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| 22 MAR 2003 at 12:58am |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (22 MAR 2003 12:48am)
It appears MichalN interpreted it the same way.
Oh well, that changes everything!!
The future ain't what it used to be!
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 2:39am |
jamarchandSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (21 MAR 2003 7:12pm)
Let's face it, the reason it is one of the best selling games of all time is that people wanted to show off their shiny new CD-ROM drives.
juji"gay"tame.....While Myst-loves have pride in exhibit their shiny CD-ROMs, you should feel shame to show us your void brain.
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 4:05am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Well at this point I've lost the ability to determine whether you're just messing around or really being a dickhead, so I'll just make the most clever retort known to man: "I know you are but what am I?"
Oh, and you're a doodyhead.
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 11:38am |
| Deleted User | Okay, there's Hot Spot topics then there's just insulting eachother. Please stop or I'm applying to get this thread locked.
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 1:04pm |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | monkeybone: why you don't use your standard avatar???
Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit.
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 2:20pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | jujigatame, you should refrain yourself of arguing with jamarchand. He has shown to us that he's an obsessed person and as one he claims such things as "Myst was the first adventure game" and "cartoons aren't for serious gamers". If you dare to mention just one single game that came before Myst, he will say that you're a prehistoric gamer and other BS. As you can see, he insults anyone that disagrees with him (hey, reminds me of someone else). And the worst part is that he's 37 years-old.
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 3:37pm |
| Deleted User | Come on, people, stop it. This is just f*cked up b*tching of the highest degree... It's all been done before, too.
Lets get this balanced, yeah?
Godfather - I was "leeching" it from another site, read something on the forums about it being illegal, panicked and remved it. I'm trying to get it sorted, as I have the image on my website, but it's just a case of finding the time to sort it out.
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 3:56pm |
dimidimidimiSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I love you Pinky :-*
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 5:01pm |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (22 MAR 2003 12:37am)
I won't argue with you on the "Myst was an influential adventure game that spawned a whole bunch of other adventure games" point if you won't argue with me on the "Myst sucks" point. Deal?
In the name of getting back on the subject (or one of them) and an even keel since I have no gripe with you, you've got a deal and it's a good one. What you say above is pretty much all I was asking. At this point I only get involved in the discussion as to whether Myst is good or not if that happens to be the topic at hand since as has been pointed out, that subject has been well discussed. But I still can't help but respond when out of nowhere some individuals still feel the need to eliminate Myst and all its brethren from the category of adventure games. I don't think those same individuals would appreciate it if we said the games they liked weren't adventure games either.
I understand that you weren't eliminating Myst etc. from the adventure game category, but it initially came across that way when you responded to my post which was a response to Aya Brea's oft-repeated comment that Myst 'is not even an adventure game anyway'.
The future ain't what it used to be!
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 5:02pm |
jamarchandSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Rael (22 MAR 2003 2:20pm)
jujigatame, you should refrain yourself of arguing with jamarchand. He has shown to us that he's an obsessed person and as one he claims such things as "Myst was the first adventure game" and "cartoons aren't for serious gamers". If you dare to mention just one single game that came before Myst, he will say that you're a prehistoric gamer and other BS. As you can see, he insults anyone that disagrees with him (hey, reminds me of someone else). And the worst part is that he's 37 years-old.
Let me see.......Jujigaytame said that myst gamers bought it only to show off their new shiny CD-ROMs, and now, I'm the greatest radical! Gimme a break!
He can spit on Myst fans, and I have to agree in silence?
"NEWTON'S LAW"
OBS: Paulo Coelho readers, could never be taken seriously. He represents the junky thought, enough only to tame obnoxious sheeps.
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 5:16pm |
jamarchandSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (22 MAR 2003 4:05am)
Well at this point I've lost the ability to determine whether you're just messing around or really being a dickhead, so I'll just make the most clever retort known to man: "I know you are but what am I?"
Oh, and you're a doodyhead.
At this or any other point you lost the ability to determinate anything else, because your pre-judjement of myst-lovers was absolutelly unhappy.
Follow this behavior >>>>> :-X
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 5:19pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jamarchand (22 MAR 2003 5:02pm)
Let me see.......Jujigaytame said that myst gamers bought it only to show off their new shiny CD-ROMs, and now, I'm the greatest radical! Gimme a break!
He can spit on Myst fans, and I have to agree in silence?
"NEWTON'S LAW"
1) It's his opinion. He never spitted on Myst-fans but you insulted him. No surprise here though - as I said before, you're so obsessed with the subject that you simply can't stand when someone says something negative about Myst.
BTW his statement is quite right. Most of the people that buyed Myst in the first place wanted to tax their new CD drives. Of course, you're never going to accept that.
OBS: Paulo Coelho readers, could never be taken seriously. He represents the junky thought, enough only to tame obnoxious sheeps.
2) Read my posts more carefully next time - I don't read Coelho.
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 5:31pm |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Rael (22 MAR 2003 5:19pm)
BTW his statement is quite right. Most of the people that buyed Myst in the first place wanted to tax their new CD drives. Of course, you're never going to accept that.
Actually, there's some truth in that, but you can't account for 6-7 million sales based just on everyone testing their new systems. Those sales had to come to some extent from the fact that those people who purchased Myst to 'test' their new hardware, played it thru, enjoyed it, and told everyone else to buy it. I was one of those. I started playing it in 1994 and told everyone who would listen to go out and buy it.
The future ain't what it used to be!
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 5:42pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Of course not all of them, but I think most of the people did so. Another of the reasons Myst was a best-seller that brought so many people to the genre was, as I said before, it's simplicity. And the good-looking graphics, of course. The same reasons that made Doom a best-seller.
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 5:42pm |
jamarchandSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Rael (22 MAR 2003 5:19pm)
2) Read my posts more carefully next time - I don't read Coelho.
Congratulations baby!.....avoid Paulo Coelho is a good start!
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 5:54pm |
jamarchandSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | Thank you great gamer RAEL, for not listening to us (Myst-fans) and not taking us seriously, but know that we are listening to you and that we will not forget your words.
"jamarchand"
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 6:05pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Honestly, I don't know why I even bother replying to you. I guess I'll have to stop - discussing with a ten year-old kid was never too productive.
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 7:04pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I'm also done on this thread. It appears that SirDave and I have come to an understanding, and I'm not gonna stick around for jamarchand's pathetic trolling attempts.
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 7:11pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (22 MAR 2003 7:04pm)
I'm also done on this thread. It appears that SirDave and I have come to an understanding, and I'm not gonna stick around for jamarchand's pathetic trolling attempts.
oh it seems you realized what jamar is all about : now you'll now not to pay attention to his usual pre-school behaviours... don't worry it took some time for the rest of us to realize it and we were actually responding to him and trying to "coverse" with him at first... : of course this mistake is not done anymore
You have gotten the attention of the mysterious lady. She turns to face you. Her face is devoid of any flesh. You are frozen with horror as she begins ripping your body into a bloody mess.
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| 23 MAR 2003 at 1:32am |
| Deleted User | Here's my two cents.
An adventure game cannot be pure story. There is already a medium which is based around story. It is called a BOOK.
An adventure game cannot be pure graphics. There is already a medium which is based around graphics. It is called a PICTURE.
An adventure game cannot be completely video sequences. There is already a medium based around video sequences. It is called a MOVIE.
An adventure game cannot be nothing but puzzles. There is already a medium based around puzzles. It is called a PUZZLE.
An adventure game cannot be a great story with great puzzles, but have graphics drawn in Paint, or your stammering sister performing the voice acting. There is already a medium which has great story and puzzles but no graphics and sound. It is called a TEXT ADVENTURE. A good text adventure is better than the same graphics adventure with awful multimedia.
If you have a great idea for a story, but no ideas for gameplay and no ideas for puzzles which fit the story, then your game, however fascinating, is not a good adventure game. Go write a book.
If you have a lot of pretty pictures floating around in your head, draw them on a canvas. Do not make a game around them.
If you have a lot of beautiful cinematic sequences, go make a movie. Do not force us to play through a single, predetermined path to watch 10 disks full of full-motion video.
If you have thunk up a great game, but cannot draw, make a text adventure. It is much easier to program and will not torture your gaming public.
Maybe this is pretentious and maybe my expectations are too high, but my basic theory for gaming is that if one element is missing, the rest of the game is out the window. Sure, story is central but if Jane Jensen had made GK3 as an interactive movie with 3 breaks to change disks, you wouldn't buy it. It wouldn't be a game.
I hope that made sense.
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| 23 MAR 2003 at 6:04am |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | Very good job Fickfack! I agree with all your opinios. I don't want a game (not just adventure) to have nothing but graphics!! For instance, Unreal 2. The game simply sucked. I really don't know why they released it? Maybe....for the money? This is simply crap...
Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit.
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| 23 MAR 2003 at 8:39am |
| Deleted User | Fickfack may have got it down in one... er... hundred words... I dunno...
But I pretty much agree with everything he's got down there.
BTW - Godfather, I didn't think it was that bad, as a very VERY basic Serious Sam style shooter. Thing is, it was one huge drawn out cinematic where you went around shooting things... and the graphics weren't THAT good, even with a Geforce 4 TI4600. Roll on Doom 2. (now expecting to be dissapointed)
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| 23 MAR 2003 at 12:24pm |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | I don't want to tranfer this conversation here but generally Unreal 2 wasn't good
Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit.
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| 23 MAR 2003 at 5:53pm |
| Deleted User | OK, you may be right... anyone want a copy of Unreal 2?
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