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| 27 SEP 2011 at 8:25pm |
TravellerGuild Master


Posts : 4039 Joined: 3 JUL 2010 Location: US
Status : Offline | I hate when developers/ publishers get on their high horses and waste money like this, which could rather have gone into positive PR or developing new games.
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"They are not reciprocally sublated--the one does not sublate the other externally--but each sublates itself in itself and is in its own self the opposite of itself" (Hegel, from The Doctrine of Being)..."
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| 27 SEP 2011 at 9:29pm |
markornikovJourneyman

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Posts : 1302 Joined: 28 OCT 2011 Location: BE, Antwerp
Status : Offline | bah, every developer seems to have some darker side to them
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| 27 SEP 2011 at 10:09pm |
FnordSchattenjger


Posts : 2751 Joined: 15 SEP 2008 Location: SE, Stockholm
Status : Offline | Yes, and really I'm seriously considering not buying Skyrim until it hits the bargain bin because of this. They are not getting 45€ from me if they are going to bully small developers like Mojang.
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| 3 OCT 2011 at 11:18am |
markornikovJourneyman

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Posts : 1302 Joined: 28 OCT 2011 Location: BE, Antwerp
Status : Offline | Then again maybe Bethesda has no other choice than to take this case to court. I don't know how trademark regulations work in Sweden, but in Belgium if someone discovers that a company is violating his trademark and doesn't take action, they might lose their trademark.
If you want to commercialise a product, one should always check for possible trademark or patent infringements. Better safe than sorry!
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| 4 OCT 2011 at 1:24am |
walshSorcerer Apprentice


Posts : 384 Joined: 15 DEC 2010
Status : Offline | I think if this case is successful, then the developers of Beneath a Steel Sky (Revolution Software) should take Bethesda to court over Skyrim
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| 4 OCT 2011 at 7:05am |
TravellerGuild Master


Posts : 4039 Joined: 3 JUL 2010 Location: US
Status : Offline | Heheh, I wonder who'll get to own the word JOURNEY.... or LORD or BATTLE or WAR ...and when they start fighting over the word THE, then we're really in trouble... [smiley=rofl.gif]
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“Despite my ghoulish reputation, I really have the heart of a small boy. I keep it in a jar on my desk.” - Robert Bloch
"They are not reciprocally sublated--the one does not sublate the other externally--but each sublates itself in itself and is in its own self the opposite of itself" (Hegel, from The Doctrine of Being)..."
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| 4 OCT 2011 at 9:34am |
FnordSchattenjger


Posts : 2751 Joined: 15 SEP 2008 Location: SE, Stockholm
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By markornikov (3 OCT 2011 11:18am) Then again maybe Bethesda has no other choice than to take this case to court. I don't know how trademark regulations work in Sweden, but in Belgium if someone discovers that a company is violating his trademark and doesn't take action, they might lose their trademark.
If you want to commercialise a product, one should always check for possible trademark or patent infringements. Better safe than sorry! Swedish laws are similar, as far as I know. But as far as I know, you may use common words like this, as long as there is no real risk of the consumers believing that the two products are related. A similar example would be Doom and Doom trooper, both contain the word Doom, yet there is no real risk of the two being confused with each other, so there were no real case. And Doom troopers is also from Sweden, so the very same laws should apply (Doom troopers was released for the SNES & Sega megadrive in 1995, and was based on the Swedish pen & paper RPG Mutant Chronicles, which also had a board game called Doom trooper)
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| 9 OCT 2011 at 5:36pm |
CrisGerSchattenjger


Posts : 2538 Joined: 28 APR 2007 Location: US
Status : Offline | I have supported and continue to support Bethesda as one of the best and most advanced game developers in the game industry...their titles have always reflected a push for quality, immersive worlds and remarkable story, and I don't think it is fair to base an opinion on this matter on the publicity seeking of Mojang, which is a very different kind of company with different methods and tactics...much more aggressive and self focused...
here is a bit of truth from Bethesda which for me settles the matter,
Bethesda's vice president Pete Hines gave the following insight:
"Mojang's public comments have not given a complete picture as it relates to their filings, our trademarks, or events that have taken place. This is a business matter based on how trademark law works and it will continue to be dealt with by lawyers who understand it, not by me or our developers."
"Nobody here enjoys being forced into this. Hopefully it will all be resolved soon."
I will continue to support and cheer Bethesda on, for they have consistently created not only wonderful games but have given the players and the player communities unrivaled tools for expanding and improving the titles that they do release. The literally have no equal, and I think they deserve support and loyalty. I have been a book publisher and Rights manager and in the realm of copyright and protection of assets, if you don't defend any possible infringement, you will lose big time to the rights sharks who are cruising all the time. It is so bad that many disreputable companies file titles and concepts just to try to grab the rights and then sit on them waiting for someone to come buy the rights so that a book, movie, or game can be produced.
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| 9 OCT 2011 at 7:09pm |
FnordSchattenjger


Posts : 2751 Joined: 15 SEP 2008 Location: SE, Stockholm
Status : Offline | I have supported and continue to support Bethesda as one of the best and most advanced game developers in the game industry...their titles have always reflected a push for quality, immersive worlds and remarkable story, and I don't think it is fair to base an opinion on this matter on the publicity seeking of Mojang, which is a very different kind of company with different methods and tactics...much more aggressive and self focused... Mojang actually offered to change the name of their game or at least meet them halfway, but Bethesda did not, according to the escapist, give them a reply to that. So with that in mind, I really can't see bethesda as the "good guys" here, Mojang is a small indie company, and going to court is expensive for them, no matter who wins. Also, I've been reading up a bit on this, and under Swedish law, it would seem like Mojang is doing nothing wrong here, as far as I can tell at least. Bethesda are trying to go to Swedish court with an American case.
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| 9 OCT 2011 at 8:54pm |
CrisGerSchattenjger


Posts : 2538 Joined: 28 APR 2007 Location: US
Status : Offline | I have read up on it too, and i do not trust a casual post by an unknown poster like the escapist to give the facts or to even know them fully..unless it is another ploy by one of the parties to get public support.
It was a rather blatant attempt to grab some of the rep of the Elder Scrolls games, there really wasn't any need for them to try to hang their new game on a Scrolls title... unless that was their intent. Anyone know is in the game industry would know that from the start..just as anyone is careful about using Star or Doom in a game name for obvious reasons. I support Bethesda because of what they have created and continue to create and I don't think legal matters involving license or rights should have any bearing on support for games...it is a different matter altogether.
And on top of that, comparing the productions of the two companies, there is just no way to put them on any kind of equal footing, or respect. I am sorry but i find what Mojang has produced boring and just dumb. All of the above is only my own personal opinion and hopefully will be seen as that. Exchange of opinions is a much appreciated part of this forum.
And bottom line remains, rights not defended are rights lost...and there is no way that Mojang would not know that. At this point they have achieved their goal of gaining notice I am sure..and there is a chance that was their intent from the start, i have had to learn the hard way being in the business of such things that people are rarely as innocent as they want to appear.
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| 9 OCT 2011 at 9:13pm |
FnordSchattenjger


Posts : 2751 Joined: 15 SEP 2008 Location: SE, Stockholm
Status : Offline | Have you seen what the new game by Mojang is about? It is literally about scrolls, so I do think they picked the name because it suited their game, not because they wanted to infringe on any copyrights (which they really don't under Swedish law anyway (as far as I can tell), which is what Mojang needs to follow, as it is a Swedish company). Notch, the person who started the company is also a person who time and time again have voiced his support for Bethesda, even describing the company as one of his main sources of inspiration (that and Bay 12 games).
Have you played Minecraft? It is the only game released to date by Mojang. While it is not graphically pleasing, it is a sandbox game where you are allowed to create what you want to create. It is a game that looks simple but it is also deceptively complex, offering the tools needed to create some quite amazing things. People have built working computers inside the game. It is also important to realize that Minecraft is still in its beta, and many features (including an adventure mode) has not even been implemented yet. The best way to describe Minecraft is like a very complex version of lego for adults.
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| 18 OCT 2011 at 8:46pm |
FnordSchattenjger


Posts : 2751 Joined: 15 SEP 2008 Location: SE, Stockholm
Status : Offline | Unsurprisingly Swedish court found that ZeniMax and Bethesda had a very weak case, and ruled in favor of Mojang, which was what was expected by most people. This was very much the case of ZeniMax & Bethesda trying to apply American laws in another country, it would seem.
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| 20 OCT 2011 at 4:24pm |
KarstenSorcerer Apprentice


Posts : 347 Joined: 23 SEP 2006 Location: DK
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Fnord (18 OCT 2011 8:46pm) Unsurprisingly Swedish court found that ZeniMax and Bethesda had a very weak case, and ruled in favor of Mojang, which was what was expected by most people. This was very much the case of ZeniMax & Bethesda trying to apply American laws in another country, it would seem.
I also expected this outcome, since US infringement laws do not seem to exist in the EU, and in Sweden at all, and if they do, they are nowhere a harsh as the US laws.
I have done some research into this, and while in both Sweden and Denmark, we do have copyright laws, we do not seem to have what in the US is called 'trademark infringement'. Though we do have trademark laws that protects one's trademark from being misused.
Normally, I'd guess, when people recieve a cease & decist letter from a lawfirm, they'll be scared and do everything to comply i.e. make a compromise or deal with the bigger company e.g. Bethesda. Mojang is not such a person or company, the guy behind Mojan has a god lawyer, it seems.
However, the only ones that seemed to have been rich e.g. earned from this must be the lawyers...
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| 20 OCT 2011 at 6:20pm |
FnordSchattenjger


Posts : 2751 Joined: 15 SEP 2008 Location: SE, Stockholm
Status : Offline | The law is a bit subjective in how it works. Basically the law says that if there is a large chance of the target audience of the product/service will be confused with another similar product/service then you may not pick a similar name. The large difference between the two games made this far more favorable for Mojang, as did the expected knowledge of the target audience.
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