| 19 MAR 2003 at 1:35am |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By SirDave (19 MAR 2003 1:30am)
Orion my friend, trust me, there is no way. No matter what you reply with there will be not even the slightest concession.
I did not get to be a Grand Master by making consessions!
I forgot my sig.
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| 19 MAR 2003 at 1:49am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Orion,
You seem to be living in a magical fantasy world where there are no "good" or "bad" games. People need reviews to find out what games are worth their hard earned money. Reviews have always been, and will always be opinions. This is the nature of the beast. If you were to actually READ the review, you will find out lots of stuff about the game, including the graphics, story, gameplay, etcetera, which will help you make a decision. The grade is the reviewers overall opinion on the quality of the game. You can choose to heed it or ignore it based on the content of the review. You can also read other reviews to see other people's opinions and ratings of the game. The fact is, some games are better than others, and without reviews, consumers would have no idea which are which.
MichaelN is correct. The idea of an objective review is self contradictory. Review = Opinion.
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| 19 MAR 2003 at 8:47am |
OrionIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | jujigatame,
How can you say that that with such simplicity, you act like you are reviewing my 15 minute written poem that cost me one piece of paper, 15 minutes of lead and 15 minutes of my time. I will add more to this later today.
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| 19 MAR 2003 at 5:40pm |
| Deleted User | Michael/Orion,
It is my strong personal feeling that you need to knock this off. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and opinions don't need to become contests.
Harriet@JA
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| 19 MAR 2003 at 7:42pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Orion, I have no idea what you just said.
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| 19 MAR 2003 at 9:01pm |
emmaPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Reading this through, made me analyze my own review-reading habits. I'm like Harriet, I have a few favorite reviewers, that I trust enough to just watch the grade, and then go get it. Others I read through and I look for clues, as to how I would like it regardless of how the writer felt. Like somebody mentioned earlier, sliders, mazes, lots of walking, talking and stuff like that. That of course does require that the author feels some sort of responsibility in describing the game, for it to work as something that I could base the decision of buying the game or not.
So in a way, if it's a reviewer I trust, grades are great, and doesn't take too much research on my part. On the other hand, grades are in fact useless if I have no previous, or irregular experiences, by another contributer. I guess I'm in the middle on this one. I do enjoy Quandry.com's reviews for instance, they are small essays, bring up pro's and con's by a certain format that works excellently, and they never grade the games. Very brave, all things considered I think.
I remember somebody saying that they would like the grades in a prominent place so that they could check quickly where the game ended score-wise. This struck me as completely irresponsible of sorts, thinking that it would be taking a chance even if it's a grade A game. But, far be it from me to deny that comfortable access of other players, to each their own and all that, so I guess grades are here to stay!
All in all, it's definately not a subject worth arguing over IMO, even though I feel it's good to have discussions about it, remind the reviewers of their responsibilities towards their faithful readers!
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| 19 MAR 2003 at 11:01pm |
OrionIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | I would like to say at no time was I trying to put anybody down. I did not think anyone was arguing. If I came across that way, it was taken in the wrong manner. I just feel very strong about this topic.
Jujitame,
I did not understand me either but I know what I was trying to say.
To sum all this up,
Reviews will always be opinions in some sort of way I guess. I just think more time should be devoted to analyzing the game. If one can do this there would be no need for the grade. I was going to give an outline of my idea for a review but have found one here from one of JA’s great reviewers. Keep in mind even though the game was given high marks, the review could have been written to the negative.
Egypt II
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| 19 MAR 2003 at 11:37pm |
Monsey_JoeIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Quandary.com has an editorial somewhere about why they don't give grades. I agree with Orion that grades can be misleading.For example the Secret of Monkey Island Review was given a C. All the complaints against the game I agreed with. However the humor is so much fun I can ignore the mnor problems. A combination of the review focusing on faults and bad grades can be misleading.
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| 29 MAR 2003 at 3:34am |
Jenny100Guild Master
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Status : Offline | I usually look at the grade, then read the review to find out why it might have gotten that grade.
But back when I first started playing games, and had no idea what to spend money on, I'd look at the final grades and pick the ones that got at least a B+ to read the review. If the review made the game sound like something I'd like, I'd put it on a list of games to think about getting.
When you're first starting out, looking for games that might interest you, there are so MANY reviews to read, even on one single site. Unless you've already heard something about a particular game, a good review grade is probably a better indication of which reviews to read than a game title.
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| 29 MAR 2003 at 6:29am |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | To tell you the truth when i was younger i used to play only the A or A+ adventure games but now that i got old and wary i play everything that gets on my claws.
About the sites with reviews, i usually read only Just Adventure but i go to Adventure Gamers too. Sometimes i go to gamespot or gamespy but i don't trust them!!! Gamespot graded Hitman 2 with (i am not sure) 8,6 >. What at the name of God was wrong with the game? I found it absolutely PERFECT. The reviewers are sooooo biased i just can't put up with them .
Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit.
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| 29 MAR 2003 at 7:07am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Dude, you cannot call Gamespot's reviewer's biased for giving Hitman 2 an 8.6 rating. According to gamerankings.com, the average rating for Hitman 2 was an 85.7%, so Gamespot actually gave it a BETTER rating than most publications. To be fair, there were many better action games out last year, including Medal of Honor and Jedi Knight 2.
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| 29 MAR 2003 at 7:18am |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | I agree that Metal of Honor was awesome!!! About the other thing, i noticed that reader's grade in Gamespot put it 9,1!!! This explains a lot .
Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit.
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