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| 5 MAR 2003 at 3:59pm |
| Deleted User | A "swear" word I wrote was re-written as "black person"... not good... words with Valadim et al will be had! >
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| 5 MAR 2003 at 4:04pm |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | Well. . . the world is changing. . . i feel it in the water . . . i feel it in the air . . . i feel it in each and every adventure game...
This is 'evolution'! hope this explains much
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| 5 MAR 2003 at 4:14pm |
InlandAZGuild Master
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Status : Offline | There are no real classics anymore, just remakes and graphic adventures (uh, Syberia?) parading as games!
Really?
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| 5 MAR 2003 at 4:20pm |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By InlandAZ (5 MAR 2003 4:13pm)
Really?
There are some classics. . . like the longest journey!!
I really liked this game! And it has (will have) a sequel. Hurray!
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| 5 MAR 2003 at 4:21pm |
dimidimidimiSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I guess this goes down to personal tastes... In my personal top 5 of adventures 3 out of the 5 were made the last 3,4 years (TLJ, Syberia and GK3) ...
Not to mention all those great games coming up ( Syberia 2, TLJ2, CSI - hope it's going to be good -, Journey to the Center of the Earth, Black Mirror, Runaway) all those great fan made adventures (Indiana Jones FOY, Quest for Glory 2 remake) and 3 commercial adventures that most of you have no idea about and I'd love to tell you but I'm not allowed to. :-X I can say though that we're probablt talking about (at least 2) new entries in the top 10 adventures ever.
What kind of game are you talking about anyway, what kind of adventure would you like to be made?
All I personally want is evolution in terms of new stories and new style of puzzles ( no maths, sliders etc) a little bit more suspence and intrigue in games (but not in form of action elements, but in action sequences instead maybe).
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| 5 MAR 2003 at 4:24pm |
GayleSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Syberia would be considered a classic too. TLJ Yes, Syberia No.
And there you have it. What is considered a classic? One you played and fell in love with and have fond memories of? One that you had driven into your brain that it is a classic, whether you actually thought it to be one?
It is and always has been an individual preference as to what one thinks is a classic game or not a classic game.
You could debate til blue in the face over this subject.
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| 5 MAR 2003 at 4:30pm |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | Yeah i agree with all of you!! We need something 'new'. Something to shake us a little! Those you mentioned Dimtri are very good but (irrelevant) what's your opinion about King's quest 2??? And i don't mean if it is like the original one!
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| 5 MAR 2003 at 4:47pm |
dimidimidimiSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I don't understand your question really...but I think it is excellent anyway.
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| 5 MAR 2003 at 4:53pm |
dimidimidimiSchattenjger
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Status : Online | And I really don't understand why all this negativity when it comes to adventures? So what games did SHAKE THE WORLD in the other genres? I don't play action games that much but let's see now...
In RPGs the last great RPG game was Baldur's gate and this was some years ago...I wouldn't call either Neverwinter Nights nor Morrowind classics. Their stories and characters were uninspired and dull and they were way too much hack n slash.
I haven't seen a good space simulator since Wing Commander 4 ... In the sports genre Fifa 2003 is a good game but it definitely is not a great soccer game and as far as NBA live 2003 all I can say is ..... yuuuckkk...the worst and most unrealistic I can remember from the whole series....
But somehow people are waiting for the second coming when it comes to adventure games...don't get it really
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| 5 MAR 2003 at 4:59pm |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By dimidimidimi (5 MAR 2003 4:53pm)
And I really don't understand why all this negativity when it comes to adventures? So what games did SHAKE THE WORLD in the other genres? I don't play action games that much but let's see now...
In RPGs the last great RPG game was Baldur's gate and this was some years ago...I wouldn't call either Neverwinter Nights nor Morrowind classics. Their stories and characters were uninspired and dull and they were way too much hack n slash.
I haven't seen a good space simulator since Wing Commander 4 ... In the sports genre Fifa 2003 is a good game but it definitely is not a great soccer game and as far as NBA live 2003 all I can say is ..... yuuuckkk...the worst and most unrealistic I can remember from the whole series....
But somehow people are waiting for the second coming when it comes to adventure games...don't get it really
I am afraid you are right Dimitri
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| 5 MAR 2003 at 5:16pm |
ValGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By monkeybone (5 MAR 2003 3:59pm)
A "swear" word I wrote was re-written as "black person"... not good... words with Valadim et al will be had! >
I didn't do it!! The forum software does it automatically. :
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| 5 MAR 2003 at 5:34pm |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | y Originally Posted By Valadmin (5 MAR 2003 5:16pm)
I didn't do it!! The forum software does it automatically. :
Ah this is crap!
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| 5 MAR 2003 at 6:03pm |
mszvPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Other people may be "making do", but I am not. I love the new adventure games. They don't seem mediocre to me, I think they are great. I'm having a great time in adventure game land.
Perhaps it would be helpful to say what you don't like about the new games, being a little more specific.
Hey, wasn't this topic covered before, in a bunch of other threads. I seem to remember a whole bunch of posts on how the old games were better. Geez, I'm not going there, but then I don't post in "The Hot Spot" much anyway.
Regards, mszv
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| 5 MAR 2003 at 9:30pm |
| Deleted User | I think the problem monkeybone is having with the current state of adventure games, and which is the same problem I am having, is not being able to get that same feeling we got when playing those first couple of adventure games that got us hooked. Those were sweet times that can not be relived I am sorry to say. A few games might come close but again, only a very few. I think this is natural and find myself trying other genres more often to try and regain that feeling with something new. I am still a sucker for SciFi, fantasy and horror adv themes though, and [glb]usually[/glb]like them no matter how bad they are. An exception would be Syberia. I agree with monkeybone that this game was mediocre at best. To me, it was just a game with loads of eye-candy and not much else. Well thats it and hey monkeybone, I hope I was not putting words in your mouth about how you feel. If so, I am sorry.
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| 5 MAR 2003 at 9:56pm |
dombrewerGuild Master
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Status : Offline | I see where Death-Ray's coming from here -
Isn't this about nostalgia primarily? For me the C64 was the ultimate games machine, but wasn't that because I was 8 years old and it holds a special place for me?
Same PC adventure wise - my first game was Myst and still rates as a special game for me, no matter how many games I play that would probably surpass it now in every aspect.
I can recall reading posts on the forum from gamers who got into games from the recent hits (or modern classics if you like) namely Syberia and TLJ. For an adventure gamer of a decade or more I'm thinking these games might not hold the same sense of wonder and excitement as they would to a total newcomer (and they in turn wouldn't be much impressed with the golden oldies that seem antiquated in comparison.)
As always - one man's meat is another man's poison...
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| 5 MAR 2003 at 10:01pm |
| Deleted User | DeathRay - it's like you reached into my brain and pulled out my thoughts! Well, nearly... I don't think Syberia's too bad, 'casue I'm a self confessed graphics junkie, but it's limitations as a game are all too obvious.
It's true - nothing that has come out lately that has the same attention do detail and gameplay as the old Lucasarts and Sierra titles, except maybe TLJ and that was three years ago - along time in gaming terms. Even the old text adventures have more spark.
FPS' tend to get away with bad plots and poor writing, purely because they're about spectacle. A bad adventure, or rather in this case a poor one, can't get away with it. Syberia was good, but very basic and I'd like some more meat on the adventure bones. (I keep using that phrase, don't I?)
Take note - I'm currently having fun with Silent Hill 2. It has a great plot and top (if over-serious) voice acting. And amazing atmosphere and graphics that make Post Mortem look like a 640X480 nightmare.
But it's gameplay is poor, with bad fighting and basic puzzles. Take away the action and up the puzzle element and it could've been a real contender.
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| 5 MAR 2003 at 11:08pm |
mszvPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | I agree on the nostalgia thing. Maybe it's not that the games were better, it's just that you were newer to the genre. I know, I know, others will disagree, but that's what I think. The first is often the best in our minds, because it's the first.
How about this - don't play any adventure games (or even any eletronic games) for oh, a couple of weeks, a couple of months, you pick. Then come back to the genre, and see how you feel.
Regards, mszv
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| 6 MAR 2003 at 2:24am |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | I also identify with Monkeybone's premise. I guess it has to do with one's taste in AGs which is a subject we've argued about ad nauseum. But for me the golden era of adventure games was from about 1991 (ie. starting with around Monkey Island) to about 1999. First the LucasArts games hit a peak of quality and then came the Myst/Riven era and all the so-called Myst clones (most of which I like) plus a bunch of other games from Cryo, Arxel Tribe etc. This is exactly why I've also been ravenously collecting these games- I don't think we're going to ever see a period like this again.
That's not to say there's not some good AGs to look forward to; it's just that we won't see the overall quality/numbers of AGs as there was during that period. But hey, that seems to have happened in other entertainment eras- personally, I don't think there'll be a period of pop music as there was from 1965 to 1980!
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| 6 MAR 2003 at 6:59am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I'm not sure I could count 1999 in the "golden era" of adventure games. The only thing remotely resembling a top notch adventure that year was Outcast, and that was more of an action/adventure in the Redguard vein, and had its own problems, to boot.
Grim Fandango signaled the end of the golden age for me. After that we only got 2 great adventures over the next 3-4 years.
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| 6 MAR 2003 at 12:09pm |
| Deleted User | Boo-ya, EXACTLY! My plaudits to you!
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| 6 MAR 2003 at 2:44pm |
NellieSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | I think there are a few factors:
There aren't as many games being made now as there were during the 'golden age' of adventures, so naturally there are fewer classics.
Some of the games we're talking about are being made by companies without a long experience of making adventure games. Lucasarts made Maniac Mansion, Zak McKraken, and Indy and the Last Crusade (which are fondly remembered, but not widely considered as being among the best of the genre) before they started making the games people consider all-time classics (Monkey Island, DOTT, etc). Sierra made loads of games before they started making classic-quality stuff (remember the original KQ2? ). Maybe companies just need a bit of experience before they start pulling the all-time greats out of the hat.
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| 6 MAR 2003 at 4:42pm |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (6 MAR 2003 6:59am)
I'm not sure I could count 1999 in the "golden era" of adventure games. The only thing remotely resembling a top notch adventure that year was Outcast, and that was more of an action/adventure in the Redguard vein, and had its own problems, to boot.
Well, you've got a point- that's why I said about 1999. It's a little hard to figure the end or beginning of the end because there were a few indications of life left in 1999-2000 eg. Amerzone, The Crystal Key, Atlantis II, Gabriel Knight 3 (I know, I know- not everyone likes it), Riddle of the Sphinx etc.
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| 6 MAR 2003 at 7:13pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | "Amerzone, The Crystal Key, Atlantis II, Gabriel Knight 3 (I know, I know- not everyone likes it), Riddle of the Sphinx etc."
Sadly I have not played any of these games. As I said in another thread, I only buy 5-6 games a year, so a game has to get primo reviews for me to pick it up.
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| 6 MAR 2003 at 7:19pm |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (6 MAR 2003 7:13pm)
"Amerzone, The Crystal Key, Atlantis II, Gabriel Knight 3 (I know, I know- not everyone likes it), Riddle of the Sphinx etc."
Sadly I have not played any of these games. As I said in another thread, I only buy 5-6 games a year, so a game has to get primo reviews for me to pick it up.
I think I can say safely that Amerzone and Riddle of the Sphinx have gotten primo reviews; if you haven't played them, I highly recommend them. The jury seems to be out on Atlantis II, Gabriel Knight 3 and The Crystal Key (I think the latter 2 are pretty good- but that's just me!).
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