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Most of the Companions' quests also force you to kill people, Trav. 

Plus the faction eventually forces you to make a rather bewildering choice about changing your nature. 

However, whether or not you elect to complete the questline, there are no serious consequences / impact on the main story that I could detect. 

So feel free to do whatever feels right and have fun. 

Cheers, Terry   

Oh, i don't mind at all killing people as long as they attacked me and/or as long as they at least fight back. But the House of Horrors quest, Spoiler Alertwhere you are required to beat a defenceless old man in a cage to death, made me sick to my stomach and i decided not to finish the quest, and not to carry on with the beating, in spite of the fact that i could apparently gain a very cool mace by being an asshole.

I have the same problem kind of, I would like to get Shadowmere, but joining the dark brotherhood just doesn't fit my character so I'm stuck with frost.

It doesn't really make sense that they'd make the only decent horse in the game for bad characters and have nothing of equilivant power or similar for good characters.

Hah! That was a cool mace. Guess I must have forgotten how I obtained it or else had put it out of my mind such that I would not have been described as an Spoiler Alert@@$hole. DON'T say anything. Honestly I never really wanted to commit such basic crimes as stealing. At least I was pretty good about that for the most part with FO and FNV. I got over it though. Next having to go and place false evidence to the detriment of others, well that was just TOO much. I don't remember where or when but at some point around that time I just decided I didn't really care. It was just a game and best as well to put aside my own personal morals, i.e. separate myself, and do what I felt my character wanted, simple enough, no regrets - no remorse. Although it is highly unlikely that I would ever train for or even become an actual assassin LOL, at the very least I got in some practice and experience for more important tasks to come. Thankfully the real world of our existence is quite different from the physical constraints and other limitations of the cyber lands of Nirn and so therefore our chosen 'hero' might as well act accordingly. In hindsight I should perhaps have kept an on-going list of all my transgressions, including but not limited to consuming human flesh and drinking blood, although I suppose in truth it is probably for the better that I didn't.

Well, i decided that with Skyrim i'll perhaps do what i did with Morrowind and Ob - leave the "bad person" quests for last.  In Morrowind leaving the Assasin's guild jobs for last is a good idea anyway, because otherwise you end up killing people you need for other quests.

In Skyrim, i've noticed there are people up to no good in almost every town Spoiler Alert(talk to beggars and give them cash or booze, and then make a dialogue choice about "you mentioned money?" , or else they may even be more upfront with you, calling you aside and mentioning their schemes.  

I haven't followed on with any of these yet, because although i always need cash for potions, i'm still managing to break even with cash by selling what i loot and by making potions and selling them.   Once i manage to find good weapons or armor for sale, i might think of doing a shady deal for cash, but until then, i intend on keeping my character as goody-goody as possible.

I'll save the thieve's guild quests for later, and the Dark Brotherhood for last.

Is there anyone here who did the Saadia/Iman quest? I just can't decide wether to believe  her or the other side..

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Originally Posted By Traveller (15 AUG 2012 1:29pm)

Is there anyone here who did the Saadia/Iman quest? I just can't decide wether to believe  her or the other side..

I sided with her and never suffered any consequences, plus was able to loot her would-be Hammerfellian capturers' corpses.

Cheers, Terry

Originally Posted By Traveller (15 AUG 2012 1:29pm)

Is there anyone here who did the Saadia/Iman quest? I just can't decide wether to believe  her or the other side..

Siding with Saadia is probably better if you're a good character Spoiler AlertAlthough that involves some killing.

Then again it's probably more lawful to side with the warriors who are just doing their jobs Spoiler AlertAlthough you'll never know what truly happened to Saadia in the end

And there's always the third very evil option, Spoiler Alertbetray and murder both sides which results in a maximum amount of gold and loot.

Her story seemed acceptable and so by nature I sided with her on that quest.

Originally Posted By markornikov (15 AUG 2012 2:05pm)

Then again it's probably more lawful to side with the warriors who are just doing their jobs Spoiler AlertAlthough you'll never know what truly happened to Saadia in the end

Yes, I imagine that probably would have been a LOT easier.

Well, i really didn' feel like fighting about 10 guys all at the same time and with them someone who seems to be a potential boss, since i've been finding the Companion quests (i've been busy with them now) relatively hard for my level.   Even that very first quest was hard- Spoiler Alerti could beat the falmer boss, but only by luring him into the passage so i could stay away from his steam centurion bodygard..

So what i did for now, is that i didn't commit myself either to betraying Saadia or killing the other guys.  I just slipped out of the conversation and will perhaps return to make mincemeat of them when i'm a bit stronger.  I just really hope their buddies that i've killed already don't respawn in the meantime...

Originally Posted By Traveller (16 AUG 2012 2:38am)

So what i did for now, is that i didn't commit myself either to betraying Saadia or killing the other guys.  I just slipped out of the conversation and will perhaps return to make mincemeat of them when i'm a bit stronger.  I just really hope their buddies that i've killed already don't respawn in the meantime...

sure they will, after three in-game days if those are random characters. 

I've been busy with Skyrim too, and discovered some new things, like running (don't laugh, the key was unassigned before) and the place where dead npc's go in Whiterun and a lot of cool places between Whiterun, Ivarstead and Windhelm

After 200+ hours in-game, there's still no quest or rumour that leads me to Falkreath, and I refuse to explore that town without a good reason. 

I've been in the region for the dark brotherhood, but not in the town itself

I would suggest you go looking around Falkreath for a dog called Barabas.  Spoiler AlertYou can earn a very nice mask/helmet thing by paying attention to this dog.

Although I am not 100% certain, it appears to me that if one eliminates all of the dragon priests in Skyrim it may not be possible to complete part of a quest in DG.

Some quests do seem to influence others. It does seem to be important who you make as friends or enemies, and whom you kill or not.

...but that's all very much in the tradition of TES, and i suppose it does increase the replayability of the games.

I'm STILL not even close to the point of getting to make a decision re the civil war, and re the Companions 

At least i'm the boss of the mages, and have at least 2 houses, (not counting the mage's master quarters) and i'm Thane in at least 2 cities...

Oh, and there's 2 deadric quests i'm stuck with too, (have to do ugly things for those stupid daedra) and one of those quests can go and get lost too.

the companion thingie isn't that interesting. but you can always try it out, it's reversable 

I'm playing the dark brotherhood questlines now and they're more interesting then the ones in Oblivion

Similar to other factions of Skyrim, complete the series of quests and become the designated leader.

If your game is somewhat up to date on patches you should be able to reverse the condition at the end of the companion's quests and still be able to complete a couple of other quests require enabling the beast form.

Personally I considered the Bard's College quests to be the lamest. Oddly enough I still have a couple of items in inventory that I could have sworn I had delivered to their owners months before.    

Yeah, the bards all seem fetch and carry quests, so i stopped doing them out of boredom.

Originally Posted By CB (24 AUG 2012 6:15pm)

Personally I considered the Bard's College quests to be the lamest. Oddly enough I still have a couple of items in inventory that I could have sworn I had delivered to their owners months before.    

Those quests are all buggy. Either you can't give the item to the npc or the item remains indefinitely in your inventory.

The only way to remove them is with console commands.

Maybe they've patched it by now...

But i'm also avoiding their quests as they're indeed boring and more surprisingly not radiant.

I joined the Companions and the bards earlier, because i don't really enjoy thieving work, so kept the thieves for later.  (Yeah, i prefer being a goody two shoes.)

Anyway, now that i've finally joined the thieve's guild (my initial motivation was to get a more steady flow of lockpicks, LOL) it seems to me as if this game is greatly skewed towards the Thieves Guild. 

There are hundreds of quests for you to do if you're a lowlife type, (loose 'bad' jobs as well as Thieve's Guild quests) but nothing if you're a goody two shoes.  In Morrowind, you had two religious orders you could join and do goody-goody work for them, and the quests you could do for the Nine even became pretty interesting with very nice rewards.  Nothing like that in Skyrim, sadly. 

(...or not that i've been able to find yet, anyway.... )

How can i place things like baskets, pots, pans, plates, goblets, etc. nicely without them falling on the floor and just rolling away?  I mean, there must have been a way that the devs placed things nicely on shelves without them bouncing away.  Does one temporarlily  disable physics with a console command, or what?

I feel you there Trav. Riften has been the least enjoyable part of Skyrim so far to me. I hate doing Thieve's Guilds quests, so I'm trying to stay away from them and doing just the main ones. Its horrible to break into people's houses and intimidating them, asking for money, when hours before we were just having a chat of how abominable are the thieves, and how they're ruining the city, etc... I want to get as far from Riften as soon as I can!

I don't know if you ever watch the TV show Leverage, (it's a US show, but you might also be able to watch it) but if the thieves were doing stuff similar to that, or at least had jobs similar to those that you could choose to stick to, (where you do heists and schemes tricking bad guys) it would have been much more fun, but you're right, many of the quests make you feel bad and like a cheat and bully...

I have found that if you simply want to do "good guy" quests, one should simply talk to as many people as you can, and you pick up some nice positive quests that way.  If you do enough 'good' quests, you get to be thane in the cities in those areas and it gives you the opportunity to buy houses in some of the major cities.

Originally Posted By Traveller (26 AUG 2012 9:31am)

How can i place things like baskets, pots, pans, plates, goblets, etc. nicely without them falling on the floor and just rolling away?  I mean, there must have been a way that the devs placed things nicely on shelves without them bouncing away.  Does one temporarlily  disable physics with a console command, or what?

Good question. It can be frustrating when you need to drop something, like for instance a book or something on a pressure plate, and you watch the darn thing bounce halfway across the floor. Crouching helps.

lol once I spent like 2h in my whiterun house, trying to put things nicely on the table, like a plate here, a fork there, salmon inside the plate (more tricky), bread on the side... then I'd leave the house and everytime I came back everything was on the floor, rolling around. I gave up, of course. but there's some tips on the internet, like you can click on a button and try to move the object exactly as you want. but that doesnt help with the gravity issue, though.. :/

With the putting down issue, and it resetting, they say you must put the stuff down, then go out and come back in again immediately.

Gee, Ines, i don't even come close to being able to arrange things nicely on a plate ..i can't even manage to put the plate down on a table to start with!  the only thing i ever manged nicely was a goblet on a shelf, and that must have been luck...