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| 17 AUG 2009 at 11:28pm |
LahrsIntergalactic Janitor
Posts : 4
Joined: 17 AUG 2009
Status : Online | I use Firefox 99% and IE8 in that 1% instance where Firefox does not load the site properly.
I have been using Chrome, not as an everyday browser, but testing it here and there. I like some of the concepts, but there are still enough bugs to keep me away, though Crome may end up being my browser of choice in the future.
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| 18 AUG 2009 at 1:49am |
InlandAZGuild Master
Posts : 5586
Joined: 4 MAY 2007
Status : Offline | IE is my standard browser, I do run all of the above however.
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| 18 AUG 2009 at 3:05am |
| Deleted User | I use FireFox on my XP machine. In this case for some reason, IE would run very sluggishly or in some instances not even come up at all. I use IE 7 on my Vista computers since essentially that's the way they came from the factory and so far I haven't seen any special reason to go back to FF as default. Then again about a month ago I received an update notice for IE 8 which I diligently installed only to discover a massive crash that forced me to use a system restore to get things back to normal again with IE 7. No idea what the deal was there. I’m not very familiar with the other browser choices so I can’t personally attest to their pros and cons. Google Chrome though does seem intriguing. I'm inclined to investigate a little further, perhaps give it a shot. :-/
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| 18 AUG 2009 at 3:08am |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
Posts : 16540
Joined: 28 JAN 2007
Location: AU
Status : Offline | I use IE except for those links that automatically engage Firefox. I don't know why that happens but I just go along with it. I prefer the interface with IE because it's familiar. Let's face it - I'm no techno-geek so if it ain't broke it's best I don't try to fix it.
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| 18 AUG 2009 at 11:31am |
colpetSchattenjger
Posts : 1630
Joined: 12 APR 2003
Status : Offline | I didn't know that you had a choice. I've always used internet explorer. Are there any benefits to the other ones?
Occasionally visiting Uru Live (KI 0063722 .&&
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| 18 AUG 2009 at 2:16pm |
JKingSchattenjger
Posts : 2349
Joined: 4 MAY 2008
Location: 0
Status : Offline | As some will well know, I am a rabid Opera user, and have been since 2003. I've tried other options, of course, but I've always disliked Mozilla's technologies (they just don't feel right on Windows), Safari's chrome annoys the crap out of me (and the text rendering besides, but I'm told both these things are addressed in Safari 4), and Chrome is far, far too slow going back and forward. Opera users will know what I mean here. To be fair, though, IE is even slower.
There are dozens of other reasons why I prefer Opera, of course, but I don't want to bore everyone.
You can't kill someone in a studio.
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| 18 AUG 2009 at 4:02pm |
ThaumaturgeJourneyman
Posts : 999
Joined: 11 MAY 2006
Status : Offline | I use Firefox, although I've heard good things about Chrome and Opera, I think, but have yet to try either.
Originally posted by colpetAre there any benefits to the other ones?
I suspect that a lot comes down to personal preference, but there may well be speed or security advantages - I'm not sure, however, I'm afraid. I do rather like Firefox's modular system, which allows me to install various components that I like (such as StumbleUpon, which takes me to a random website based on my preferences - and which can sometimes be a good way to find new and interesting sites, or just while away a little time).
Originally posted by JK[ch305]ng
... Mozilla's technologies (they just don't feel right on Windows)
This intrigues me - if I may ask, would you please expand on that? I've not noticed anything off about them myself, so I'm curious about what you find unpleasant.
MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
*ahem*
Sorry.
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| 18 AUG 2009 at 4:23pm |
JelenaPrivate Detective
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Joined: 30 SEP 2007
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Thaumaturge (18 AUG 2009 4:01pm)
Originally posted by JK[ch305]ng
... Mozilla's technologies (they just don't feel right on Windows)
This intrigues me - if I may ask, would you please expand on that? I've not noticed anything off about them myself, so I'm curious about what you find unpleasant.
Agrees. I don't see anything that doesn't work on my Win XP machine since I switched to Firefox. If fact I think everything works smoother than what it did with IE6.
Temporary guest in your life.
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| 18 AUG 2009 at 4:48pm |
JKingSchattenjger
Posts : 2349
Joined: 4 MAY 2008
Location: 0
Status : Offline | My dislike for all things Mozilla is difficult to qualify or quantify, and I fully admit that some or all of it may now be irrational. However, even going back to the Netscape 4 days Navigator's UI didn't look native and it felt clunky. Back in the early Mozilla days before Firefox was even Phoenix I emphatically disliked Gecko's fat underlines (the fact that this is actually in line with specification (namely CSS1) and that IE8 now does the same notwithstanding), and with their XUL interface framework they've still not been able to design an interface which looks and feels native---not to mention one which is suitable responsive.
You can't kill someone in a studio.
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| 18 AUG 2009 at 5:25pm |
ThaumaturgeJourneyman
Posts : 999
Joined: 11 MAY 2006
Status : Offline | Fair enough, and thank you for expanding. ^_^
I honestly don't recall Netscape terribly well, but I'll admit that I find no problem with Firefox's look-and-feel, or its responsiveness. Nevertheless, such things can be rather individual, and my attachment to Firefox is probably a little irrational anyway (from what I've heard, I might find Opera or Chrome - I forget which was recommended over the other, if either - a better browser). I also freely admit that I avoid Internet Explorer for irrational reasons.
MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
*ahem*
Sorry.
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| 18 AUG 2009 at 5:49pm |
| Deleted User | WARNING! I don't know Thaumaturge well enough to comment or have an inkling how rational he is regarding Firefox.
..but... I do know JKing well enough to know that he is totally ga-ga about Opera, so if, in defense of the oh, so perfect Opera, he says anything derogatory about any other browsers, -just block your ears with wax... [smiley=whistle.gif] [smiley=devil_smiley_grintail.gif]
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| 18 AUG 2009 at 6:12pm |
ThaumaturgeJourneyman
Posts : 999
Joined: 11 MAY 2006
Status : Offline | Oh, don't worry, I didn't feel his comments to be untoward - and hope that mine didn't appear defensive. ^_^
*grins* Given this, however, JKing, should we say of you than any evening spent at the browser is a "night at the Opera"? ;P
MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
*ahem*
Sorry.
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| 18 AUG 2009 at 7:02pm |
AShadowWalkerPrivate Detective
Posts : 776
Joined: 6 AUG 2009
Status : Online | Hello There!
Definitively Firefox, that is until yesterday. It started to repeatedly crash, which is pretty much unheard of. I went and checked on other forums and apparently many users of Firefox are suddenly experiencing the same problem.
So I took it out of my U3 SanDisk USB Cruzer and installed Opera. Well, Opera has a little getting used to, and it seems lovely.....
except that in the internet cafe that I am at, it seems to run as fast as molasses in winter. Anyone out here can give me feedback on this? :-?
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| 18 AUG 2009 at 10:51pm |
Lady KestrelGuild Master
Posts : 4038
Joined: 27 SEP 2004
Location: US, NJ
Status : Offline | My default browser is Safari, which I like for little things like its special characters menu and easy-to-access spell check. Once in a while, however, I'll come across a formatting problem on a website, so then I'll switch to Firefox. I also sometimes use iCab.
"Where is the fountain that throws up these flowers in a ceaseless outbreak of ecstasy?"
-Rabindranath Tagore
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| 19 AUG 2009 at 4:38am |
InlandAZGuild Master
Posts : 5586
Joined: 4 MAY 2007
Status : Offline | As some will well know, I am a rabid Opera user
There are meds for that condition -
I agree with you on Chrome and Mozilla, they blow chunks (IMO). Mozilla has a nasty habit of rendering tables before it knows the actual dimensions of the table. Some folks like that feature because it opens a bit faster (I have another term for it). It absolutely drives me crazy watching the thing twitch all over the screen until it hits the close table tag.
Edit -
Well, lookie lookie - here's one for ya.
Netscape creator launches new web browser
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| 19 AUG 2009 at 2:09pm |
JKingSchattenjger
Posts : 2349
Joined: 4 MAY 2008
Location: 0
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By AShadowWalker (18 AUG 2009 7:02pm)
So I took it out of my U3 SanDisk USB Cruzer and installed Opera. Well, Opera has a little getting used to, and it seems lovely.....
except that in the internet cafe that I am at, it seems to run as fast as molasses in winter. Anyone out here can give me feedback on this? :-?
There could be a number of reasons for this. For one thing, Opera write a -lot- of data to disk, so you may want to minimize this by disabling the disk cache, or having it point to %TEMP% instead of somewhere on the flash drive. Writes to flash memory over USB tends to be much slower than to hard disk, so that may explain it.
If you're experiencing other kinds of slowness (eg. bad network transfer speeds) then you may want to tweak the network settings, but most of the time the defaults are optimal.
Alternatively it could be that the machine at the cafe has very little or particularly slow RAM. Opera also keeps a memory cache to speed up navigation; you can disable that, too, if you think it might be causing problems.
EDIT: Or, there's the easy route: http://opera-usb.com/
You can't kill someone in a studio.
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| 19 AUG 2009 at 2:31pm |
dWIntergalactic Janitor
Posts : 10
Joined: 5 AUG 2008
Status : Online | Instead of adjusting settings like Mr. King there suggests it perhaps would be better to just download the USB version of Opera. You wouldn't need to adjust any settings, but your speed problems most likely have to do with writing to the USB flash drive.
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| 19 AUG 2009 at 6:23pm |
SirDaveGuild Master
Posts : 4941
Joined: 17 OCT 2002
Location: US
Status : Offline | I tend to think that the browser that people will prefer directly relates to their browsing habits. For me, I've always stayed with IE because it has always been the 'standard' browser ie. websites use it for testing their own setups so IE is likely to work with all sites. However, my browsing habits are pretty simple- I have 3 or 4 sites that I go to daily and the rest is pretty much sticking something in Google to find out something. That type of use doesn't really require all that much sophistication on the part of the browser.
The future ain't what it used to be!
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| 19 AUG 2009 at 8:22pm |
Lucien21Guild Master
Posts : 4876
Joined: 9 JUL 2003
Location: 0
Status : Offline | IE for the most part, although I do have Firefox installed
Dear Diary, My teenage angst bullsh*t now has a bodycount.
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| 19 AUG 2009 at 10:43pm |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
Posts : 16540
Joined: 28 JAN 2007
Location: AU
Status : Offline | My habits are simple - so SirDave's comment sums up my experience but I'm puzzled. What sort of other kinds of browsing are there?
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| 19 AUG 2009 at 11:33pm |
SirDaveGuild Master
Posts : 4941
Joined: 17 OCT 2002
Location: US
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Caroline (19 AUG 2009 10:43pm)
My habits are simple - so SirDave's comment sums up my experience but I'm puzzled. What sort of other kinds of browsing are there?
One example would be that if one is going on to many different sites (in a given period of time) that have a lot of graphics/video then a faster browser is going to make the process more palatable eg. ever notice how it takes much longer for many sites to load these days due to all the extra crap that's on websites compared to just a few years ago? Since I don't do much of that, I don't care that much about how fast my browser is.
The future ain't what it used to be!
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| 20 AUG 2009 at 2:07am |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
Posts : 16540
Joined: 28 JAN 2007
Location: AU
Status : Offline | I could never watch youtube properly until I upgraded to ADSL2 so nowadays I find my internet/computing experience a lot of fun. Pity about the kids' computer though - they're connected on a very long cable and complain bitterly about drop-out and slow down that I never get.
I remember the old days my first two computers came with IE and Netscape installed and I simply stuck with IE.
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| 20 AUG 2009 at 3:38am |
JKingSchattenjger
Posts : 2349
Joined: 4 MAY 2008
Location: 0
Status : Offline | Web browsers are becoming more homogeneous in terms of general features these days. It used to be that some browsers had pop-up blocking, multi-document interfaces, a newsfeed reader, spell-checking and so forth, while others (chiefly IE) did not. Nowadays all these things are pretty standard features.
There are still some distinguishing features, however. For instance, I do tend to save a lot of documents for later reading in session files, the advantage being that you not only keep a record of interesting pages to read, but you also get the entire back/forward history for your navigation to and from that page, and you don't clutter your bookmarks, either.
As a specific answer to your question, though, Caroline, one instance where a particular browser would favour differing habits is with spacial navigation. In most browsers you can cycle through links with the Tab key. In Opera (and certain builds of Firefox now, I think), you can use the arrow keys in conjuction with Shift to navigate through links in two dimensions rather than simply linearly. You can also quickly navigate back and forward with the left and right arrows in conjuction with Alt, switch between open windows by pressing 1 or 2 (as well as the more usual Ctrl-Tab), and Speed Dial gives you quick, one-key access to your most visited sites. If you're a keyboard-centric users, all of these features go a long way to making your browsing much faster.
Opera also has many convenience shortcuts and settings which can be tuned for optimum performance for dial-up users. Most notably the upcoming Opera 10 will include Turbo, a filtering proxy which compresses documents and images for a 2-10x increase in perceived speed. Even in the current version you can turn images on or off with a flick of Shft-I, and can turn plug-ins (eg. Flash) off with a quick zoom through the F12 quick-preferences menu.
You can't kill someone in a studio.
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| 20 AUG 2009 at 5:01am |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Joined: 28 JAN 2007
Location: AU
Status : Offline | Oh dear.... at the risk of exposing my lamentable lack of techno-savviness, I have to admit just reading your explanation made me dizzy and I simply know I'd get lost.
I'm a girly girl you know, spatial things are hard for me, like can my car fit between those two parked vehicles? Terrifying sometimes.... 8-)... and maps? don't get me started. You'd think a GPS would be marvellous wouldn't you but my girlfriend and I managed to get lost with one the other day. The voice kept telling her to turn right but she simply refused to take her shiny new Lexus down a dirt road.... :
oh. I see I've wandered off the topic.
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