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7 SEP 2012 at 2:20pm

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Talk about horror games

Can you imagine, a 4 year old girl hiding for 8 whole hours

Beneath the skirts of her dead mother in a closed car with her

Murdered father mother and grandmother and outside a killed

Cyclist and too afraid to utter a peep



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8 SEP 2012 at 4:45am

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I read about it in the news.

Horrible, really horrible. I feel sorry for that poor girl & her sister (who was shot in the shoulder). I hope they both will be able to recover.


 

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8 SEP 2012 at 5:21am

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If it really was due to a family dispute over money, i hope the perpetrator(s) burn in hell for ruining those two girls lives.  Now there are two candidates for PTSD, if i ever saw any...


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8 SEP 2012 at 8:05am

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Horrific. And some guy apparently just riding by on a bike too -  father of 3...



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27 SEP 2012 at 11:15am

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I find something VERY strange here – maybe sinister or ominous – not that I know what it is  

   
   
  I can only guess !
If anybody knows more, please elucidate – Thanks in advance

The gruesome murder/assassination/bludgeoning of the whole family + a passing local cyclist took place 3 weeks ago.
For the 1st week after it the newspapers, radio, TV , Internet were full of it as they normally are with a "juicy" story and particularly a whodunit!.

Then, total silence for a fortnigjht up to now Not even a syllable on Google (There may be info on Facebook &/or Twitter, etc. but I don't participate in them

   
   !!??!!
This is not 'normal'.
Whether we like it or not, the media generally find things to publish, often superfluous & irrelevant 'filler' e.g. interviews with neighbours, pics of their caravan site workplaces, etc. etc.
But in this case ZILCH 
  
  

Compare this with the 2007 kidnapping of baby Madeleine McCann from a holiday resort in Portugal.
The reporting went on & on and was headline news for weeks & weeks. There was actually nothing tangible to report nevertheless reporters and the like managed to eke out irrelevances and feed the media with ersatz news for ages & ages.

True the cases are different – but nevertheless the contrast in crime publicity is staggering!

 

WHY ???


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5 OCT 2012 at 2:36pm

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[Curiouser & curiouser !!!


 

~~~~ We are EXTREMELY news-conscious here (ditto local & international politics) – maybe too much  
  
We have :-
A 5minute news bulletin regularly on the hour, every hour in Hebrew

3 news & current affairs local TV channels spewing out a lot of news at various hours.

At least 4 English speaking foreign news channels.
Countless 'foreign' language channels including several in Arabic.
And probably more !!
 

And yet with ALL the above – not a single word about the horrific extermination of almost a whole family even now, 4 weeks after the repulsive event.
 
Anybody got any idea what gives ???
Maybe there has been something on Facebook or Twitter etc. where I do NOT participate ?

P.S.
Sensational headlines are now focused upon the disappearance (abduction ?) of a pretty little 5 year old girl, April Jones, in the middle of Wales (UK) 4 days ago (1st October I presume).


 

I wonder if this nasty event will turn into another "Maddie" sensation !! 


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27 OCT 2012 at 4:51am

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NO REAL PROGRESS - AFTR 7+ WEEKS

An ideal case for Hercule Poirot or maybe Miss Marple

 

Murder Victims Pasts Probed.

 

sept 22, 2012 12:10 pm EDT  -   Extracted from GOOGLE !

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Investigators of the shocking quadruple murder in the French Alps are looking into the victims' unusual histories—and wondering who the real target was. 

New clues in the investigation into the grisly quadruple homicide in the French Alps on Sept. 5 paint an increasingly curious picture of the victims. Iraqi-born Britons Saad Al-Hilli, 50, and his wife Iqbal, 47, and her Iraqi-Swedish mother Suhaila Al-Allaf, 74, along with French cyclist Sylvain Moillier, 45, were all killed with multiple gunshot wounds, including two finishing shots into each person’s forehead. Police are working on the assumption that the act was carried out by a single gunman who fired 25 rounds, likely with a silencer on the gun.Al-Hilli and his wife and mother-in-law were killed inside their BMW stationwagon. Moillier was killed outside the car. The Al-Hillis’ 7-year-old daughter Zaeinab was found outside the car, severely beaten with a gunshot wound to the shoulder.  Their other daughter, 4-year-old Zeena, was found hiding under her dead mother’s corpse in the backseat. The two young girls, who are the only known material witnesses to the crime, have been reunited in London and are staying in an undisclosed location under police protection. Zeinab, whose injuries have affected her eyesight, has been questioned by the police but so far has only said that her parents were killed by “one bad man.”

Investigators in France and Britain have merged the criminal investigation under the European Union’s Eurojust program, which allows multi-national investigators to form a Joint Investigation Team (JIT) to work cross-border without the usual red tape. They have also called upon law-enforcement officials in Italy and Switzerland where the assailant may have fled to check border-crossing surveillance and keep an eye out for anyone who may be involved in the crime. So far no credible leads as to the assailant’s vehicle or mode of transportation have proven useful in the investigation.

Last week, investigators traveled to Sweden where the eldest victim, Al-Allaf, lived with her mentally disturbed son, Haydar Thaher, 46, who was twice locked up for threatening her life. Thaher was briefly considered a suspect in the murders since he was not in Sweden when the killings took place, but British police later located him in a psychiatric hospital in England where he has been a patient since late August.

Investigators are also looking into anomalies in the life of the cyclist who was killed at the scene. Moillier worked as a zirconium specialist at a nuclear-fuel-development company owned by nuclear-energy giant Areva, which had once fought allegations that it was supplying Iran with enriched uranium. Police originally assumed that the cyclist had accidentally stumbled upon the murder in progress and was killed because he was a witness. But French detective Benedict Vinneman said last week that they couldn’t rule out that it was the other way around. “Was the al-Hilli family the main target? Was it not the cyclist?” he said to reporters at a press briefing. “We’re talking about someone whom everybody says was a gentleman, but who’s to say he did not lead a double life?”

But Al-Hilli’s own behavior has caused the most consternation among both French and British investigators. The life of the Baghdad-born aerospace engineer has been the focus of the investigation from the beginning and investigators are looking at a number of distinct lines of inquiry. Al-Hilli and his brother Zaid had been in a legal battle over their family’s $6.5 million inheritance, which included a Swiss bank account and real estate across Europe. The Al-Hillis’ father died in Spain in 2010 and the considerable inheritance is still unsettled. But investigators are increasingly skeptical about his involvement. They believe that the brother, who has an airtight alibi for the day of the murder, would have likely instructed a hitman to kill all family members if in fact he had ordered the killings. Leaving the two young daughters alive in an inheritance dispute doesn’t make sense.

Investigators are also looking into the discovery of a previously unknown French farmhouse Al-Hilli was trying to sell, which could provide a link between the family and the country where they were killed. The house, which had never been renovated despite neighbors testimony that Al-Hilli had intended to fix it up as a rental property, was recently listed on the market. No one saw Al-Hilli visit the house in the days before he was killed, but police are not ruling out a connection to the sale of the property.

“Was the al-Hilli family the main target? Was it not the cyclist?”

Investigators are also combing the Internet for traces of Al-Hilli’s somewhat erratic virtual voice. A neighbor and friend in Surrey, Gary Aked, told British investigators that Al-Hilli spent hours online ranting in anti-Semitic chatrooms, according to the Mirror, which interviewed Aked. “When I heard Saad and Iqbal had been murdered my first thought was, ‘What has he said?’ ‘What has he done?’” according to the paper. Whether he incited an angry Internet troll in a chatroom debate is another thread the police are keen to unravel.

But there are still many more leads than actual trails to the truth in this mysterious crime. With only two young witnesses, no clear motive, and no identified suspect, the case continues to baffle authorities. And unless there is some major breakthrough or someone confesses, it may never be known exactly what happened on the lonely mountain road where the family and cyclist were killed.


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27 OCT 2012 at 10:06pm

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Len, do you have any guesses as to the motive behind the killings?



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28 OCT 2012 at 4:49am

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Originally Posted By Pygmy_Marmoset (27 OCT 2012 10:06pm)

Len, do you have any guesses as to the motive behind the killings?

I can only guess as to the perpetrator of this heinous crime, the same as everybody else.

It seems to have baffled the police of both the UK and France - unless they are keeping things under wraps.

As I wrote previously there seem to be so many personal motives that it would have made an excellent Agatha Christie novel - and as such my guess is probably wrong.

However, it seems to me, purely personally, that Mr. Al-Hilli has been surreptitiously involved in ' dirty work'.

Maybe spying; maybe money laundering; possibly arms dealing; maybe smuggling; etc.

And these gruesome cold-blooded assassinations were carried out by somebody who is well acquainted with murder - quite likely a hitman hired by some group as revenge or possibly as a blood feud.

 

 


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