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| 1 JUL 2009 at 7:30pm |
loobilooPrivate Detective
Posts : 598
Joined: 3 APR 2008
Location: UK
Status : Offline | I really appreciate you posting with this info Alkis - m0ds original post came across as quite genuine & I didn't have any problem accessing links although my PC is well protected. I can't see in a zillion years why anyone would bother with a 'scam' like that on a major Adventure site unless it was true!
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| 1 JUL 2009 at 8:51pm |
JA-Staff2Private Detective
Posts : 466
Joined: 4 JUN 2004
Location: 0
Status : Online | It's unlocked, however:
1. Someone better make sure the developers that are speaking there actually know they are speaking there. The one I heard from had no idea they were supposed to be doing this, nor had they ever heard of Section7.
2. They also visited the posters site and were gifted with a trojan virus. My anti-virus software blocked the site saying it was listed as an attack site.
3. Clicking the link to the event itself resulted in a page not found.
So please forgive me for getting suspicious about the whole thing and trying to protect forum members.
If you are concerned about bad publicity, then have someone post about the event that doesn't have a homepage listed as an attack site that gives out trojans and have the link to the event page actually show up. Somehow I would think that would be more damaging than anything else.
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| 1 JUL 2009 at 9:32pm |
alkis21Schattenjger
Posts : 2112
Joined: 23 OCT 2002
Location: GR
Status : Offline | I should point out that I'm not one of the event's organizers. I reckon Mods will take care of it as soon as he reads this.
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| 2 JUL 2009 at 12:17am |
m0dsIntergalactic Janitor
Posts : 57
Joined: 25 FEB 2003
Location: UK
Status : Offline | Great! JA hospitality a five star rating as always. Thanks for letting me know. The typical JA-lockdown because I'm not a regular poster here is nothing new, in fact the rather suspicious response is almost something I expect from this place.
Just because I have a low "post count" here doesn't mean I'm a newbie, far from it - and in fact JA Staff, that comment really pissed me off. I've been around since 2001 and have met people from JA, despite them seething and not really wanting to know - like I said, I almost expect a harsh response from this place these days.
If you think AdventureX is a scam then so be it, I'm really not fussed if I don't get JA or anyone from JA's participation - I've had nothing patricularly great to say about this community since day 1 and by locking it down, removing the link to the SECURE ticket reservation site only imposes those views even more.
I came here to offer those who like adventure games the chance to come along to something that will be good fun, no matter what happens.
FYI, and well done for not bothering to check, screen7.co.uk is hosted on americangirlscouts.org which is the host site for BIGBLUECUP.COM aka AGS, so why MY site is being considered MALWARE I have no idea, I am looking into it, but it's no need to jump on your high horse and lock the whole lot down. If you even considered clicking the "ont block this site" button on Firefox you'd see that the majority of the content on the website is quite well in relation to adventure games and...ADVENTUREX.
To be honest, I'm not bothered about bad publicity. Every other website has been welcoming and up for it, it's just JA causing the bad publicity as far as I'm concerned. So thanks, NOT, once again, for your non-help on a fairly interesting idea.
Probably won't see you at AdventureX.
Mods
PS, No wonder they haven't heard of Section7, it's Screen7. And if you've never heard of them you've obviously never played a decent freeware adventure game.
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| 2 JUL 2009 at 2:08am |
JA-Staff2Private Detective
Posts : 466
Joined: 4 JUN 2004
Location: 0
Status : Online | Sorry you feel that way.
I see no point in furthering this by explaining the reasons for my actions once again. You're response to this speaks volumes about how this whole event is being handled.
You are on the AGS forums. The developers there can give you lots of good advice about how to deal with the situation, but most importantly they could have given you excellent advice on how to make a proper announcement that would have avoided any confusion and give your event lots of credibility.
Bottom line is that I wanted this to be true, but your link didn't work and the link to your personal website handed out a virus. I got suspicious, but even then gave you the benefit of the doubt despite your post stating otherwise. After a developer was contacted and they didn't know anything about it, I locked the thread. No need to have another Limbo of the Lost fiasco.
Two of your fellow forumites from AGS contacted me to let me know it was a real event and I unlocked the thread.
Whether you like it or not, you messed up. Then instead of getting the whole thing sorted out in a mature way you decide to go attack the whole site and rip on the staff. Not a very smart thing to do.
Best of luck with the convention.
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| 2 JUL 2009 at 8:34am |
| Deleted User | Since JA had been badly hacked before, and pretty badly quite recently, it is perhaps rather re-assuring to know that the JA staff is looking after the interests of its members. Try not to take it personally mOds; -I'm sure the JA Staff did what they thought was the best for everybody's interests at the time. At the end of the day, they did not completely delete your thread - they just pointed out some issues.
I would have been pretty upset if a link from JA took me to a site where a Trojan sat lurking.
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| 2 JUL 2009 at 10:51am |
MaraPrivate Detective
Posts : 542
Joined: 6 JUL 2007
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By m0ds (2 JUL 2009 12:16am)
Great! JA hospitality a five star rating as always. Thanks for letting me know. The typical JA-lockdown because I'm not a regular poster here is nothing new, in fact the rather suspicious response is almost something I expect from this place.
Just because I have a low "post count" here doesn't mean I'm a newbie, far from it - and in fact JA Staff, that comment really pissed me off. I've been around since 2001 and have met people from JA, despite them seething and not really wanting to know - like I said, I almost expect a harsh response from this place these days.
If you think AdventureX is a scam then so be it, I'm really not fussed if I don't get JA or anyone from JA's participation - I've had nothing patricularly great to say about this community since day 1 and by locking it down, removing the link to the SECURE ticket reservation site only imposes those views even more.
I came here to offer those who like adventure games the chance to come along to something that will be good fun, no matter what happens.
FYI, and well done for not bothering to check, screen7.co.uk is hosted on americangirlscouts.org which is the host site for BIGBLUECUP.COM aka AGS, so why MY site is being considered MALWARE I have no idea, I am looking into it, but it's no need to jump on your high horse and lock the whole lot down. If you even considered clicking the "ont block this site" button on Firefox you'd see that the majority of the content on the website is quite well in relation to adventure games and...ADVENTUREX.
To be honest, I'm not bothered about bad publicity. Every other website has been welcoming and up for it, it's just JA causing the bad publicity as far as I'm concerned. So thanks, NOT, once again, for your non-help on a fairly interesting idea.
Probably won't see you at AdventureX.
Mods
PS, No wonder they haven't heard of Section7, it's Screen7. And if you've never heard of them you've obviously never played a decent freeware adventure game.
Ah, get over it. Did you read the Staff post?
While I doubt that you are trying anything underhanded here based on your previous posts and amount of time you have been a member, you might just want to get some things straightened out.
He/She wasn't accusing you of anything; just trying to protect the forum membership. WHICH IS HIS/HER JOB!!! Which I appreciate since I'm a system moderator on another site. On my site, you'd be in real trouble right now, because we insist that situations like this, calling into question a moderator decision is to be taken to pm's not the public board!
You are getting a lot of publicity on this site by virtue of all this dustup-- so just chill! You aren't doing your cause any good.
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Mara
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| 2 JUL 2009 at 5:42pm |
| Deleted User | [size=16] ~~ Mara ~~ ... On my site, you'd be in real trouble right now, because we insist that situations like this, calling into question a moderator decision is to be taken to pm's not the public board!
Come on Mara --- don't be coy please ! Which site is "my site".
Is it by any chance the one where if you dare to contradict a Mod (even if you do triple somersaults to be uber-diplomatic) and correct a totally blatant error of fact you are quite likely to be banned ?
e.g. if a Mod says that black is white and after wrapping it up in wonderfully euphemistic words you very carefully & tactfully point out that it's actually black (in order not to confuse many thousands of readers) --- you're in trouble... and if you don't recant (like Galileo Galilei) and preferably genuflect to boot, you're in VERY serious trouble !!
i..e. the one where the Mods appellation starts with a "G" not an "M" ? and as you know, there's absolutely no difference of opinion whatsoever allowed with deities.
BTW It also doesn't hurt for the whole community to [s]sing[/s] post their praises in devout prayer over and over again --- at least once a month or so.
N.B. And whilst on this subject :-
AFAIK, the Mods on JA+ do an exceedingly good job in general and deserve a very nice pat on the back from time to time.
P.S. Knowing hardly anything about the actual subject in hand, it seems to me that the JA+ Mod acted wisely & fairly --- I have no idea whether the diatribe accusing JA+ of some sort of sinister motives is justified or not. Seems a bit unjustified to me --- but I have no knowledge whatsoever or info concerning mutual relationships.
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| 2 JUL 2009 at 7:09pm |
KarstenSorcerer Apprentice
Posts : 347
Joined: 23 SEP 2006
Location: DK
Status : Offline | As I understand it from this post
http://www.adventuregamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24914
at adventuregamers, the poster is just a placeholder; the names on it are only (or nearly?) a wishlist for developers in the adventure games community come and talk to us, the fans.
I agree, that m0ds have reacted in a way that isn't constructive at all.
However, I can understand his or her frustration for not being acknowledged for all the hard he or she has done. However, people still need to be civil and courteous, I find.
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| 2 JUL 2009 at 7:36pm |
| Deleted User | [size=16]Thanks for the link , Karsten --- some interesting reactions there.
N.B. That happens NOT to be the Site I was referring to !
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| 2 JUL 2009 at 10:28pm |
HalcyonSchattenjger
Posts : 1653
Joined: 17 NOV 2006
Status : Offline | It seems to me that there should be a place/forum/board for announcements such as this, to be vetted by the JA mods before it is made public. The free public forum is no place for commercial announcements anyway, IMO.
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| 2 JUL 2009 at 10:43pm |
IviniaGuild Master
Posts : 4459
Joined: 7 JUN 2003
Location: US
Status : Offline | Agree 100%. Press releases and contacting site owners so they can give it a proper announcement. Doing it yourself on forums just comes across as amateurish and doesn't give much credibility to your announcement, which is probably what JA-Staff was hinting at.
I'm most bothered by the hoster saying, "for your non-help on a fairly interesting idea." So is this thing real or just an idea?!? Personally, I wouldn't be giving my money away on advance tickets at this point. :-/
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| 2 JUL 2009 at 11:25pm |
StupotIntergalactic Janitor
Posts : 5
Joined: 1 JUL 2009
Status : Online | Nobody's asking for any money at this point anyway. M0ds is just asking people to register their interest so that he has an idea of numbers. Its a bit of a Catch-22 situation, because we need numbers in order to secure some of the guests, but people are reluctant to register their interest without confirmation of the line-up.
To be clear, not all of the people on Mods' poster are secured, but they have all been invited. Some have said yes, but others have told him that they will say yes if he can prove that people are interested in turning up.
So if you "buy" a ticket from http://adventurex.eventbrite.com/ for a whopping £0.00, then you are not committing to anything at this point - simply registering your interest, so that Mods can go back to those guests who have still to be persuaded and show them that people are going to show up...
Then when he has secured them then he can announce things properly and will be in a position to start taking money. And of course those who have already "bought" the reservation ticket will get first dibs on the proper tickets.
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| 2 JUL 2009 at 11:32pm |
IviniaGuild Master
Posts : 4459
Joined: 7 JUN 2003
Location: US
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Stupot (2 JUL 2009 11:25pm)
Nobody's asking for any money at this point anyway. M0ds is just asking people to register their interest so that he has an idea of numbers. Its a bit of a Catch-22 situation, because we need numbers in order to secure some of the guests, but people are reluctant to register their interest without confirmation of the line-up.
Ahhh, ok. Thanks for clarifying that. Well, I hope it works out for the genres sake. After the last 2 failed attempts by Malinche, it seems like a very uphill battle.
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| 3 JUL 2009 at 12:10am |
| Deleted User | [size=16]Who or what is or was Malinche ?
And what were the 2 attempts that he/she/it failed at ?
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| 3 JUL 2009 at 12:56am |
IviniaGuild Master
Posts : 4459
Joined: 7 JUN 2003
Location: US
Status : Offline | That's Howard Sherman's company that does the IF (Interactive Fiction) games. He tried twice to have an adventure gaming expo - once in Las Vegas and I think the second time was in Atlantic City. Both failed due to lack of interest...sort of.
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| 3 JUL 2009 at 1:31am |
| Deleted User | [size=16] THANX Ivinia [smiley=clap.gif] [smiley=clap.gif]
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| 3 JUL 2009 at 7:49pm |
loobilooPrivate Detective
Posts : 598
Joined: 3 APR 2008
Location: UK
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Stupot (2 JUL 2009 11:25pm)
Nobody's asking for any money at this point anyway. M0ds is just asking people to register their interest so that he has an idea of numbers. Its a bit of a Catch-22 situation, because we need numbers in order to secure some of the guests, but people are reluctant to register their interest without confirmation of the line-up.
To be clear, not all of the people on Mods' poster are secured, but they have all been invited. Some have said yes, but others have told him that they will say yes if he can prove that people are interested in turning up.
So if you "buy" a ticket from http://adventurex.eventbrite.com/ for a whopping £0.00, then you are not committing to anything at this point - simply registering your interest, so that Mods can go back to those guests who have still to be persuaded and show them that people are going to show up...
Then when he has secured them then he can announce things properly and will be in a position to start taking money. And of course those who have already "bought" the reservation ticket will get first dibs on the proper tickets.
Oh dear! Someone has gone to the effort to try & set up something to promote the AG genre which is badly needed & potentially wonderful. The amount of work needed for this would be immense!
I have only gratitude for JA staff to protect members (& lurkers) from potential scams & bogus sites. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
But I would also ask the same staff to please thoroughly check out any problems before condemning a 'proposal' e.g. E-mailing the poster about issues to do with the fact that their site may regarded as an 'attack' site etc & give them a complete grilling if you have to! [smiley=laughing.gif] before posting negative comments! They may not even realise that they are using a program that is coming across like that. I don't know whether anyone remembers Acalius - but clicking onto their site resulted in a trojan & the developers were horrified!
So sometimes things go wrong with the sites. It's very ambitious, but I'd love to see AdventureX go ahead & get some support so if M0ds needs some advice on how to clean up his link then there are plenty of experts here!
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