the next ESSENTIAL location had to be !!!
This was the main reason why I compounded the large number of saves.
Overall, there was a lot of good in the game, but at the same time, some problems!
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The boast of heraldry, the pomp of power,
And all that beauty, all that wealth e'er gave,
Awaits alike th' inevitable hour:-
The paths of glory lead but to the grave.
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| 19 DEC 2012 at 5:38pm |
Len GreenJourneyman
Posts : 832
Joined: 31 JAN 2012
Location: IL
Status : Offline | Any JA member actually played Yoomurjak's Ring &/or got any opinions on the game ??
Excellent -- Very Good -- Good -- OK -- Poor -- Bad -- Terrible Whatever ?
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The boast of heraldry, the pomp of power,
And all that beauty, all that wealth e'er gave,
Awaits alike th' inevitable hour:-
The paths of glory lead but to the grave.
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| 20 DEC 2012 at 7:12am |
QuesterIntergalactic Janitor
Posts : 20
Joined: 28 SEP 2012
Location: AU
Status : Offline | It's excellent. Everything an adventure game should be. I don't have any criticisms.
I love that it's in Hungarian. It adds so much to the experience of being in Eger and it's great that Private Moon Studios understand this. More games should use subtitles. If more developers were happy to add subtitles to non-English games rather than converting the dialogues from the native language, we would not only have quicker and cheaper releases, but also a much more diverse and unique body of games from a variety of languages.
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| 22 DEC 2012 at 2:22pm |
Len GreenJourneyman
Posts : 832
Joined: 31 JAN 2012
Location: IL
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Quester (20 DEC 2012 7:12am)
It's excellent. Everything an adventure game should be. I don't have any criticisms.
I love that it's in Hungarian. It adds so much to the experience of being in Eger and it's great that Private Moon Studios understand this. More games should use subtitles. If more developers were happy to add subtitles to non-English games rather than converting the dialogues from the native language, we would not only have quicker and cheaper releases, but also a much more diverse and unique body of games from a variety of languages.
Thanks for your excellent 'rating' and opinions !
Although I think that OVERALL it's a very good game and certainly extremely interesting, I'm not quite as enthusiastic as you are !
I would rate it somewhere between "Very Good" & "Good).
My main (quite serious) criticism is the subtitles – as mentioned previously.
From your appraisal I would guess that your 1st language is English, that you are a 'speed reader' and have normal eyesight – but of course I may be wrong ?!?
I am OK on the 1st 2 but unfortunately not on the 3rd.
Due to this I missed a VERY great deal of the description and 'meaning' of the game.
Since the number of people throughout the world who understand Hungarian is relatively infinitesimal, I fear that there must be very many people who, like me, miss a very great deal of the EXTREMELY large number of dialogs and hence interesting narrative !
I DO however agree with you that keeping 'foreign' games in their proper original languages instead of artificially rendering the speech into English is a good idea. Often, the different various UKL/USA accents in say an Italian or Scandinavian developed game is quite off-putting and greatly detracts from their authenticity.
*But* whilst saving a lot of money for translators & English speaking voice actors, much more attention (and some cash) should be invested in **first class** subtitles which can be read fully & with great ease by EVERYBODY !
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The boast of heraldry, the pomp of power,
And all that beauty, all that wealth e'er gave,
Awaits alike th' inevitable hour:-
The paths of glory lead but to the grave.
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| 24 DEC 2012 at 10:32am |
Mr Innocent.Journeyman
Posts : 1317
Joined: 15 JAN 2008
Location: GR
Status : Offline | I've played Yoomurjak's Ring, and I think it's a very good adventure, with a few minor faults that keep it from greatness.
1. The coincidences that on occassion are used to drive the plot are a bit far-fetched. Ok, so just the right man happens to overhear Jonathan's conversation to get the whole game really started, I could accept that. But on Day 3, when Jon and Juli are both truly stuck with no clue as to how to proceed, Istvan happens to put up a new painting on the hotel with just the right clue in it... Not exactly subtle storytelling.
2. I like the map, but I'd rather it actually used the name of locations instead of a representative drawing. As the game opens up and more and more locations become available, it can get confusing.
3. One particular puzzle has way too many required actions and clues to be viewed before it allows you to input the solution you may well have figured out without all of them.
The Hungarian language and english subtitles did not bother me at all, after all english is not my native language either and I use english subtitles for most of the movies and TV series I watch. The game does provide help for those that can't easily follow them.
Clicking on the N brings up your notebook, with detailed recordings of every single line of dialogue you've had up to that point, sorted by in-game date. Not ideal perhaps, but anyone that has trouble following the pace of the subtitles can look them up afterwards at their leisure.
Last edited by Mr Innocent. : 24 DEC 2012 10:35am
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| 27 DEC 2012 at 6:15am |
Len GreenJourneyman
Posts : 832
Joined: 31 JAN 2012
Location: IL
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Mr Innocent. (24 DEC 2012 10:32am)
I've played Yoomurjak's Ring, and I think it's a very good adventure, with a few minor faults that keep it from greatness.
1. The coincidences that on occassion are used to drive the plot are a bit far-fetched. Ok, so just the right man happens to overhear Jonathan's conversation to get the whole game really started, I could accept that. But on Day 3, when Jon and Juli are both truly stuck with no clue as to how to proceed, Istvan happens to put up a new painting on the hotel with just the right clue in it... Not exactly subtle storytelling.
2. I like the map, but I'd rather it actually used the name of locations instead of a representative drawing. As the game opens up and more and more locations become available, it can get confusing.
3. One particular puzzle has way too many required actions and clues to be viewed before it allows you to input the solution you may well have figured out without all of them.
The Hungarian language and english subtitles did not bother me at all, after all english is not my native language either and I use english subtitles for most of the movies and TV series I watch. The game does provide help for those that can't easily follow them.
Clicking on the N brings up your notebook, with detailed recordings of every single line of dialogue you've had up to that point, sorted by in-game date. Not ideal perhaps, but anyone that has trouble following the pace of the subtitles can look them up afterwards at their leisure.
Hi Mr. I,
Since your native language is NOT English and due to the ultra-short period of time the subtitles are displayed before the next batch arrive I REALLY TAKE MY HAT OFF TO YOU !!
I was born & bred in London (both parents also) studied Physics there to Degree + Diploma level, high marks also in 'English Languish & Literature' studies, editor of a quarterly magazine with many articles and later walkthroughs to my published name.
Nevertheless I couldn't possibly keep up with the speed of the subtitles in the game. I used to be a speed reader, but admittedly slowed down a lot due to AMD old-age vision problems.
However I still maintain that reading and absorbing all the very many English texts must be EXTREMNELY difficult or even impossible for quite a large umber of people – both because the length of many of the texts &/or due to some weakening of youthful vision. !!!
BTW --- You are not Scandinavian are you I have a LOT to do with Sweden !
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The boast of heraldry, the pomp of power,
And all that beauty, all that wealth e'er gave,
Awaits alike th' inevitable hour:-
The paths of glory lead but to the grave.
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| 28 DEC 2012 at 4:16pm |
Len GreenJourneyman
Posts : 832
Joined: 31 JAN 2012
Location: IL
Status : Offline | Carol Reed #9 should be released in less than 2 months from now and I Skype Mikael Nyqvist in Sweden in the course of alpha & beta testing (and being the games' series 'permanent' "Creative Consultant".
He told me that there is a similar sort of problem in Sweden but much more widespread since it affects all foreign TV there.
But it is caused by a diametrically opposite reason !
He said that Swedish translations are MUCCH LONGER than their original English originals – I think this is because Swedish words are generally MUCH longer than their English originals.
Hence LITYERAL translated Swedish subtitles would be too lengthy for people to read before the next sentences is already displayed.
The end result would be identical to that of "Yoomurjak" although due to a different cause !
Hence, according to Mikael, the subtitles are *NOT* literal translations but edited précis's of the texts.
IMHO, this would solve the same problem in the Hungarian game.
It might involve additional work (and outlay) but would solve what I personally (and maybe others ??) consider a serious shortcoming !!!
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The boast of heraldry, the pomp of power,
And all that beauty, all that wealth e'er gave,
Awaits alike th' inevitable hour:-
The paths of glory lead but to the grave.
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