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| 30 MAY 2009 at 10:35am |
| Deleted User | Yes, I find it amazing that although the game was developed in Europe, and an English version has been released elsewhere in the world, that the English Europeans are being made to wait. Since I am one of Frogwares biggest fans, and especially of their Sherlock games (so much so that I'd written one of only two FAQ 's available on the internet for one of their Sherlock games) and even applied to besta-test SH vs the Ripper (but was sadly turned down) I am literally pulling my hair out of my head that I am being made to wait so long for this game. I've had it on pre-order for about 3 months now. Aaargghh!!! [smiley=hair_pull.gif] [smiley=hair_pull.gif] [smiley=hair_pull.gif] [smiley=hair_pull.gif] [smiley=hair_pull.gif]
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| 30 MAY 2009 at 10:42am |
RevliskciPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Well, it is a shame that you feel you are forced to this step, but I can't forgive you, because, if you'd looked up a few posts before yours, you'd have seen that JA+ sells the game you want. And ships internationally.
The URL, in case you have not noticed it, is http://www.justadventure.com/BuyGamesJA_PZ.shtm
Pah!
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| 30 MAY 2009 at 11:00am |
| Deleted User | You're right Revlisci. I had ordered my copy of SH vs JTR also from an online store, but they keep moving on the ETA. I've heard that the JA store actually delivers very promptly. I think I shall be using them from now on.
Still, although I do not condone his pirate talk, one can understand the OP's frustration in that one has to pay shipping when ordering internationally, and often customs too, while the US guys can walk into a store and buy the game with no hassles. Since the game had already been released in France long ago, and apparently more recently in Greece too, it is pretty unfair that the British guys have to wait for so long!
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| 30 MAY 2009 at 12:09pm |
Steve VeaseySpace Cadet
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Revliskci (30 MAY 2009 10:42am)
Well, it is a shame that you feel you are forced to this step, but I can't forgive you, because, if you'd looked up a few posts before yours, you'd have seen that JA+ sells the game you want. And ships internationally.
The URL, in case you have not noticed it, is http://www.justadventure.com/BuyGamesJA_PZ.shtm
Pah!
I'm not paying the 23 dollars extra in shipping and import duties for the privilege of playing a game that is available to purchase off the shelf in most of Europe and North America. No doubt there are good business reasons for the delayed UK release and possiblyI will receive a stern warning from frogwares him(or her) self when they see this but frankly the fact that you can't even download the English Language version from the Adventure shop is a joke and just leads more people like me into semi-criminal activity.
Before anyone wonders I do NOT make a habit of downloading cracked copies of games, just yesterday I bought Secret Files 2, Scratches: Special Edition and Myst 4 : Revelation from my local HMV store, any of which I could have just 'torrented' online. It's just in this case I feel like the UK gamer is being shafted, I know most of you won't agree, but thats the way I feel and as I have the option to not pay for the game I won't be doing so..
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| 30 MAY 2009 at 1:07pm |
FnordSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | It's really strange that they won't release the game in the UK. The game is out here in Sweden, and that would most likely be the same version that will be released in the UK (we swedes hate localizations).
Well, at least you have some great games to play while you wait for it to be released. Myst 4 is one of my favorites (in my opinion it's the 2nd best Myst game, only Riven is actually better).
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| 30 MAY 2009 at 1:30pm |
| Deleted User | It is very strange - are you quite sure of your data, Steve? I think my copy I ordered from my online store might also be the UK version, as I bought the European version of Witcher from them, etc, and they gave an ETA for SH vs JTR of somewhere between 5 and 24 June.
Could you possibly link us to a source that gave you September, because I googled, and everywhere I just found one date for the entire Europe, being May.
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| 30 MAY 2009 at 1:57pm |
Steve VeaseySpace Cadet
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Status : Online | Traveller, the source is the Frogwares home page..Maybe its a Typo? None of the normal outlets round where I live are expecting it anytime soon so I assume September it is.. >
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| 30 MAY 2009 at 3:16pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Dr_Watson (30 MAY 2009 1:56pm)
Traveller, the source is the Frogwares home page..Maybe its a Typo? None of the normal outlets round where I live are expecting it anytime soon so I assume September it is.. >
Sadly, I fear you are correct. Frogwares has replied to this issue in the SH vs JTR thread. It seems to be one of those frustrating marketing issues.
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| 30 MAY 2009 at 3:44pm |
loobilooPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Steve, you can order the game from "Interact" for $19.95 + $10.00 shipping (with box). Delivery usually takes 4-5 days!
http://www.interactcd.com/cgi/Products.cgi?index1=special6&search_on1=.&index2=special3&search_on2=PC&preposition2=and&index3=category4&search_on3=visible&match3=exact&preposition3=and&searchstart=newreleases_start_template.html&orderby=special6&reverseorder=1&display=format1&selfsort=1
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| 30 MAY 2009 at 5:21pm |
karlaAdministrator
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Revliskci (30 MAY 2009 10:42am)
...JA+ sells the game you want. And ships internationally.
The URL, in case you have not noticed it, is http://www.justadventure.com/BuyGamesJA_PZ.shtm ...
This is true. It looks to be in stock for $19.95 and ships internationally for $8.00.
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| 31 MAY 2009 at 12:10am |
KaylIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By karla (30 MAY 2009 5:20pm)
Originally Posted By Revliskci (30 MAY 2009 10:42am)
...JA+ sells the game you want. And ships internationally.
The URL, in case you have not noticed it, is http://www.justadventure.com/BuyGamesJA_PZ.shtm ...
This is true. It looks to be in stock for $19.95 and ships internationally for $8.00.
Thats the ticket
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| 31 MAY 2009 at 8:33am |
IviniaGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Dr_Watson (30 MAY 2009 10:04am)
SO, unless anyone here can point me to a website where I can purchase the english language version I will be, in my own mind anyway, FORCED to play a pirated copy of the game.
While I feel your pain about not having a local vendor for this game, saying you would be "FORCED" to get a pirated version is complete BS and throws any sympathy I might have had for your plight right out the window. [smiley=shaking_head.gif]
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| 31 MAY 2009 at 9:08am |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Status : Offline | You're all being very hard on the newbie. [smiley=nono.gif] If he'd wanted to get a pirate copy he'd simply have done so without coming and and making a target of himself. Instead he posted here - having a good old whinge about some iniquitous discriminatory situation (marketing be damned > ) - and got the information he needed to acquire a legal copy. Bravo to those who answered with help. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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| 31 MAY 2009 at 9:39am |
Steve VeaseySpace Cadet
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Status : Online | Thanks for the information people, I will still have to pay an additional 'handling' fee but as I have calmed down a bit now I will get a legit copy from somewhere.
Frogwares posted on another thread that the game will never be sold as cheaply in the UK as you can get it now (because all that happens with goods priced in dollars is they change the currency symbol i.e $19.95 becomes £19.95 - which is where we get shafted again because it bears no relation to the actual exchange rate) So I guess I am 'happy' to pay the eventual 40 dollars or so..
Thanks for everyone being so reasonable :-[
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| 31 MAY 2009 at 3:48pm |
loobilooPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Dr_Watson (31 MAY 2009 9:38am)
Thanks for the information people, I will still have to pay an additional 'handling' fee but as I have calmed down a bit now I will get a legit copy from somewhere.
I don't understand what you mean by an 'additional handling fee'? The game can cost you as less as either $29.95 or $27.95 depending on where you buy it from! :-?
Frogwares posted on another thread that the game will never be sold as cheaply in the UK as you can get it now (because all that happens with goods priced in dollars is they change the currency symbol i.e $19.95 becomes £19.95 - which is where we get shafted again because it bears no relation to the actual exchange rate) So I guess I am 'happy' to pay the eventual 40 dollars or so..
The prices I've mentioned above are well below $40.00! Games have always been sold far more cheaply in NA than the UK & many other countries in Europe! But that goes for many other goods as well as games! It's not about being 'shafted' - it's about the makers of the games needing to make enough profit to make it worth while continuing to make them. If they are based in Europe they need to charge 'European' prices which outprice the game for NA gamers. NA, I would guess, is a large market worth offering the game to for less!
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| 31 MAY 2009 at 3:58pm |
Steve VeaseySpace Cadet
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Status : Online | Loobiloo, there is import duties and something called 'factoring' fees which I have never understood but is probably to do with the transporting of the goods from the point of entry in the UK, because that is all 'shipping' costs cover..
Also, I am guessing that Frogwares sell more copies of their games in Europe than they do in North America (for cultural reasons Adventure Games are still relatively popular) so if they can price the game in the states at $19.95 they should be able to sell it in the UK for £15..but they won't..
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| 31 MAY 2009 at 4:06pm |
loobilooPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Steve, I live in the UK too, buy lots of games from NA (legitimately!) & have never paid more than the price of the game + shipping! Where are you trying to buy them from? [smiley=boggled.gif]
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| 31 MAY 2009 at 6:25pm |
Steve VeaseySpace Cadet
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By loobiloo (31 MAY 2009 4:05pm)
Steve, I live in the UK too, buy lots of games from NA (legitimately!) & have never paid more than the price of the game + shipping! Where are you trying to buy them from? [smiley=boggled.gif]
The last time I bought something from Amazon it was delivered by UPS and they produced some kind of manifest that said I had to pay about 12 pound on top of the quoted price - a 'factoring' fee was one of the items on there :-?
Edit: OOps, I wonder if its because I used the 'express' international delivery option..Thinking about it I probably payed over the odds to get the faster delivery so sorry Loobiloo you are probably right.. :-[
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| 31 MAY 2009 at 6:33pm |
loobilooPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | When I've tried to buy anything from Amazon in NA I've always been directed to the UK site & there imports are very expensive! Maybe it's because they are a much larger concern than a couple of the smaller places recommended to you which perhaps include all the necessary fees in the cost of shipping - I don't know! But what I do know is that you can buy games from the smaller places quite legitimately for no more than the advertised price plus advertised shipping cost! I would like to suggest that you try these outlets rather than Amazon!
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| 31 MAY 2009 at 6:34pm |
Lucien21Guild Master
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Status : Offline | Import VAT is not payable on:
commercial consignments eg goods purchased over the internet with an intrinsic value not exceeding £18, but this does not include alcohol, tobacco products, perfume or toilet waters
gifts, excluding alcohol, tobacco, perfumes and toilet waters, with a value not exceeding £36
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| 31 MAY 2009 at 9:12pm |
| Deleted User | Living in the US I understand that amazon UK is not permitted to ship any kind of video game to the states. Can I assume that this policy is in similar accord with you folks overseas? On the other hand I have purchased a few games recently from other UK sources and find the Royal Airmail service to be very reasonable, around $3.00 - 3.50. Sorry to say the the US postal service is a bit more expensive for those wishing to import games.
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| 31 MAY 2009 at 11:54pm |
GonchiSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Dr_Watson (31 MAY 2009 6:24pm)
... it was delivered by UPS and they produced some kind of manifest that said I had to pay about 12 pound on top of the quoted price...
That's the problem there, UPS is notorious for pulling this kind of stuff on international shipments.
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| 1 JUN 2009 at 12:12am |
StilerJourneyman
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Lucien21 (31 MAY 2009 6:33pm)
Import VAT is not payable on:
commercial consignments eg goods purchased over the internet with an intrinsic value not exceeding £18, but this does not include alcohol, tobacco products, perfume or toilet waters
gifts, excluding alcohol, tobacco, perfumes and toilet waters, with a value not exceeding £36
Toilet waters? lol, maybe it's something different over there but why on earth would someone import toilet water of any kind?
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| 1 JUN 2009 at 1:31am |
| Deleted User | SO, unless anyone here can point me to a website where I can purchase the english language version I will be, in my own mind anyway,[size=14] FORCED to play a pirated copy of the game.
[bYou're all being very hard on the newbie. If he'd wanted to get a pirate copy he'd simply have done so without coming and and making a target of himself.
Are we all being very hard on a newbie ?
IMO this is absolute BS as Ivinia wrote above and I agree completely.
All the complex details of International trade and tariffs and shipping costs , etc. are irrelevant.
If anybody has a complaint about the different costs and availability of purchasing SHvJtR and their justifications would be hopefully received and considered by Frogwares.
But as an important matter of principle -------------
There are thousands of things in this world which many of us would like --- or would like quickly because others have acquired them already and before us and we have to wait in line for whatever reason. But that is life and is far from essential or a tragedy !
I am not defending Frogwares in any way and I have no knowledge whatsoever of their apparently purely commercial reasons or the facts pertaining to this particular case.
Nor do I know the reasons behind the fact that different articles are priced very differently in different countries.
Nor do I know why any article which IS available from different sources but taking a week or so longer to arrive and costing not too many dollars more is a catastrophe.
But leaving all these issues aside, to steal any item, and that is exactly what pirating a game is, is unacceptable !
If anybody wishes to be a common or garden petty thieff that ishis/her business, and I'm not moralizing here. But to claim that bare theft with any statement like :FORCED" to be a criminal (and others I have read elsewhere quite frequently) is no justification !
Go shoplift an article from the local Mall and see if the judge accepts arguments analogous to the above for pronouncing a “Not guilty" verdict ?
Edited --- some typos !!!
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