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| 19 MAR 2003 at 2:06am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | For me, the most important things in making a good adventure game are the most important things in making a good movie. Story and characters. This is why I don't like the Myst series. Where's the story? Where are the characters?
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| 19 MAR 2003 at 11:17am |
jamarchandSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (19 MAR 2003 2:06am)
For me, the most important things in making a good adventure game are the most important things in making a good movie. Story and characters. This is why I don't like the Myst series. Where's the story? Where are the characters?
Did you already learned to read?
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| 20 MAR 2003 at 12:09pm |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | ok mad.bunny.girl you asked for it.........
i am going to give you my complete list of sites to download games........
www.the-underdogs.org
http://aw.localhost.ee/aw/
http://csr.oli.tudelft.nl/ondervereniging/xtc/
http://www.coolflash.dk/
http://www.freeoldies.com/
http://www.abandongames.com/
you could also try kazaa but i don't assure you that all the games will work
Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit.
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| 20 MAR 2003 at 12:55pm |
| Deleted User | Thanks this will keep me busy 4 a while :
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| 20 MAR 2003 at 7:49pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | jamarchand, what in holy hell are you talking about?
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| 20 MAR 2003 at 11:12pm |
jamarchandSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | Myst conception introduce an new way to tell the story, an new argument to run an adventure.
Basically, Miller Bros invested in the mechanical puzzles and extended envoirement exploration.
They developed graphical improvement and a story based in novels.
All you need is explore and solve the puzzles to reach the next information.
The plot revealing it-self slowly through the game's progress.
Cyan wanna give the gamers, a real "lost"sensation and solitude.
A MYSTery world, unknown, only distant hints and clues indicating you the way to go.
This is the CHARM of myst ages.
Nice graphics, some ancient documentation and exploration to solve the linked puzzles.
The absent-characters strategy was absolutelly correct. Interact with scenario is absolutelly enough.
Myst was concepted to be told in chapters.....so the overall novell, come in parts.
Well, if people saying that Myst concept is out dated actually, I agree.....there was and "are" lots of myst-clones (some bad and some good).
But, is undenying that Miller Bros produced the top best-seller adventure of all times.
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| 21 MAR 2003 at 1:00am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | All that, and yet I still consider it a horrible, overrated game, hollow and devoid of the things that make games fun to play.
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| 21 MAR 2003 at 11:54am |
jamarchandSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (21 MAR 2003 1:00am)
All that, and yet I still consider it a horrible, overrated game, hollow and devoid of the things that make games fun to play.
So, you don't like play adventure games.
My advice to you - Try to play ACTION ones.
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| 21 MAR 2003 at 1:27pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (21 MAR 2003 1:00am)
All that, and yet I still consider it a horrible, overrated game, hollow and devoid of the things that make games fun to play.
of course it's horrible and overrated... but it's not even an adventure so don't worry about not liking it!
You have gotten the attention of the mysterious lady. She turns to face you. Her face is devoid of any flesh. You are frozen with horror as she begins ripping your body into a bloody mess.
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| 21 MAR 2003 at 5:02pm |
jamarchandSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Aya Brea (21 MAR 2003 1:27pm)
of course it's horrible and overrated... but it's not even an adventure so don't worry about not liking it!
jamarchand's version....
of course she's horrible and overrated....but she's not even an adventure gamer so don't worry about not liking her!
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| 21 MAR 2003 at 7:13pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Aya Brea is quite correct while jamarachand has caught a case of the incorrect. I love adventure games (and action games, actually). Myst is neither. It's a glorified "Incredible Machine" with pretty pictures to back it up. No depth to the story and no characters to interact with. The game has no life, no zest, no appeal, no reason for me to want to play. That's the bottom line.
Let's face it, the reason it is one of the best selling games of all time is that people wanted to show off their shiny new CD-ROM drives.
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| 21 MAR 2003 at 7:39pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (21 MAR 2003 7:12pm)
It's a glorified "Incredible Machine" with pretty pictures to back it up
very accurate words! i knew it wasn't just me!!!
You have gotten the attention of the mysterious lady. She turns to face you. Her face is devoid of any flesh. You are frozen with horror as she begins ripping your body into a bloody mess.
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| 21 MAR 2003 at 8:14pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By jujigatame (21 MAR 2003 7:12pm)
Let's face it, the reason it is one of the best selling games of all time is that people wanted to show off their shiny new CD-ROM drives.
I suspect there is a lot of truth to that!
I forgot my sig.
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| 21 MAR 2003 at 8:33pm |
InlandAZGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Let's face it, the reason it is one of the best selling games of all time is that people wanted to show off their shiny new CD-ROM drives.
I bought The 7th Guest for that one. I picked up Myst shortly after, but never much cared for it.
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| 21 MAR 2003 at 8:43pm |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Aya Brea (21 MAR 2003 1:27pm)
of course it's horrible and overrated... but it's not even an adventure so don't worry about not liking it!
Same old inaccurate, silly B.S. You can dislike Myst and it's like all you want, but in fact, you don't know how lucky you are it existed because there wouldn't have been the huge outpouring of AGs after Myst if it hadn't been for Myst. As well, the fact is that Myst acted as a blueprint for making AGs that can be reasonably put together by small indies. Some of the best recent AG releases owe their existent to Myst and have obviously been designed based on the Myst template. That includes Rhem, Dark Fall, Comer and Nakah.
Not to mention the fact that the Adventure Game Forums would not be nearly as busy as they are if it weren't for the Myst-like games!
The future ain't what it used to be!
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| 21 MAR 2003 at 9:01pm |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | I liked both Myst and Riven! However, jujigatame said something really good " no characters to interact with". I agree with this one and i really thing that the reason Riven isn't in my top5 is this one . I know that some like the feeling of loneliness that Riven gives you but i kinda don't feel nice .
Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit.
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| 21 MAR 2003 at 9:31pm |
| Deleted User | Please redirect Myst arguments to the Myst thread... it's getting old.
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| 21 MAR 2003 at 9:38pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I'm pretty new to this forum but I should have assumed this topic has been covered ad nauseum. As for you SirDave, just because it spawned a whole new generation of adventure games doesn't mean it was good, nor does it mean that any of the games patterned off it are good. None of my favorite adventure games are anything like Myst.
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| 21 MAR 2003 at 11:04pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (21 MAR 2003 9:37pm)
just because it spawned a whole new generation of adventure games doesn't mean it was good, nor does it mean that any of the games patterned off it are good
AMEN! somebody else with common sense!!!
(just like saying just because britney spears spawned a whole new genenation of "singers", doesn't mean she's good (or really a singer) :)
You have gotten the attention of the mysterious lady. She turns to face you. Her face is devoid of any flesh. You are frozen with horror as she begins ripping your body into a bloody mess.
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 12:28am |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (21 MAR 2003 9:37pm)
I'm pretty new to this forum but I should have assumed this topic has been covered ad nauseum. As for you SirDave, just because it spawned a whole new generation of adventure games doesn't mean it was good, nor does it mean that any of the games patterned off it are good. None of my favorite adventure games are anything like Myst.
Well, like everyone with an agenda, you aren't responding to the original point I was responding to which doesn't have anything to do with whether Myst is good or not. The point is that it and it's lookalikes are as much an adventure game as any of the adventure games you or Aya Brea like and to say otherwise is to ignore somewhat over half of the adventure game market and the views of those on this forum.
You are right about one thing; you're new to this forum.
The future ain't what it used to be!
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 12:29am |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Aya Brea (21 MAR 2003 11:03pm)
(just like saying just because britney spears spawned a whole new genenation of "singers", doesn't mean she's good (or really a singer) :)
Boy, that's sure a convincing analogy.........not!
The future ain't what it used to be!
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 12:33am |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By SirDave (22 MAR 2003 12:28am)
You are right about one thing; you're new to this forum.
Was that supposed to be an argument?
I forgot my sig.
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 12:37am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | In your attempt to bully me by calling me a newbie, SirDave, you have overlooked one key point. I never said Myst wasn't an adventure game. I just said it SUCKED.
I won't argue with you on the "Myst was an influential adventure game that spawned a whole bunch of other adventure games" point if you won't argue with me on the "Myst sucks" point. Deal?
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| 22 MAR 2003 at 12:42am |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (22 MAR 2003 12:37am)
In your attempt to bully me by calling me a newbie, SirDave, you have overlooked one key point. I never said Myst wasn't an adventure game. I just said it SUCKED.
If you're that sensitive, you should reconsider posting on the Hot Spot. And I wasn't bullying you- I was in an abbreviated way suggesting that for you to say the subject has been discussed ad nauseum is rather presumptious for someone who has only recently started posting.
The future ain't what it used to be!
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