| 29 JUL 2010 at 4:19pm |
KarstenSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Offline | I think the lyrics that play during the opening is an elven lullaby. There's a quest involved here..so I won't say too much...
As a Dane, I like the idea of Danish Elves, however, I think they're Dalish (dælish) elves. On the other hand, one can never why the writers did call these elves living in the forest Dalish Elves. Seems a bit to close to Danish Elves to me....
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I gave up on defeating the Witch of the Wilds, so next will probably be the urn of the sacred ashes, I think. Does anyone know if there's a time limit on this quest?
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| 29 JUL 2010 at 5:00pm |
TravellerGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Karsten (29 JUL 2010 4:18pm)
I think the lyrics that play during the opening is an elven lullaby. There's a quest involved here..so I won't say too much...
As a Dane, I like the idea of Danish Elves, however, I think they're Dalish (dælish) elves. On the other hand, one can never why the writers did call these elves living in the forest Dalish Elves. Seems a bit to close to Danish Elves to me....
Edit:
I gave up on defeating the Witch of the Wilds, so next will probably be the urn of the sacred ashes, I think. Does anyone know if there's a time limit on this quest?
I read a bit of history about that, but sadly I've forgotten the detail again. However, I do remember that the word "alish", is derived from dale, as in valley (- as in hills and dales). I'll see if I can find that bit of Dalish Elf history for you.
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| 29 JUL 2010 at 5:55pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Karsten (29 JUL 2010 4:18pm)
As a Dane, I like the idea of Danish Elves, however, I think they're Dalish (dælish) elves. On the other hand, one can never why the writers did call these elves living in the forest Dalish Elves. Seems a bit to close to Danish Elves to me....
My apologies, I meant to correctly identify the Elves as Dalish as they are so named in the game. Why I chose Danish was either a typo or something else based on my own misconception. Either way, I did not mean to lead anyone down the wrong path. :-[
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| 29 JUL 2010 at 9:40pm |
KarstenSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Offline | No worries, CB I just found it a bit amusing as a Dane myself That's all
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| 29 JUL 2010 at 10:57pm |
JKingSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By placeholder (29 JUL 2010 4:59pm)
I read a bit of history about that, but sadly I've forgotten the detail again. However, I do remember that the word "alish", is derived from dale, as in valley (- as in hills and dales). I'll see if I can find that bit of Dalish Elf history for you.
Indeed! There's a Dragon Age Wiki article on the Dales which provides a fair amount of background.
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| 31 JUL 2010 at 11:16pm |
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Status : Offline | Dragon Age has elves made of sweet pastry? ;P
As to the bridge puzzle, I honestly don't seem to remember whether I used a hint or walkthrough on my first attempt... ^^;
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Sorry.
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| 1 AUG 2010 at 4:52am |
| Deleted User | Having thoroughly enjoyed another eighteen hours or so with the game since I've returned to it, (eighty-two hours total now) things have suddenly ground to a halt. Sorry if I seem a little peeved here. >
I don't mind replaying boss battles (heck I've done this numerous times in the past to get the feel of the local environment to best strategize the situation, and equally important the best outcome I could achieve i.e. fewest injuries and minimizing the consumption of health poultices) but the fight against Zathrian is another story. Having to go through aproximately five minutes of dialogue to repeat the sequence is downright ridiculous and unfair. Although I do have a better plan next time around I'm still tempted to just crush the disc and forget the whole thing.
On second thought though, tomorrow will be another day.
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| 1 AUG 2010 at 7:06am |
TravellerGuild Master
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Status : Offline | I can't remember Zathrian being a problem at all, but then I did get the wherewolves on my side, and I think that that rather helped. I've seen somewhere that if you have Alistair, you just use that templar ability of his; the "Cleanse area of magic" ability, and Zathrian becomes rather helpless.
Have you tried freezing and paralysing him to buy time while you kill off his buddies? - then have your fighters concentrate on him? Do you have enough Lyrium potions with you?
Oh, and did you know you could skip dialogue? I forget how, will check for you. Hm, yes, as I thought, it's using the ESC key. Some dialogue it will only skip line by line, and it won't skip your responses, but it should skip cutscenes in chunks.
Good luck!
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| 1 AUG 2010 at 10:59am |
KarstenSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Offline | I didn't find Zathrian that hard to defeat. You do know that's there's three possible outcomes of this quest. Spoiler AlertYou can side with the werewolves, the elves or have Zathrian lift his curse.
As for Alistair, you'll have to remember to give him 'cleanse area' when he levels up. If you decide to fight Zathrian, the werewolves will be stunned; that's why having Alistair cast Cleanse Area is a good idea. Morrigan's Cone of Cold is helpfull, too.
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| 1 AUG 2010 at 12:30pm |
TravellerGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Spoiler AlertI found siding with the wherewolves to be the best from an.. , erm point of view if you want to be a goody-goody and have the best outcome for the most people; because then they (the wherewolves) get saved, and so does everyone except for Zathrian and one other being.
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"They are not reciprocally sublated--the one does not sublate the other externally--but each sublates itself in itself and is in its own self the opposite of itself" (Hegel, from The Doctrine of Being)..."
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| 1 AUG 2010 at 2:13pm |
ThaumaturgeJourneyman
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Status : Offline | Spoiler AlertIf you have access to Mana Clash (I think that it was), then I highly recommend its use on Zathrian. Otherwise, I second the advice given by Trav and Karsten (again, if you have it, then try taking him out of the fight for a bit via Force Field).
Zathrian's allies can potentially be a pain, but with the proper tactics should hopefully not be a major issue (if I recall correctly, Cone of Cold and Flame Blast should be of use).
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Sorry.
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| 1 AUG 2010 at 7:29pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By placeholder (1 AUG 2010 7:06am)
Oh, and did you know you could skip dialogue? I forget how, will check for you. Hm, yes, as I thought, it's using the ESC key. Some dialogue it will only skip line by line, and it won't skip your responses, but it should skip cutscenes in chunks.
Good luck!
That's good to know. Very good. Funny, I thought I had tried using most every key to skip through dialogues. :-X Guess not. It never dawned on me that 'escape' wouldn't bring me back to the game menu as it does in most every other situation.
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Originally Posted By Karsten (1 AUG 2010 10:58am)
I didn't find Zathrian that hard to defeat. You do know that's there's three possible outcomes of this quest. Spoiler AlertYou can side with the werewolves, the elves or have Zathrian lift his curse.
As for Alistair, you'll have to remember to give him 'cleanse area' when he levels up. If you decide to fight Zathrian, the werewolves will be stunned; that's why having Alistair cast Cleanse Area is a good idea. Morrigan's Cone of Cold is helpfull, too.
At the time the third option seemed like the most righteous choice as I parried with the lady. You’re right, the werewolves appear willing to lend their assistance but then freeze. That ‘Cleanse area of magic’ ability for Alistair sounds as though it would have been useful. In hindsight I should have realized it to be a must-have. Next time….if I ever get the opportunity to rack up another 3700 EP to attain level fourteen. LOL
Originally Posted By placeholder (1 AUG 2010 12:30pm)
Spoiler AlertI found siding with the wherewolves to be the best from an.. , erm point of view if you want to be a goody-goody and have the best outcome for the most people; because then they (the wherewolves) get saved, and so does everyone except for Zathrian and one other being.
OK, but by choosing to lift the curse I seem to have achieved the same outcome along with a huge bonus for Leliana.
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At least the crisis is over… for now… until the next time….
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| 1 AUG 2010 at 7:45pm |
TravellerGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Spoiler AlertHmm, i think i somehow managed to force him to lift the curse and to side with the wherewolves - I don't remember exactly how, but there was a lot of quite complicated dialogue that you could dance around with, IIRC.. well, isn't lifting the curse siding with the wherewolves anyway? Hmmm..... :-?
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"They are not reciprocally sublated--the one does not sublate the other externally--but each sublates itself in itself and is in its own self the opposite of itself" (Hegel, from The Doctrine of Being)..."
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| 2 AUG 2010 at 4:28am |
| Deleted User | In regard to siding with the werewolves I was thinking about going back to an earlier save to try this out tonight, just for the sake of curiosity. Thinking yes but instead I decided to go online and I found that I could have Spoiler Alertconvinced the Lady using a dialogue that continues with: "I have a new plan. Kill Zathrian. Kill the Elves." If she agrees, you can annihilate the village together, and the werewolves will join your army for the final battle.
Hmm..whatever, I guess for the time being I'll stick with returning with what I've done. :-/
On the lighter side here, back at camp I was quite surprised that it was Morrigan that made her moves on me first. Of course I should known that Leliana was keeping her own vigil on my behalf. Once again, hard choices are yet to be made.
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| 2 AUG 2010 at 8:05am |
TravellerGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Spoiler AlertHmmm I didn't kill the elves either, so i guess i took the path you took, CB.
I suppose we should mark this thread as having spoilers now, as the end of this quest had been quite a surprise for me, and one wouldn't want to spoil others, i suppose.
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"They are not reciprocally sublated--the one does not sublate the other externally--but each sublates itself in itself and is in its own self the opposite of itself" (Hegel, from The Doctrine of Being)..."
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| 18 AUG 2010 at 4:42pm |
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| 19 AUG 2010 at 3:23pm |
KarstenSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Offline | There's previews for Dragon Age 2 at IGN, 1UP and Games Radar.
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| 11 SEP 2010 at 7:26pm |
| Deleted User | Geez, this is getting a bit complicated. Back in Orzammar early on I was given the distinguished honor of choosing between the two viable candidates to fill the vacant throne and quell the conflict. I suppose I could have just tossed a coin in this case. Still, it was quite amusing listening to the town criers in the diamond district who would bellow out the latest press releases. Other than perhaps changing the order of events, the choice seems inconsequential.
Spoiler AlertFast forward to the end of the Landsmeet inside the Landsmeet Chamber and on a much more serious note (I presume) is the choosing of who takes the seat on the throne of Fereldon. There seems to be a likely candidate, yet that person doesn’t seem all that keen on accepting the post. On the other hand there is the candidate who seems most able and willing yet hardly seems trustworthy, at least as far as I can see. As for a romantic interest between the two? I suppose that might be a possible happy compromise but is seems clear that one candidate is strongly opposed to such an option. Oh what to do. [img]http://justadventure.com/yabb/Smilies/hair_pull.gif[/img] [img]http://justadventure.com/yabb/Smilies/shrug.gif[/img]
Unfortunately this is a very long drawn out arduous sequence with rather extensive amounts of dialogue choices and doesn’t provide the player with a pit stop to think this through. I presume that was totally intentional.
Hmm. Well, I guess I needed a break anyway. [img]http://justadventure.com/yabb/Smilies/crazy.gif[/img]
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| 11 SEP 2010 at 7:43pm |
TravellerGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Camaroboy1968 (11 SEP 2010 7:26pm)
Geez, this is getting a bit complicated. Back in Orzammar early on I was given the distinguished honor of choosing between the two viable candidates to fill the vacant throne and quell the conflict. I suppose I could have just tossed a coin in this case. Still, it was quite amusing listening to the town criers in the diamond district who would bellow out the latest press releases. Other than perhaps changing the order of events, the choice seems inconsequential.
Spoiler AlertFast forward to the end of the Landsmeet inside the Landsmeet Chamber and on a much more serious note (I presume) is the choosing of who takes the seat on the throne of Fereldon. There seems to be a likely candidate, yet that person doesn’t seem all that keen on accepting the post. On the other hand there is the candidate who seems most able and willing yet hardly seems trustworthy, at least as far as I can see. As for a romantic interest between the two? I suppose that might be a possible happy compromise but is seems clear that one candidate is strongly opposed to such an option. Oh what to do. [img]http://justadventure.com/yabb/Smilies/hair_pull.gif[/img] [img]http://justadventure.com/yabb/Smilies/shrug.gif[/img]
Unfortunately this is a very long drawn out arduous sequence with rather extensive amounts of dialogue choices and doesn’t provide the player with a pit stop to think this through. I presume that was totally intentional.
Hmm. Well, I guess I needed a break anyway. [img]http://justadventure.com/yabb/Smilies/crazy.gif[/img]
Spoiler AlertIf you yourself are not romantically involved with either of the candidates, a happy union between the two of them is indeed a good choice, and the one person doesn't need all that much convincing.
I was personally romantically involved with one of them, so this was really a problem decision for me over which I also was tearing out handfuls of hair.
(Heh - and I would have preferred to have pulled them out of my rival's head, I must say...- since I was judged not worthy as a consort to the throne, because I was a mere elf and not of noble blood besides...
Oh, and if you'd done the dwarf noble origin, the choice in Orzammar takes on a completely new meaning. You should play that origin just for moz... It will be even more interesting now that you've played Orzammar.)
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"They are not reciprocally sublated--the one does not sublate the other externally--but each sublates itself in itself and is in its own self the opposite of itself" (Hegel, from The Doctrine of Being)..."
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| 11 SEP 2010 at 8:21pm |
| Deleted User | Thanks Trav. I'll give this whole thing one more shot. I'm not romantically involved LOL and I know I have at least one more can of whoop ass on the shelf for that traitor. Yeah, one on one you, let's do this again.
I suppose that I should do myself some justice and play through all the origins once this whole saga comes to an end. At that point I suspect that I will start suffering from some type of withdrawal syndrome and in all likelihood will need to seek out counseling. :
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| 11 SEP 2010 at 11:50pm |
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Status : Offline | I wish there was a "Neaten up and Clean House" option for some of the supporting characters so they would go around after us and clean up the rooms the nasties have trashed, it is so sad to leave things in such a mess.
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| 12 SEP 2010 at 5:27pm |
| Deleted User | How true. At least have a crew on hand to wash up the gore and entrails those nasties sometimes leave behind.
I suppose you could comb through the Nexus mod board. Who knows what you might find there. [img]http://justadventure.com/yabb/Smilies/grin.gif[/img]
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| 13 SEP 2010 at 5:41am |
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Status : Offline | Well your dog can help you at least with that problem (talk to him after a fight and he'll "lick" you clean).
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| 13 SEP 2010 at 9:14am |
TravellerGuild Master
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Status : Offline | ...or.. you could simply do what I do, and set gore off in your options. :
Never had any blood on me, except when I decided to try it out with gore on, and concluded that I prefer without. [smiley=bath.gif] [smiley=cheesy.gif]
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"They are not reciprocally sublated--the one does not sublate the other externally--but each sublates itself in itself and is in its own self the opposite of itself" (Hegel, from The Doctrine of Being)..."
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