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| 19 NOV 2009 at 2:26pm | |
HalcyonSchattenjger![]() ![]() Posts : 1652 Joined: 17 NOV 2006 Status : Offline | Originally Posted By TheTraveler (19 NOV 2009 2:01pm) I've done that, but no matter what I do, I draw my sword. lol I'm at work now and best get to it. _________________ |
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| 19 NOV 2009 at 3:02pm | |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By TAS (19 NOV 2009 2:26pm)Originally Posted By TheTraveler (19 NOV 2009 2:01pm) Ok, press TAB, then click on your spells, until you see the "heal" spell. Then hold down the 1 key, and a little circle with slots one to 8 should appear on the right of the screen. While all the while keeping 1 (one) depressed with your finger on your keyboard, click on the "heal" spell. The little heart icon should now appear in slot one. Assuming you have a flame or fireball spell, keep your key for #2 (the number keys above the letters on your keyboard) depressed, and the little circle should appear again, click on the fire spell and the flame icon should appear in slot 2. Rinse and repeat for other spells, or possibly potions out of your inventory. Now, when you return to your normal screen, press numbers keys 1-8, to see them cycle in that little "spell" slot at the bottom of your screen. Careful, if you press the number corresponding to a potion or food or drink, you will automatically consume it. Oh, hang on! Maybe you don't realize that you still have to press C to cast that spell? Pressing the hotkey number will only make it your "current spell, it won't automatically cast the spell, and you need to press C to activate it, not click your LMB. LMB will always activate your weapon. However, if you had assigned a potion to a hotkey (say, #5) then pressing 5 will indeed make you atomatically consume that potion. Chris! Please help. Are there not any "better heads" mods for Oblivion? These people are looking uglier than my people currently look in Morrowind with the excellent better heads mod I'm using there . (Vvardenfell visages) |
| 19 NOV 2009 at 4:05pm | |
CrisGerSchattenjger![]() ![]() Posts : 2539 Joined: 28 APR 2007 Location: US Status : Offline | yes WONDERFUL better heads, give me time to find them working on it this is exciting, lots of good Oblvion posting, good replies all of them Traveller, btw, thanks for helping with all of that, I also have a mod that improves the GUI inventory screen and makes things much easeir to read and use.It is called BTMod by Tikigod and Beider and you get a much better inventory screen and map function and a whole lot more: read here about it: http://btmod.beider.org/ get it here: http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=OblivionMods.Detail&id=25 and i use a colour map which is a nice addition: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=1951 or get both in a User Interfact (UI) Pack here: http://www.filefront.com/14955215/OB-UI.zip/ and a modified HUD for dialog so when you talk to someone their face is not HUGE and overwhelming: more cinematic: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=9792 the place to get mods is : http://www.tesnexus.com/ for heads and bodies: there has been an evolution, we used to have : Ren's Beauty Pack (Mystic Elf race) http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=4431 Natural Faces http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=1965 Beautiful People (combines many face and race improvments, but old) http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=5175 Roberts_Male_Body http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=OblivionMods.Detail&id=3379 and several improved races: Elves of Lineage II Corean Race now we have some wonderful new imiprovments on bodies and faces: now we have Eshme's Body mod http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=5051 and Exnem's EyeCandy Body Replacer 1.0 (which I use) http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=10171 and more here is a good overview of the choices: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tes4Mod:Body_Mods and we have some further advancements on face that really make them wonderful: I reccomend the following: F-INevOblvion_1_0-19021 Improved high res body textures for EC and HGEC Body http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=19021 eyesNharis4originalrace-1897 Saram http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=19387 IFT_Improved Facial Textures http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=OblivionMods.Detail&id=1507 Underlying Facial Textures by Enayla, goes in AFTER IFT http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=9534 Babe Hair http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=11210 and using either 0b_am_EshmesBodiesV3 or Female_EyeCandyBodyReplacer as the base for female and Robert_Male_full_body for male bodies. and this will improve faces of NPCs : Beautiful Women Faces http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=17189 i put these into an easy one stop shopping package for the holidays for you: OBLVION BODY MOD PACKhttp://www.filefront.com/14955155/OB-Body-Mods-Pack.zip/ To instlall mods, remember, BACK UP DATA FOLDER FIRST!!!!!!!!!! then just pop each category of content, ie Mesh texture, into the Data folder and into the correct sub folder, and be sure to put the ESM if there is one into the data folder itself ...and activate it with the Oblvion Launcher in the Data Files section. then either place the folders contents of the mod into the correct folder of the game, ie: Bethesda/Oblivion/Data/Meshes, or Textures or wherever things need to go...or use OMOD, Oblivion Mod Manager by TimeSlip http://timeslip.chorrol.com/obmm_download.html either way, you will need to go into the Oblivon Launcher up screen, select Data Files and check the check box for the files you just installed..just look for their name on the list. Once they are activated that resource will be present in the game and will work for any saves you have, if you delete a resource it will not appear for any saves. PM or post with any questions about this. The faces and bodies of all races are vastly improved. The community has moved lightyears ahead of the vanilla. If you mod up correctly you will get this.... [img]http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3536/trinity2v.jpg[/img] [img]http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/6590/sylar2e.jpg[/img] instead of the potato head people 8-) but remember, SAVE DATA file before changes !!! and ask for any help pls. or visit Elder Scrolls forum there are tons of happy helpers there Admin 3D Worlds and Game Developers http://3dworldandgamedevelopers.blogspot.com |
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| 19 NOV 2009 at 10:06pm | |
HalcyonSchattenjger![]() ![]() Posts : 1652 Joined: 17 NOV 2006 Status : Offline | Traveller, thanks so much for taking the time to explain all this so I can understand, which now I do!! Cris...holy mods, Batman! With all the variable and gameplay in the game, this game must take months. Cool _________________ |
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| 19 NOV 2009 at 11:13pm | |
CrisGerSchattenjger![]() ![]() Posts : 2539 Joined: 28 APR 2007 Location: US Status : Offline | I have been happily playing my install of Oblvion now for 3 years... it really is a remarkable world I thought of some more fun mods that may make things more plesant and better, including several that address some of the things you have posted about Traveller: enjoy the grab bag of goodies...some of these address issues that you have posted about here and other threads.... Expanded Hotkeys and Spell Delete: This mod gives you 28 available hotkeys and an easy spell delete function (shift-delete). A good mod for the avid spellcaster since more than 8 spells are often required and accessing the "spell book" can get quite annoying after a while. Also included is a auto item-equip function which can make life a lot easier at times. Remember to follow the install instructions to the letter. There is no conflict between this mod and BTMod v.2.2 http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=OblivionMods.Detail&id=1621 Menu Escape: This mod allows you to use the mouse and/or spacebar to quickly escape out of menus and conversations and more. http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=10812 No More Magic Leveling up Francesco's leveled creatures items mod multilanguage ("Francesco's mod": Tired that nearly all creatures level up with you? Bored that at level 25 all bandits of the world are god-like ones with daedric equipment? Then this mod is for you. This mod has similar effects as the OOO mod (the OOO mod has a bunch of other game balance changes also), however since it's designed by another individual, the changes are not quite the same. It is advised to check out the list of changes for both mods before deciding upon either one. http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2518 No Borders: To open up the over half the game world you cant travel to normally this fix to the ini will let you over the borders: To enable a borderless Cyrodiil, "mod" the game yourself. Search for the file oblivion.ini, usally in My Documents/My Games/Oblivion/oblivion.ini. Change the line bBorderRegionsEnabled=1 to bBorderRegionsEnabled=0. No Psychic Guards: Makes Guards act normally, they do NOT know ALL you are doing wherever you are ...and a guard wont appear magically in the middle of the wilderness to arrest you: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=11911 Horse Commands: Tell your horse to come, stay, to sing (not) or whatever: Horse Commands 2.3 by kuertee (37 KB): whistle commands to your horse to make it come and follow or stay. http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=8766 Ride a Dragon! Saiden Storm's Akatosh Mounts (15654kb): With this mod, you can choose a dragon mount, based on the Akatosh statue in the Imperial City after the main quest, and take to the sky. Who doesn't like flying on dragons? http://www.pixelrage.org/download/Akatosh-Mount-By-Saiden-Storm--Release-1.9-rerepackaged-2691.html Mountain Tower Special Wizards Lair with lots of cool stuff: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3384 Griffon Fortress Mr Silka Updated and fixed bugs http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=14830 Original http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=24805 Install the original first but delete the ESM and add the new one from the Updated and fixed version, there were sone bugs but this is by and far one of the most spectacular and wonderful and complete castles i have seen for any game or genre of games. THE BEST of QUESTS and if and when you want some NEW adventures: here are three of the best New Quests that have been done: The Lost Spires One of the most detailed and professional Quest mods out yet, it has a very large and deep story based on Archaeology and discovery, this mod won the maker a job with a major game company and remains one of the greatest mod works of art and artisty for Oblivon. http://www.lostspires.com/ The Underdark Saga a Huge mod project that has created an entire underworld Realm, and has some very fine Quest mods made for it already, including one that gives you a remarkable Drow Companion with her own deep back story and unique character. Part I Viconia DeVir - Banished http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=15200 Part II The Vampire Hunter Part III Viconia DeVir - Return to the Underdark http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=15200 The Underdark Realm http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=23153 Ruined-Tail's Tale: This Argonian Battlemage companion mod is unlike most other companion mods out to date. Ruined-Tail is an on the run, former Shadowscale in search of a companion with which to adventure around Cyrodiil making a name for himself. He takes you on an engaging questline with an extremely deep story behind it. The story will change according to how the player responds to Ruined-Tail and his tale. He will also take part however the player chooses to spend his/her time in Cyrodiil. This highly original companion mod adds depth to a beautiful world that the mod author thought was lacking. He can be found in the Arena District of the Imperial City next to the statue. http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3027 I am researching some mods that enhance the environment, improved water, night skies, stars, enhancement of long distance view: [img]http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/7868/amazingview.jpg[/img] Admin 3D Worlds and Game Developers http://3dworldandgamedevelopers.blogspot.com |
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| 20 NOV 2009 at 2:35am | |
HalcyonSchattenjger![]() ![]() Posts : 1652 Joined: 17 NOV 2006 Status : Offline | I've filed away all the mods. I am excited about using them at my leisure over the new few years... I tried the command module as a test to change my hair color. It didn't work. I guess I don't know the proper command line. I tried all variations of hairtint and red, with "" and () and <> and : _________________ |
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| 20 NOV 2009 at 3:31am | |
CrisGerSchattenjger![]() ![]() Posts : 2539 Joined: 28 APR 2007 Location: US Status : Offline | ~ then type "hairtint " without the quotes, or square brackets one useful console command is tfc if you bring down the console with ~ and type tfc you will get a free camera which is nice for getting screenshots, and remember if you hold the R key, your main character will hold in place so you can check your face and see if you have any food stains or leaves in your beard or hair. Another useful console command is "resurrect" i use it because unfortunately when you have a horse and you run into a monster or a minotaur or something nasty, they will inevitably attack your poor horse first, if it is in reach. The poor things will fight back but sometime it is just too much or sometimes you may be throwing a firebolt and hit your horse by mistake. The ~ and then click on the dead horse or whatever you want to resurrect, and then type resurrect and it will come back to life. I do that for wildlife that gets killed by bandidts too, sometimes, and they pop up and run off happily. Admin 3D Worlds and Game Developers http://3dworldandgamedevelopers.blogspot.com |
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| 20 NOV 2009 at 5:04am | |
karlaAdministrator![]() ![]() Posts : 2589 Joined: 27 JUL 2003 Location: US, Close to the Edge Status : Offline | Originally Posted By TheTraveler (19 NOV 2009 1:28pm) Sorry you had so much trouble, Traveller. I do believe your problem is fixed now. Please let me know if it happens again. See my portfolio of original artwork at http://home1.gte.net/res0b8zk/portfolio/resources/portfolio.htm I put my heart and soul into my work, and have lost my mind in the process. - Vincent van Gogh |
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| 20 NOV 2009 at 11:20am | |
HalcyonSchattenjger![]() ![]() Posts : 1652 Joined: 17 NOV 2006 Status : Offline | Originally Posted By CrisGer (20 NOV 2009 3:31am) The only thing I didn't try was brackets!! lol Thanks. Yeah, resurrect is a command that I'm sure I'll enjoy using a lot. Much appreciated. All great stuff! A candy store! Looks like Traveller can use "sell" and all the other four-letter words she's been dying to throw around _________________ |
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| 20 NOV 2009 at 12:03pm | |
| Deleted User | Heh, thanks for all your trouble, Karla, but I'm going to avoid using that word if I can help it... Sorry if I got a bit worked up back there, but it felt that I was hitting my head against a brick wall.. -a brick wall intent on wanting to ban me... > Halcyon - now we demand a screenshot of you pottering around Cyrodiil!! [smiley=music.gif] [smiley=hyper.gif] |
| 20 NOV 2009 at 12:57pm | |
MystiBobSpace Cadet![]() ![]() Posts : 172 Joined: 13 DEC 2008 Status : Offline | Originally Posted By TAS (19 NOV 2009 10:05pm) This game is a way of life... one could play it forever if you had the time and the patience. At least I'd finished the Main Quest, which IMO was more of a puzzle/maze adventure in some parts. Not saying there were not also parts that had quite a bit of story to it, but my memory's gone hazy.  on't have that much time for gaming anymore. So, Traveller, done any selling lately? Sold anything? : |
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| 20 NOV 2009 at 1:06pm | |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By MystiBob (20 NOV 2009 12:57pm) Heh, - you are not going to trick me into using those words again... Yes, I'd spent months on Oblivion, and though I'd done most things including the MQ and the 2 expansions, I still had not become a vampire, and I still did not reach quite the top of the Thieve's guild, and had not done all of the (though some) Daedric quests yet. But as soon as my other games would let me, I plan on overcoming this stain on my gaming record.... Sorry to hear of your lack of time, Mystibob - sounds like you also need the Time Stop spell. |
| 20 NOV 2009 at 2:44pm | |
CrisGerSchattenjger![]() ![]() Posts : 2539 Joined: 28 APR 2007 Location: US Status : Offline | Yes, H, we request a Screenie or 2 of you in your journeys, Traveller, ys, i am trying, that was why i gave him those tips about the screenshtot taking .... and once you do those, there are some really amazing new Lands that have been created plus some super Quests, some of the quite large, the Lost Spires can take a long time and the Underdark Saga is growing as we speak. Plus if you have not seen the Monastary of Ercu yet, or the Griffon Fortress, they are two of the most wonderful player homes yet created....and there is a team doing a complete conversion to the Lord of the Rings, the map alone for that took a year to make by a dedicatged and very gifted designer who has litterally recreated the Entire world of Tolkein, much better in detail than the movies or any game yet done. Admin 3D Worlds and Game Developers http://3dworldandgamedevelopers.blogspot.com |
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| 20 NOV 2009 at 6:08pm | |
HalcyonSchattenjger![]() ![]() Posts : 1652 Joined: 17 NOV 2006 Status : Offline | I'll put up a couple of screenies tonight. Wish I took more care to craft my character's look. Then again, I only rarely have to look at him _________________ |
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| 20 NOV 2009 at 6:31pm | |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By TAS (20 NOV 2009 6:08pm) Don't worry about how bad he might look to you, Halcyon. When I loaded the game up yesterday to refresh my memory as to the mechanics of the game, I actually had a fright when I saw how ugly my blue blue dark elf looked with her huge red eyes... [smiley=zombie.gif] Once I've posted the Dragon Age screenies I promised, I'll post some shots of her, and you can have a good little giggle. |
| 20 NOV 2009 at 7:07pm | |
HalcyonSchattenjger![]() ![]() Posts : 1652 Joined: 17 NOV 2006 Status : Offline | Okay, here's my first stumbling block: Here’s the problem. In Bravil, the option of Recommendation doesn’t come up. Instead, Kud-Ei wants me to help her drag her friend out of Dreamworld. Fine. But while standing over his bed, or after I sleep, she will not give me the amulet to continue the quest. She keeps repeating the same comment each time I click her, and it is of no help. BUT, my quest log says she has given me the amulet. BUT it is not in my inventory, nor will its effect work. I went to an earlier Save to start over, but the same thing happened. Maybe I need the patch (I haven’t installed one yet)? Any ideas? I’m happy to move on, since I still have other recommendations to get, but sooner or later I have to come back, and the only way I can get a Bravil recommendation is to get past this first side-quest so I can ask for the recommendation quest. I have scoured the web and can't find a similar problem, so I'm hoping I overlooked something. _________________ |
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| 20 NOV 2009 at 7:54pm | |
| Deleted User | Hmm. This was actually a rather difficult quest once I got into the dreamworld, as far as I remember. So listen, have you gone to lie down on the indicated bed yet? Have a peep where your quest marker is sitting. EDIT: I felt a bit surprised that this was one of the recommendation jobs, so I looked it up, and turns out that it isn't actually. This is just an optional quest. The Bravil Mage's Guild recommendationid another quest: Kud-Ei wants you to go talk with Varon Vamori concerning the theft of Ardaline's Mage's Staff. In order to get the quest, make sure you talk to Kud-Ei about: Ardaline, Varon Vamori, and Mage's Staff. She'll give you a Beguile scroll (providing a Charm effect) in case Varon is not cooperative, and then you need to follow your quest marker to find him. There. I hope that partly solved your problem regarding the recommendation. In the meantime, that gives us time to investigate the other problem with the dream quest. |
| 20 NOV 2009 at 7:57pm | |
CrisGerSchattenjger![]() ![]() Posts : 2539 Joined: 28 APR 2007 Location: US Status : Offline | it may be the FormID bug where things disappera from inventory after you save. Either way see below.... ok, that can be confusing. Actually that particular quest is NOT part of the Bravil Recomendaion: see here from the wiki about that quest: This quest is NOT part of the Bravil Recommendation: although both this quest and the Bravil Mage's Guild recommendation quest come from Kud-Ei, they are to be considered separate. This can at times be confusing, as it is possible to accept both quests simultaneously. In doing so, Kud-Ei will automatically head to Henantier's house and stand by his bedside, while you are free to do either quest. This is not recommended though, often resulting in errors making finishing one of the quests impossible (Kud-Ei may not acknowledge your finishing of a part of one of the quests after you progressed a phase in the other). Preferably finish the recommendation quest before attempting this one, or finish this one before starting the other. Here is the start of the actual Bravil Recomendation quest: Bravil Mages Guild Speak with Kud-Ei in the Bravil Mages Guild about her recommendation for you. She wants you to go talk with Varon Vamori concerning the theft of Ardaline's Mage's Staff. In order to get the quest, make sure you talk to Kud-Ei about: Ardaline, Varon Vamori, and Mage's Staff. She'll give you a Beguile scroll (providing a Charm effect) in case Varon is not cooperative. if you need more detailed help here is the info on the Recomendation quest in full: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Bravil_Recommendation and the Through a Nightmare Darkly Quest you were trying to start: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Through_A_Nightmare,_Darkly I suspect you may have already accepted the Recomendation Quest and be 'on" that one hence the item not appearing, but not sure. I would recomend you install the official patch it is : Version 1.2.0416 FormID Patch 4/30/07 OBLIVION PATCH v1.2.0416 Oblivion_v1.2.0416English.exe(5.1 MB) 04/30/2007 This patch is for North American (English) versions. http://static.bethsoft.com/Oblivion/Oblivion_v1.2.0416English.exe If you have another version of the game other than the North American English, go here for patches: http://www.elderscrolls.com/downloads/updates_patches.htm You can get details on patches official and unoffiical and some common bugs that have apeared in the past here: OB Patch Info: http://www.filefront.com/14961053/OB-Bug-Fixes.zip/ Admin 3D Worlds and Game Developers http://3dworldandgamedevelopers.blogspot.com |
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| 20 NOV 2009 at 7:58pm | |
HalcyonSchattenjger![]() ![]() Posts : 1652 Joined: 17 NOV 2006 Status : Offline | Cris--right, I know it is not part of the recommendation quest, but according to others, you can get this one first, as I did. She has not mentioned the Recommendation quest, nor was it listed in conversation with her or anyone. Thanks for the stuff. Trav--Yes, I've slept away a day or two on the bed and the pointer points to her. According to walkthroughs (which I have not been following, BTW), she's supposed to give me the amulet in conversation. I'll figure it out. I was just hoping you guys might be able to tell me if this is a bug, glitch, or me. _________________ |
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| 20 NOV 2009 at 8:06pm | |
CrisGerSchattenjger![]() ![]() Posts : 2539 Joined: 28 APR 2007 Location: US Status : Offline | did you scroll down to get all the conversatioin options? maybe it is hiding down there below? mm, i remember that quest being tricky. I will research some more. I would recomend going back in time in a save and doing the recomendation quest first if you can get it.... and then the dream one as some of the posts i found about this indicate that there can be errors if both are active at once. Admin 3D Worlds and Game Developers http://3dworldandgamedevelopers.blogspot.com |
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| 20 NOV 2009 at 8:10pm | |
| Deleted User | OOps.. I see you guys have been busy since i got a bit distracted while doing my edit above... |
| 20 NOV 2009 at 8:16pm | |
| Deleted User | Halcyon, that (dream quest) is really a tricky quest, you know. I would personally recommend that you rather do the recommendation quest first, triggered as follows: Talk to Kud-Ei about: Ardaline, Varon Vamori, and Mage's Staff. Like Cris said, once you have completed that quest, which is certainly the easier of the two, you can then rather come back and trigger the dream one. The best course of action would be to restore a save from before the Dream quest was triggered, and rather trigger the other one with the abovementioned dialogue options. Another thing: with dialogues, make sure you scroll right to the bottom; I've often been caught out thinking i'd exhausted all the dialogue, when some lines would still be lurking down there t the bottom, and needed to be scrolled to. |
| 20 NOV 2009 at 8:45pm | |
HalcyonSchattenjger![]() ![]() Posts : 1652 Joined: 17 NOV 2006 Status : Offline | Originally Posted By CrisGer (20 NOV 2009 8:05pm) Yup, I did go back and save, as I said.  idn't work. No character had a recommendation choice. And I know about scrolling down. I've researched this and it happens sometimes that you're asked to do the side quest before you're asked to do the recommendation quest. I'll see if I can solve it when I get home. I really don't want to wrap you guys up in the details of my gameplay. I'm very grateful for your input, tho. _________________ |
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| 20 NOV 2009 at 9:53pm | |
CrisGerSchattenjger![]() ![]() Posts : 2539 Joined: 28 APR 2007 Location: US Status : Offline | As you can see we enjoy the adventure vicariously too that is interesting and a puzzle. I will see if i can go back to an early save and re do that quest set....i think i still have all my early saves 3 years of em i love a challenge. that is odd you dont get a recomendation showing up. will ponder..... Traveller would you like your Dark Elf to look like this? [img]http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/525/darkelf1.jpg[/img] or this? [img]http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/4822/darkelf2.jpg[/img] http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=27174&navtag=file/images.php?id=27174&tab=3 Admin 3D Worlds and Game Developers http://3dworldandgamedevelopers.blogspot.com |
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| 21 NOV 2009 at 2:29am | |
HalcyonSchattenjger![]() ![]() Posts : 1652 Joined: 17 NOV 2006 Status : Offline | Here's my character at attention: [img]http://www.timwrites.com/Oblivion%20-%20Nock.jpg[/img] _________________ |
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