| 18 JUN 2010 at 11:20am |
DonaJourneyman
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Status : Offline | I know someone who beat Morrowind in an afternoon and it took me several months to do the same. Which means, it takes you how long it takes - some people play non-stop for hours, some take it an hour at a time. It's not a race you have to win, just sit back and enjoy the game
That said, the more you play, the better you will get at adventures. You'll have more tricks up your sleeve.
Black Mirror is probably the easiest game I have ever played. Syberia was slightly confusing to me at the time I got it, but if you take your time and carefully read through everything, talk to everyone and just carefully observe, it shouldn't be that hard, at least not in the beginning :'D
EDIT: I should also add that a lot of new games have extra hints option. I always have that off, but it might be helpful to you.
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| 18 JUN 2010 at 12:13pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Donna (18 JUN 2010 11:20am)
I know someone who beat Morrowind in an afternoon and it took me several months to do the same.
I saw a vid of the speedrun that you are possibly or probably referring to. The record, I think, might be the one by Vladimir 'Knu' Semenov on 19.07.05 , who did it in 7 minutes and 30 seconds. That is just beating the main quest, though, and by using loopholes and extreme cheese tactics. There is no way you can beat the entire of Morrowind in an afternoon, I don't care who you are. (Depending on what you class as an afternoon, I suppose) (Especially since you cannot join all 3 Houses in one playthrough, so you'd have to start over again at least once, depending in which version of the game you play). I yet have to do all the Vampire and Wherewolf quests, and I'd played Morrowind non-stop for about a year at the time that I originally started the game.
Heh - I'd like to know the record for Gothic 3, BTW...
In any case, people who do speedruns like that practice to get it done so quickly, but no fun for me in racing through a game like that.
But yes, what you say is true. It comes with practice, in any genre. The more RPG's you play, the better you get, and the same goes for Adventure games.
CheekyM, I'd rather focus on Syberia for a start, since the puzzles in Myst tend to be rather obscure, especially if you're a beginner when it comes to the Myst type of games.
If you really don't know what to do next, you can either peek at a walkthrough, or get hints from UHS. Or you can ask for a hint in our hints section here on JA.
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| 18 JUN 2010 at 12:40pm |
JKingSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By TheTraveler (18 JUN 2010 12:13pm)
I saw a vid of the speedrun that you are possibly or probably referring to. That is just beating the main quest, and by using loopholes and extreme cheese tactics. There is no way you can beat the entire of Morrowind in an afternoon, I don't care who you are. (Especially since you cannot join all 3 Houses in one playthrough, so you'd have to start over again at least once, depending in which version of the game you play). I yet have to do all the Vampire and Wherewolf quests, and I'd played Morrowind non-stop for about a year at the time that I originally started the game.
In any case, people who do speedruns like that practice to get it done so quickly, but no fun for me in racing through a game like that.
Indeed, a speedrun is hardly the same thing, and usually involves very intimate knowledge of a game, be it exploits or just the fastest way to do X---which implies having played through it at a slower pace before.
CheekyM, I'd rather focus on Syberia for a start, since the puzzles in Myst tend to be rather obscure, especially if you're a beginner when it comes to the Myst type of games.
I'd actually take an opposite view. Myst proper's puzzles aren't that obscure, and unlike a game like Syberia with an inventory everything you need to solve a puzzle is there for you; you need only process the information you have. Inventory games, on the other hand, require hunting for items which may or may not be easy to spot.
That said, Syberia is gentle, so is definitely a good gauge for that kind of game---as would be Myst for the kind it spawned.
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| 18 JUN 2010 at 12:59pm |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Status : Offline | Let's cut to the chase here..... download a walkthrough for your game and when you get stuck, consult it. easy peasy.... [smiley=bath.gif]
After a couple of games, you'll get the hang of figuring out different types of puzzles and probably have much more fun with subsequent games.
That is what this activity is about - having fun. It's not an exam. on't sweat it.
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| 18 JUN 2010 at 1:03pm |
| Deleted User | Ooh, good luck for your exam on monday, Caroline! It will be nice to see you around the forums once again!
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| 18 JUN 2010 at 2:28pm |
DonaJourneyman
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By TheTraveler (18 JUN 2010 12:13pm)
Originally Posted By Donna (18 JUN 2010 11:20am)
I know someone who beat Morrowind in an afternoon and it took me several months to do the same.
I saw a vid of the speedrun that you are possibly or probably referring to. The record, I think, might be the one by Vladimir 'Knu' Semenov on 19.07.05 , who did it in 7 minutes and 30 seconds. That is just beating the main quest, though, and by using loopholes and extreme cheese tactics. There is no way you can beat the entire of Morrowind in an afternoon, I don't care who you are. (Depending on what you class as an afternoon, I suppose) (Especially since you cannot join all 3 Houses in one playthrough, so you'd have to start over again at least once, depending in which version of the game you play). I yet have to do all the Vampire and Wherewolf quests, and I'd played Morrowind non-stop for about a year at the time that I originally started the game.
Ahhh no, no, it was my friend from Finland who did it. She's obsessed with RPGs and that certainly wasn't her first time, and I think it was JUST the main quest.
I played MW only once, and it was a 2-year long run T_T I find it really hard to start games with a new character, I get too attached to my first ones. I certainly didn't do half the quests in that game.
Errm, back to topic. Caroline has a point about walkthroughs. Or you can use Universal Hint System if walkthroughs feel too much like cheating.
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| 18 JUN 2010 at 2:48pm |
CrisGerSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | Welcome. Enjoy and relax and do use Walkthroughs if you need a helping hand, the whole point to adventure games is to HAVE FUN...not beat the puzzles in the shortest time etc. Please sort of ...ignore the posts about speed runs....we dont want to scare you off... that the speed contests...., it is a part of gaming that i feel should be relegated to the realm of extreme sports,, ie kept away from normal people I can see the appeal if you know a game really well and want to see it in a differnt way or just want a challenge... but high speed is NOT the purpose of adventure games as they are designed.
just enjoy, there is a lot to see and appreciate in the games you mention, but i myself am lousy at puzzles and dont break my brain to force an advance.... and as a result i have had years of fascinating study and enjoyment of these remarkable games.
If you want an easier and funner game, well, Syberia is pretty easy if you accept the help of one of the excellent walkthroughts.
Myst is also, and there is a whole series of them and they get better and better and there is even an online one you can play with other people called URU.
Two classics that are also beautiful and have a lot of fun dialoge but also some challenging puzzles are The Longest Journey and Dreamfall, a series that has another installment yet to come...they are some of the best adventures yet made. There is also a lot of horror themed ones and detective and sleuthing ones....
Some of the older adventure classics are a lot of fun but to get them to run on modern systems you need an emulator like ScummVM, which is totally free and totally easy to use, just load it up and point it to the install of the game..and that way you can play some of the best olides and they are generally easier than Myst..
some of them are
Monkey Island
Monkey Island II
Loom
The Dig
Maniac Mansion
Indiana Jones and the Mystery of Atlantis
Kyrandia I and II (I would skip III for now)
but they are quite differnt from modern games... well you will see if you look at them
there are also adveture/action games that are more combat and exploration based but they have, some of the, wonderful graphic worlds to explore...
Gothic II and III, Oblvoin, Morrowind are among them. they have puzzle quests, and a lot of fun...older ones are Anachronox, Omikiron, Deus Ex and Deux Ex II.....for some samples..
More modern bigger versions of this theme are some of the more recent mega games such as Mass Effect, Mass Effect II, Dragon Age, The Witcher....if you browse the toipcs here, you will get a flavour of them.
And ask here or other adventure sites, you will get help from many kind and generous helpers we all try to share and help make our adventures more fun.
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| 18 JUN 2010 at 3:54pm |
cheekymonkey877Intergalactic Janitor
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Status : Offline | Thanks for all your recommendations people, It's not that I want to be able to do these things quickly it's just that I've had Syberia since it came out years ago and am no further along with it.
What I'll do is look at a walkthrough and see if it will get me moving on it again.
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| 18 JUN 2010 at 4:11pm |
dithermiserIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Syberia is a good game to play,i think it's possibly the best adventure game ever, or at least the best modern adventure game.
At first it takes a while to get into, but once you get past Valadilčne it gets very interesting.It's one game worth sticking with.
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| 18 JUN 2010 at 4:43pm |
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Status : Offline | Yep, i agree with that, Syberia is a masterpiece and a lot of fun. You can peek at a bit of a walkthrough to get you past a stuck part and then go forward on your own until you get stuck again ..that works well and gives both the feeling of fun and adventure and avoids the feeling of frustration at a cold stop
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| 19 JUN 2010 at 8:31am |
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Status : Offline | I agree with what people have to say about walkthroughs, don't be afraid of using them if you really get stuck (though do be warned, once you have consulted a walkthrough for a game, then it is very tempting to use it again).
Syberia was one of those games that I thought was incredibly well balanced in many ways. The puzzles made sense, and there was not a whole lot of pixel hunting, unlike many other games similar to it. That does not mean that they puzzles were incredibly easy, but there was at least a logic behind it.
And Myst is really one of those games that some people are able to breeze through, while other people won't ever be able to finish. I suspect that it has a lot to do about if you are able to think like the developers did, because once you see the pattern, you will notice similarities between many of the puzzles. Then again, for those who don't share the same strengths & weaknesses as the developers, and who think in a different way, the game might seem impossible.
If you feel like you are jumping in the deep end right from the start, why not give Amerzon a try? It is a good entry level AG in many ways.
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| 19 JUN 2010 at 9:09am |
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Status : Offline | Thank you all very much
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| 19 JUN 2010 at 5:14pm |
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Status : Offline | I second Amerzone as a good entry point, good call Fnord.
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