Originally Posted By Traveller (14 MAR 2012 11:56am)

Is that vid supposed to come with sound?

 

Yes. I can hear what they say in it. 

uhm ok, maybe i'll try it with a completely different shepard another time to see what difference it will make in the end.

Spoiler Alertbecause right now i'm completely confused, i really didn't get what was going on in the end. Maybe i'm too tired for this because it is already late right now... wtf?!!!

Originally Posted By markornikov (14 MAR 2012 5:21pm)

uhm ok, maybe i'll try it with a completely different shepard another time to see what difference it will make in the end.

 

Spoiler Alertbecause right now i'm completely confused, i really didn't get what was going on in the end. Maybe i'm too tired for this because it is already late right now... wtf?!!!

I've been reading peoples responses to the whole game, while trying to avoid spoilers as much as possible, and the ending(s) seem to be a large annoyances. Spoiler Alert Basically there are 16 endings in total, but the difference between them is minimal. Your choices through the game don't matter, at all (apart from your warscore, which if high enough adds a few rather unimportant seconds if it is high enough). The ending(s) is(/are) so disliked that people prefer to make up "it was just a dream" explanations.

Originally Posted By Fnord (14 MAR 2012 5:35pm)

The ending(s) is(/are) so disliked that people prefer to make up "it was just a dream" explanations. 

I've also read those threads, they come up with the most ridiculous theories. 

On a positive side i did get the opportunity to choose the ending i had in mind quite early into the game, so it wasn't all bad 

If someone else finishes this game, i want to hear their thoughts.

Dang, I knew I shouldn't have viewed this thread.

It's not that nice to post major ending spoilers for ao 3 part game and not even use spoiler tags.

oops, if i posted i spoiler somewhere please tell me, so i can cover it up with spoiler tags, because i don't know where i wrote something bad. 

I'm awefully sorry if my post was the one that contained spoilers. I've added spoiler tags to the part that describes why people are so annoyed with the ending(s).

Hmmmm... I've just re-read this entire thread trying to find spoilers...  I don't see any, not even the stuff hidden by spoiler tags??

..and I haven't even started ME3 yet.  

I must be a really numb nutz when it comes to spoilers, because I never recognize them. 

Well, I really hope it wasn't me who posted spoilers again, because I don't know a single thing about ME3 or the story, beyond what I read here on JA,  I haven't been visiting The Watch or any other gaming sites lately. 

Spoiler AlertExcept if saying that many ppl don't like the ending is the spoiler?  If it is, I don't really see it, but like I said, I'm a numb nutz and should probably cover all my posts completely with spoiler tags.... 

At first i also didn't like to know Spoiler Alertthat the ending sucked, but in the end it was a relief to know it beforehand.

Don't read this article if you haven't played or finished ME3 because it will spoil a lot, but it tells exactly what is wrong with ME3 and why so many are outraged:

http://tinyurl.com/7ncun9a

No it wasn't you Trav lol.

I was mainly talking about seeing people say

Spoiler AlertIt's all a dream stuff, that's something I didn't know nor did I want to...cause if it is

Originally Posted By Stiler (15 MAR 2012 12:22pm)

No it wasn't you Trav lol.

 

I was mainly talking about seeing people say

 

Spoiler AlertIt's all a dream stuff, that's something I didn't know nor did I want to...cause if it is

The "It's a dream" stuff was peoples way of trying to explain away an ending that they hated. I think it was mainly meant as a joke, as in "it is even worse than an It was just a dream type endings"

Now I'm very curious , damn you all, and will probably try to get the game sooner than i would have otherwise, to get to see what all the fuss is about.

Hmm, anyway, saying an ending is bad, isn't really a spoiler to me, because I've found that such things tend to be a matter of taste; for instance lots of people loved the sequels to ME and DA :  O more than the original, but I loved the original more.

Anyway, but still - now I'm very curious ... bah  I wonder if it means that Spoiler AlertSheppard is going to die or something?

But that kind of thing I really don't want to know, please don't even say yes or no to what I posted under my spoiler tag.    Knowing that would be so much a spoiler for me that I'll hunt you down wherever you are hiding....  

Ugh I hate you all, and I hate the internet.   Now I'm going to have to make a plan to get this stuuuupiiid game...  

Oh, it all ends with Spoiler Alerta message urging the player to buy the dlc ... seriously, i'm not kidding!!!!

warning: reading the spoiler will make you even more pissed off at EA 

Originally Posted By markornikov (15 MAR 2012 2:27pm)

Oh, it all ends with Spoiler Alerta message urging the player to buy the dlc ... seriously, i'm not kidding!!!!

 

warning: reading the spoiler will make you even more pissed off at EA 

I've seen it. An angry friend of mine sent a screenshot of it as soon as he had finished the game, Spoiler Alert telling me that he would never buy any DLC from EA again, in protest of that lame last screen

I dont even know how to put that spoiler tag into the posts...

and i have just begun Mass Effect 2...whcih starts out pretty cool with lots of intense action...

i cant wait to see a certain location again....

sorry if 3 was not liked, i just enjoy seeing such nice space subject matter and good sci fi translated into a visual format..it is like bing in a movie the way they have animated the people and everythng so nicely.

pretty amazing series.

I haven't finished the game yet. 

But I strongly suspect that I'll be taking it back to the shop to trade in once I'm done with it. Along with all of the other Mass Effect games, out of sheer disgust.

So far in the game, I've fought two types of enemies; Cerberus, and Reaper. No variety in enemies. Bleh. 

I picked up the DLC, and it's 'big relevations' about the Protheans has only made me dislike them entirely. Not giving any spoilers,  though. 

And I do NOT like it when games try to force me into playing multiplayer in order to complete the single-player stuff. Games should have single player or multi player options, sure. But never the twain should meet. Let them both do their own respective things. 

If the endings are as disappointing as I've heard, it won't be a big surprise. 

Originally Posted By MJEccles (16 MAR 2012 3:01am)

 

And I do NOT like it when games try to force me into playing multiplayer in order to complete the single-player stuff. Games should have single player or multi player options, sure. But never the twain should meet. Let them both do their own respective things. 

 

so true! The decision to add multiplayer is probabaly the reason why some things went wrong with ME3

Spoiler AlertWhy they decided that players, who played a few hours in multiplayer should have an equal chance of success as players who took all the 'right' decisions over the course of 3 games, is something i really cannot comprehend

I still like ME3 a lot though, it just left me with a bitter aftertaste once i had finished it.

Originally Posted By MJEccles (16 MAR 2012 3:01am)

 

 

And I do NOT like it when games try to force me into playing multiplayer in order to complete the single-player stuff. Games should have single player or multi player options, sure. But never the twain should meet. Let them both do their own respective things. 

 

I suspect that the multiplayer part was added (and nearly forced upon anyone willing to play the game) in order to promote the microtransaction system that they have in place. You can simply pay some extra to level up faster and get better equipment, so that you don't have to spend as much time playing it online... 

ouch, talking about bad publicity. 

Bioware is even getting criticism on major news channels like BBCnews:

Warning this article contains some minor spoilers regarding the ending

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17444719

It is hard to understand how a game company as good as Bioware could be so indiferent to fans affection for the leading character in a stunning seires of games. It just takes a modicum of sensitivity to realize that they will LIKE that character and WANT there to be a satisfying ending,...i fear it is another example of what is claimed to be artistic license gone amuck. It is NOT aritistc or valid for a creative professinal to act in blatant disregard for their audience, for it is basically troling and flaming that same audience but they try to disguise it as their creative urge.

Really what they are saying is that they dont WANT to do what they are doing, they dont really WANT to write a game script or work for a game developer or publish a game ,they just want our money ..and to heck with what we think or feel.

I am very tired of this elitist snobbery that has invaded almost all of the creative arts going back to John Cage who "wrote" a pice of non music which consisted of him sitting silent and immobile at a piano for a period of time and then getting up and leaving...or abstract art which has been corrupted by blatant egotism in the form of totally unmeaning lack of content...and literature and movies and plays likewise that thumb their noses at the "public" and ask to be accepted on zero merit just because they are packaged like the real thing.

This is a hard lesson for the game industry but a good one and I think in the end Bioware will have to do the right thing, and will, but they are making themselves look realy silly by ojecting and dragging their feet....if they had been smart they would have done some fast work in the creation studio and released a "suprrise" and FREE ending as a bonus add on....  that would have saved them a lot of grief.

Seperate question..is it really mandatory for SP to play in MP to finish ME 3?  that is a shock if true, there is no way that should be allowed to stand.

Originally Posted By CrisGer (21 MAR 2012 1:10pm)

Seperate question..is it really mandatory for SP to play in MP to finish ME 3?  that is a shock if true, there is no way that should be allowed to stand.

To get the 'best' ending you're almost obliged to play in MP, unless you do everything 'right', which is impossible for renegade characters. 

Spoiler AlertNot that it matters much though because there isn't that much difference between the good and bad endings. In the final mission there're 3 different choices that have a much bigger impact on the endings. And even then the differences are minor.

Originally Posted By CrisGer (21 MAR 2012 12:53pm)

It is hard to understand how a game company as good as Bioware could be so indiferent to fans affection for the leading character in a stunning seires of games. It just takes a modicum of sensitivity to realize that they will LIKE that character and WANT there to be a satisfying ending,...i fear it is another example of what is claimed to be artistic license gone amuck. It is NOT aritistc or valid for a creative professinal to act in blatant disregard for their audience, for it is basically troling and flaming that same audience but they try to disguise it as their creative urge.

 

Really what they are saying is that they dont WANT to do what they are doing, they dont really WANT to write a game script or work for a game developer or publish a game ,they just want our money ..and to heck with what we think or feel.

 

I am very tired of this elitist snobbery that has invaded almost all of the creative arts going back to John Cage who "wrote" a pice of non music which consisted of him sitting silent and immobile at a piano for a period of time and then getting up and leaving...or abstract art which has been corrupted by blatant egotism in the form of totally unmeaning lack of content...and literature and movies and plays likewise that thumb their noses at the "public" and ask to be accepted on zero merit just because they are packaged like the real thing.

 

This is a hard lesson for the game industry but a good one and I think in the end Bioware will have to do the right thing, and will, but they are making themselves look realy silly by ojecting and dragging their feet....if they had been smart they would have done some fast work in the creation studio and released a "suprrise" and FREE ending as a bonus add on....  that would have saved them a lot of grief.

http://blog.bioware.com/

you're probably referring to their statement today, you're pointing out exactly what is wrong with what they're saying.

the whole statement is yet another PR disaster, NEVER belittle your customers, now matter how wrong you think they are.

Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the high ratings offered by critics – but out of respect to our fans, we need to accept the criticism and feedback with humility.

This quote is just infuriating, as if we don't know EA pays off reviewer for high ratings.

And even if they wouldn't be biased, you should be listening to your customers not to reviewers

Originally Posted By markornikov (21 MAR 2012 2:27pm)

 

Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the high ratings offered by critics – but out of respect to our fans, we need to accept the criticism and feedback with humility.

 

This quote is just infuriating, as if we don't know EA pays off reviewer for high ratings.

And even if they wouldn't be biased, you should be listening to your customers not to reviewers

 

 

And how many of those critics actually reached the end? One of the most common tricks to get good reviews is to frontload your game, show everything that is cool/good about it from the get-go, and then work less on the later parts This creates a game that any critic that does not have time to play more than a few hours will love, but anyone who plays through the entire game will be able to see the issues that the critic was unable to see, because (s)he never got far enough. 

And Neoseeker had an interview with people from Larian studios about the issues with game reviewing and "buying reviews":

http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Games/Interviews/larian_studios_pt1/

oh my god, it's even worse then i thought, someone made a youtube video synchronising a few 'different' endings:

Spoilers!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPelM2hwhJA

the result is infuriating, it's mostly just a different color scheme