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| 2 MAY 2011 at 9:00am |
Lucien21Guild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By loobiloo (30 APR 2011 6:22pm)
I watched the wedding yesterday & boo to all you cynicists! This was about two people in love & totally in tune with each other who wanted to get married but had to do it in the eyes of the world. It was spectacular & as far as I know not paid for the most part by taxpayers! The Queen is a very elderly lady, I thought she looked wonderful & the choice of her attire for the occasion should be respected - some people of that age may have turned up in a creased dress, cardie & slippers! [smiley=laughing.gif] Whether you agree with the monarchy or not how many 'republicans' protested that they didn't want a day off work because they didn't agree with it? Also, out of the many street parties there were a few that were strictly 'not a royal wedding one' - well don't be so hypocritical! - you couldn't have had one of those without a royal wedding & the day off!
Actually it is estimated to cost the UK tax payer is £30 million in security costs and about £5 billion in lost productivity due to the extra Bank Holiday.
Considering British people are losing their jobs every day and there are massive government cutbacks to pay off the deficit then it is a bit much to expect us all to pay for something that pointless.
Dear Diary, My teenage angst bullsh*t now has a bodycount.
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| 2 MAY 2011 at 9:32am |
TravellerGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Caroline (2 MAY 2011 1:33am)
Hate to say this but..... girls of Diana's social standing simply DON'T have illegitimate babies.
Do you honestly believe that? Yeah, sure, aristocrats reserve sexual relations strictly for marriage only. The rest of the time they just sip tea and ride their horses.
Not trying to be ugly to you, I'm perhaps just a bit more cynical than most. :-*
Whatever the real truth was (which would of course be covered up as much as possible to avoid scandal) Diana obviously had some self-esteem issues, and to me it seemed as if she was in desperate need of affirmation.
Like you say, Caroline, this could to a large extent be due to her upbringing, and I do have empathy with that.
4. I think Diana was a woman who craved male attention and being naturally flirtatious I think she would have been quite capable of leading a man like Dodi on. Let's not forget her assignations with other men, some who found themselves suddenly infamous as a result.
5. I think had Diana been more closely mothered she might have handled Charles and his mistress better and would still be HRH today. But I think she was an honest young woman who craved a genuine relationship and who wasn't happy to settle for a convenient facade
It is a sad fact of life that when you are a king or queen, you have to sacrifice large parts of your personal life and self-gratification fot the good name of your country, your family, and your children.
If you were heir to the throne of England, would you really be happy with your mother having a new boyfriend every few weeks? Some of them - like you say, drug users, and some of them from different religions than the one you yourself need to appear to belong to? (Charles being the titular head of the church of England)
If commoner mothers can make personal sacrifices for their children, why should royals and aristocrats be any different? I'm not saying she should have sacrificed any chance of happiness completely, but... one could at least strive to keep appearances up to some extent...
Sure, Charles did also have an affair - but with the love of his life, which, sadly, was not Diana. And therein lies the tradegy that just snowballed into greater tragedy, I think.
Anyway, like both you and Loobiloo pointed out, we don't know all the facts, so who are we to judge.
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"They are not reciprocally sublated--the one does not sublate the other externally--but each sublates itself in itself and is in its own self the opposite of itself" (Hegel, from The Doctrine of Being)..."
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| 3 MAY 2011 at 3:32am |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Status : Offline | Anyway, like both you and Loobiloo pointed out, we don't know all the facts, so who are we to judge.
We are the people. And that's what we do: judge.
I see we're all in agreement about Diana's behaviour regarding tact and discretion. However, she fluffed her lines and got chucked out off the main stage. Retirement was impossible: we loved her too much.
As for upper class girls not having babies out of wedlock.... Trav.... they have very discreet clinics for this sort of thing. A woman with pedigree, money and status simply doesn't waste her baby-making abilities on a nobody and Dodi would have been a bad deal all round. Diana's upbringing would have left her in no doubt whatsoever of her value on the marriage mart. She wouldn't have thrown that away, it was all she had left.
Getting back to the recent wedding.... have you read the furore that is brewing because Diana's close friend Lady Annabelle Goldsmith (Jemima Khan's mother) was not invited? Ahhh the claws are out now. [smiley=rofl.gif]
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| 3 MAY 2011 at 8:01am |
TravellerGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Caroline (3 MAY 2011 3:32am)
As for upper class girls not having babies out of wedlock.... Trav.... they have very discreet clinics for this sort of thing.
I suppose that is true, though I would think that possibly somebody with such strong philantropic and humanitarian instincts such as Diana had, might not have deemed this the "right thing to do."
Once again, I'm not inside her head, so I wouldn't know.
Getting back to the recent wedding.... have you read the furore that is brewing because Diana's close friend Lady Annabelle Goldsmith (Jemima Khan's mother) was not invited? Ahhh the claws are out now. [smiley=rofl.gif]
Ah, Jemimah Kahn - I was wondering how things are with her these days. Just checked up her latest activities on the 'net just now, but anyway, I'd better not say anything about her, since that would be deemed political, and I've already had the finger wagged about mentioning a world event in another thread.
* * * Just call me Trav. * * *
“Despite my ghoulish reputation, I really have the heart of a small boy. I keep it in a jar on my desk.” - Robert Bloch
"They are not reciprocally sublated--the one does not sublate the other externally--but each sublates itself in itself and is in its own self the opposite of itself" (Hegel, from The Doctrine of Being)..."
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