Originally Posted By Ksandra (8 JUN 2009 6:48pm)

Originally Posted By loobiloo (8 JUN 2009 5:53pm)
What advantages are there for using WASD keys instead of, or as well as the mouse?

The main advantage is that it allows you to control movement and [highlight]direction[/highlight] with the keyboard while leaving the mouse free for other things. Obviously this is far more of an advantage for action games, whereas in adventures it's not so much of an issue, but there's no reason why it couldn't work in adventures as well.

Originally Posted By TheTraveler (8 JUN 2009 9:52pm)

For me, direction is best achieved by using the mouse.  Keys on a keyboard tend to give you only four directions, whereas the mouse gives you an infinite choice and a smooth directional flow, which tends to feel like natural movement such as when you yourself are walking about and looking around.  
Ksandra, When I had read your first post, I had assumed that this was what you had been referring to.

Originally Posted By loobiloo (9 JUN 2009 6:40pm)
Thank you all for the comments on the use of WASD keys!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

But sorry, I still don't understand! I've just played SH VS JTR which you can play in 1st or 3rd person. According to the manual in 1st person you can use the keyboard but I never did & just used the mouse. This of course gives you full 3D immersion but in my case & for many others this kind of control causes terrible motion sickness so I was really glad of the function to be able to play in 3rd person most of the time. So I wondered whether you could further explain the advantages of using the keyboard - simply please?   [smiley=embarassed.gif]

Originally Posted By Camaroboy1968 (9 JUN 2009 7:07pm)
As I see it the difference is simple.  

 In first person perspective using the mouse you can only move in one direction which is forward.  Travel is accomplished by pressing the left mouse button to move and steering with the mouse.  Using the keyboard allows more versatility in movement since the keyboard gives you the option to move in eight different directions instead of one.  Not a big advantage in this type of game (SH vs JTR) but definitely more so in games that are more action oriented.  As for SH vs Jack,  even though I generally prefer third person I'm finding that in this case 90% of the time I'm in first mode preferring to be right down among the throngs in the thick of things as opposed to hovering above.  

Now I don’t understand…   Did you use the mouse while you were playing in first person?  Would you click somewhere in front of you, and then your character would go there?  I’ve just fired up the game again to try and figure out what you mean, but there is no way my character would move in 1st person unless I press down the W key

I'm not too sure what other 4 directions Camaroboy might be referring to

Originally Posted By Camaroboy1968 (9 JUN 2009 7:42pm)

Now I don’t understand…   Did you use the mouse while you were playing in first person?  Would you click somewhere in front of you, and then your character would go there?  I’ve just fired up the game again to try and figure out what you mean, but there is no way my character would move in 1st person unless I press down the W key

I think you mean to press the left mouse button and hold it down to move the character.

Originally Posted By loobiloo (9 JUN 2009 8:26pm)
In context of the thread - in what way, do you think,  could the use of these controls offer to break new ground in Adventure Games without the danger of them 'losing their identity' & becoming a 'hybrid' of major sub-genres?  

   

You can also move using the mouse in 1st person mode. To do this, point the camera in the direction required and double-click with the mouse to move in that direction.

Originally Posted By Camaroboy1968 (9 JUN 2009 7:42pm)
 
You can move diagonally by pressing the corresponding keys simultaneously.  For example to move NorthEast press W and D.

In context of the thread - in what way, do you think,  could the use of these controls offer to break new ground in Adventure Games without the danger of them 'losing their identity' & becoming a 'hybrid' of major sub-genres?  

Originally Posted By Camaroboy1968 (9 JUN 2009 8:44pm)


From S vs J game manual: You can also move using the mouse in 1st person mode. To do this, point the camera in the direction required and double-click with the mouse to move in that direction.

Yeah, right. Printing the correct instructions would be the first step at the very least.  :-?

Some AG's have very restricted movement, so you tend to think it doesn't matter, but, in Still Life 2, for instance, I would have really appreciated a "mouselook/WASD" system, (it is point and click), with an option for "always run" since the character would most often not break into a run even after you had been clicking till you were blue in the face, and the walking pace was pretty slow.

Originally Posted By loobiloo (9 JUN 2009 9:43pm)

Originally Posted By Camaroboy1968 (9 JUN 2009 8:44pm)


From S vs J game manual: You can also move using the mouse in 1st person mode. To do this, point the camera in the direction required and double-click with the mouse to move in that direction.

Yeah, right. Printing the correct instructions would be the first step at the very least.  :-?

[smiley=laughing.gif] I never read the instructions either Camaroboy! or double-clicked! It was just something I instinctively tried which worked - keeping pressed one of the mouse buttons to move, look left, right, up, down etc  

Some AG's have very restricted movement, so you tend to think it doesn't matter, but, in Still Life 2, for instance, I would have really appreciated a "mouselook/WASD" system, (it is point and click), with an option for "always run" since the character would most often not break into a run even after you had been clicking till you were blue in the face, and the walking pace was pretty slow.

Yep, it's really frustrating when there is supposedly an option to make the character run by double-clicking & it doesn't work - there are quite a few games I've come across where this function has been less than efficient! In the case of Still-life & being able to look around - is not the lack of option to do that more to do with the game design? i.e. you can only look at what the developers have designed you to look at, if that makes sense? But the option to pan around in a full 3D environment, if not breaking new ground, is a very welcome feature where developers can afford to incorporate it. Mmm - but we already know that you don't need keyboard controls to do that!  [smiley=laughing.gif]