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| 16 MAR 2003 at 12:46am |
sennebecGuild Master
Posts : 3334
Joined: 15 NOV 2004
Location: US, maine
Status : Offline | in a nut shell :
story
logic
ambience
user-friendly interface
no ruthless pixel hunting
i want the total immersion experience...
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| 16 MAR 2003 at 1:09am |
SirDaveGuild Master
Posts : 4941
Joined: 17 OCT 2002
Location: US
Status : Offline | In a nutshell:
Riven!
The future ain't what it used to be!
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| 16 MAR 2003 at 1:32am |
WimliGuild Master
Posts : 3259
Joined: 14 MAR 2003
Status : Offline | In a(nother) nutshell:
Gabriel Knight 3
Why?
-An absolutely mind blowing story with a satisfying ending (and one that is just begging for a GK 4)
-a great script, fantastic dialogs, ...
-Great characters that you really care about
-bucket-loads of atmosphere
-puzzles that are well integrated into the storyline
-an interface that lets you completely explore the gaming world like no other adventure game has ever done before
-an immersive story
-top-notch voice acting
-an incredible soundtrack
-an intriguing story
-a suitable visual style, great graphics (well, they were in my opinion, I know some of you didn't like GK 3's graphics)
Oh, and did I mention the importance of a great story?
But most importantly: a game that stops feeling like a game, a game that mingles all the elements I named here above so good that it just sucks you into its world and makes you forget that you're actually playing a game!
Phew, so far for my two cents!
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| 16 MAR 2003 at 1:51am |
sennebecGuild Master
Posts : 3334
Joined: 15 NOV 2004
Location: US, maine
Status : Offline | jeepers, wimli...
that's a very big nut...
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| 16 MAR 2003 at 1:57am |
WimliGuild Master
Posts : 3259
Joined: 14 MAR 2003
Status : Offline | Well I just had to get it out of my system.
And besides, this forum is cheaper than paying for a psychiatrist!
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| 16 MAR 2003 at 2:47am |
CarlaJourneyman
Posts : 836
Joined: 12 JAN 2003
Status : Online | Originally Posted By Wimli (16 MAR 2003 1:31am)
In a(nother) nutshell:
Gabriel Knight 3
The perfect example...
Important features (IMO)
-Story
-Atmosphere
-Interesting characters (character's personality: funny, mysterious, intelligent...so on)
-Logical puzzles
That'd be good enough for me. And as you can see, I'm not asking for too much. :
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| 16 MAR 2003 at 2:56am |
WimliGuild Master
Posts : 3259
Joined: 14 MAR 2003
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Malia G (16 MAR 2003 2:46am)
That'd be good enough for me. And as you can see, I'm not asking for too much. :
I wasn't asking for much either or was I?
I'm glad you also liked GK 3.
It really is a masterpiece IMO
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| 16 MAR 2003 at 3:33am |
CarlaJourneyman
Posts : 836
Joined: 12 JAN 2003
Status : Online | Originally Posted By Wimli (16 MAR 2003 2:55am)
I wasn't asking for much either or was I?
Well....nope. I believe you were describing many of the GK3's features. But if you have in mind GK saga is probably one of the best ever, you were asking for quite much Anyway, in this topic you have to say what makes a good adventure, and if you think that's what an AG needs to be good, it's perfectly ok.
I'm glad you also liked GK 3.
Oh, you can certainly say I love GK saga... (if you have any doubts, look at my user name, please :)
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| 16 MAR 2003 at 3:51am |
WimliGuild Master
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Joined: 14 MAR 2003
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Malia G (16 MAR 2003 3:33am)
Well....nope. I believe you were describing many of the GK3's features. But if you have in mind GK saga is probably one of the best ever, you were asking for quite much Anyway, in this topic you have to say what makes a good adventure, and if you think that's what an AG needs to be good, it's perfectly ok.
You're right. Maybe I'm a bit demanding . But on the other hand, the GK-series games are luckily not the only ones who live up to my high expectations of a good adventure. Broken Sword and TLJ are two games that immediately spring to mind.
Originally Posted By Malia G (16 MAR 2003 3:33am)
Oh, you can certainly say I love GK saga... (if you have any doubts, look at my user name, please :)
Yeah, Malia Gedde is really cool! And I love your signature too! Who is this East guy?
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| 16 MAR 2003 at 4:12am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
Posts : 1976
Joined: 14 FEB 2003
Status : Online | I've heard that that GK3 did not satisfy those requirements, especially in the realms of good voice acting/dialogue, and logical puzzles (something about a fake moustache made of syrup and cat hair). This is why I never bought it although I loved GK1 and 2. I'll have to play it one of these days and render my own verdict.
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| 16 MAR 2003 at 4:40am |
WimliGuild Master
Posts : 3259
Joined: 14 MAR 2003
Status : Offline | Most of the argument around GK3's voice casting dealt with the recasting of Tim Curry as Gabriel Knight. If you liked him in GK1, you'll probably like him too in GK3. I didn't have a problem with the puzzle you mention. I figured it out in about 15 minutes. And you were given enough tips in the game to give you an idea what you had to do. But looking back on it, I understand why so many found that puzzle illogical and downright unrealistic.
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| 16 MAR 2003 at 4:48am |
| Deleted User | Good topic monkeybone. I was thinking of this earlier today. For me, the most important game elements (starting with the most important) are:
1. Do Not do these
- pixel hunting
- useless wandering to increase game length
- no freaking mazes
- endless dialogue
2. Themes
- SciFi
- Horror
- Fantasy
3. Story
4. Atmosphere
- good use of sound f/x
- realistic in game animation
- vibrant/contrasting colors
5. Characters
- good personality
- immersive dialogue
- emotions
6. Puzzles
- interesting
- logical
- well integrated
7. Graphics
- would prefer 3D with todays technology
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| 16 MAR 2003 at 4:49am |
CarlaJourneyman
Posts : 836
Joined: 12 JAN 2003
Status : Online | Originally Posted By Wimli (16 MAR 2003 3:51am)
But on the other hand, the GK-series games are luckily not the only ones who live up to my high expectations of a good adventure. Broken Sword and TLJ are two games that immediately spring to mind.
Fortunately, there's a lot of great games, and not only the ones you've mentioned. I guess there's no need to name any - the list would be too long-, but you could check, for instance, "Your top 20 list of games" topic
Yeah, Malia Gedde is really cool!
Yeah, you can say that
And I love your signature too! Who is this East guy?
Thanks.
And East is -was, in fact- a (not very well known) sociologist.
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| 16 MAR 2003 at 8:21am |
StammerGuild Master
Posts : 3894
Joined: 5 JAN 2003
Status : Online | in my opinion. . .
[size=12]GOOD STORY
eg the longest journey
puzzles!!! (bound with the story)
and music
Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit.
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| 16 MAR 2003 at 1:50pm |
judyannSorcerer Apprentice
Posts : 319
Joined: 11 OCT 2002
Status : Online | The only thing I would add to Death Ray's list is detective/mystery stories. I totally agree with the "do not" list which can make an otherwise good game a totally exasperating experience.
Since personal tastes vary so much, maybe developers should pay more attention to what gamers don't want than what we do want.
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| 16 MAR 2003 at 11:24pm |
jamarchandSchattenjger
Posts : 1665
Joined: 10 OCT 2002
Status : Offline | I'll avoid all those preveiws arguments of this topic, because, all of them are corretcs.........so, I'll don't fall into obviously again.
I resume beneath , all that an adventure game need to be an ideal one.....
"KEEP (GAMER INTENSE SATISFATION/MOTIVATION) FOR A LONGEST TIME AS POSSIBLE"
 &&&&[move]Actually playing SHIVERS and Rhem 2[/move]&&
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| 17 MAR 2003 at 3:02am |
Monsey_JoeIntergalactic Janitor
Posts : 58
Joined: 2 FEB 2003
Status : Online | One more thing- Background Music. I like having something good to listen while I'm racking my head over the puzzles. It helps sets the mood of the story. IMO music is more important than voices.
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| 17 MAR 2003 at 4:03am |
adventuredogGuild Master
Posts : 3255
Joined: 14 JAN 2003
Status : Offline | Yes Monsey- A LONG loop of good background music can be very helpful when solving a difficult puzzle or perhaps no music at all at that point. Short loops are a pain and most annoying! > The result is shutting off the sound until the puzzle is finished.
As Sennebec stated at the beginning of the thread:
"in a nut shell :
story
logic
ambience
user-friendly interface
no ruthless pixel hunting" [at least not too much]
"i want the total immersion experience... "
The only thing I can add to this is: character(s) that I can care about whether it is a first person or third person experience.
I loved Riven too Sir Dave.
Oh yes, and everything that Wimli said in his first post. YES! .............except perhaps the graphics in GK3 as an example - I am one of the folks who found the navigation and zooming in on fuzzy textures hard on the eyes and detracting from the wonderful atmosphere.......sorry :-[
Oops, I seem to keep finding stuff to add. Monkeybone is asking about the elements we expect and enjoy. One of the elements that I really enjoy is exploring well rendered and interesting scenes with LOTS of things to interact with. I would probably prefer fewer locations with more stuff to do in each place. I also really like well rendered cut-scenes and having the game save these for future replay. Grim Fandango, Syberia and some others did this.
Haunting theme music as in Syberia, GK2
Still adventuring after all these years!
Patiently awaiting The Last Crown: Haunting of Hallowed Isle, and Bracken Tor...
... and Asylum if it's not tooooo scary...
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| 17 MAR 2003 at 5:06am |
StammerGuild Master
Posts : 3894
Joined: 5 JAN 2003
Status : Online | Syberia had a haunting theme
maybe i am not that sensitive but i didn't notice it :-/
Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit.
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| 17 MAR 2003 at 3:02pm |
RonSorcerer Apprentice
Posts : 300
Joined: 26 NOV 2002
Status : Online | A good adventuregame?
-Characters/story etc should be as detailed and alive as in world's best literature.
-Cutscenes should be like Oscar-winning-movies
-Soundtrack should be able to beat Michael Nyman's best compositions
-Puzzles... uhm.. well, you can always use Riven for inspiration.
Too bad that this kind of 'ideal' adventure doesn't exist. No game ever made as much impression to me as most of the mediocre books / movies I've read or seen... strange...
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| 17 MAR 2003 at 11:45pm |
jamarchandSchattenjger
Posts : 1665
Joined: 10 OCT 2002
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Ron (17 MAR 2003 3:02pm)
-Puzzles... uhm.. well, you can always use Riven for inspiration.
Maybe RIVEN with 50 islands instead 5!
The ultimate orgasm!
&&&&[move]Actually playing SHIVERS and Rhem 2[/move]&&
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| 18 MAR 2003 at 4:32am |
StammerGuild Master
Posts : 3894
Joined: 5 JAN 2003
Status : Online | 50 inlands
No no no no , i like Myst (riven) but this is way to much
Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit.
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| 18 MAR 2003 at 11:57am |
jamarchandSchattenjger
Posts : 1665
Joined: 10 OCT 2002
Status : Offline | My dream is explore Riven for a lifetime!
5 islands no. 5 entire continents!
&&&&[move]Actually playing SHIVERS and Rhem 2[/move]&&
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| 18 MAR 2003 at 12:04pm |
RonSorcerer Apprentice
Posts : 300
Joined: 26 NOV 2002
Status : Online | Originally Posted By jamarchand (17 MAR 2003 11:45pm)
Maybe RIVEN with 50 islands instead 5!
The ultimate orgasm!
And ALL puzzles linked together... A lifetime of gameplay...
We sure know what heaven looks like...
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