| 28 MAY 2009 at 6:57pm |
loobilooPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Thanks for the link Kayl! the game looks interesting - is this the one that is supposed to be similar to Indigo Prophecy?
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| 28 MAY 2009 at 7:54pm |
StilerJourneyman
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Status : Offline | Yes, it's from David Cage's studio (Omikron/Fahrenheit aka Indigo Prophecy).
It's most comparable to Fahrenheit in how you can choose which character to play a chapter as but it does some things different too.
Such as the ability for a character to die and the story to continue on (you don't "lose/quit" if it happens) it will simply be worked into the storyline and youi'll play as one of the other characters.
Really looking forward to this game, it's one of the main reasons I got a ps3.
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| 28 MAY 2009 at 8:00pm |
loobilooPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Thanks Stiler, have you any info on the difficulty level? I played Indigo Prophecy on easy & found that quite hard going!
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| 28 MAY 2009 at 8:20pm |
InesrocksPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | im a die-hard Fahrenheit fan... for me that is what an 21century adventure should look like. Nice 3d graphics, great storyline, multiple characters, non-linearity...
obviously I would kill to play Heavy Rain but I got no PS3... guess im not the only one so ill have to wait for it to be eventually ported to PC
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| 30 MAY 2009 at 7:17am |
Taurnil MithrandirJourneyman
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Status : Online | I'm dying of playing this game so I'll probably buy a PS3.
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| 15 JUN 2009 at 12:38pm |
AkhillesPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Non-adventure type folks are excited about it (when announced during E3 keynote it got the most applause).
I am curious about the description...
Heavy Rain is a cinematic and evolving thriller from Quantic Dream, the developer behind the critically acclaimed Fahrenheit. Dealing with a range of adult themes, the game revolves around a sophisticated plot and strong narrative threads that explore a complex moral proposition.
You assume the role of multiple characters, with very different backgrounds, motivations and skills, in a world shaped by Bending Storylines - a dynamic narrative design where your actions and decisions will shape your story.
Adult themes? :-?
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| 15 JUN 2009 at 12:44pm |
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Status : Online | Voila!
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| 15 JUN 2009 at 4:43pm |
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Status : Online | I have a PS3 and will probably skip this one. I am absolutely flabbergasted that people are so easily accepting that half of the gameplay in the game consists of those god awful 'press the right button in .2 seconds when the prompt flashes on the screen' events. It wasn't fun in Dragon's Lair, it wasn't fun in the FMV games of the 90s, it wasn't fun in Fahrenheit, and I have no doubt it that it won't be fun here. I don't even consider that gameplay as there is no positive reinforcement besides the scene continuing like it would otherwise. I got much more enjoyment from watching a playthrough of Fahrenheit on YouTube than I did actually playing the game! Everything else about the Heavy Rain looks great but I don't think I'll be able to get over primarily quicktime event based gameplay to give a care.
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| 15 JUN 2009 at 4:51pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By bysmitty (15 JUN 2009 4:43pm)
I have a PS3 and will probably skip this one. I am absolutely flabbergasted that people are so easily accepting that half of the gameplay in the game consists of those god awful press the right button in .2 seconds when the prompt flashes on the screen. It wasn't fun in Dragon's Lair, it wasn't fun in the FMV games of the 90s, it wasn't fun in Fahrenheit, and I have no doubt it that it won't be fun here. I don't even consider that gameplay as there is no positive reinforcement besides the scene continuing like it would otherwise. Everything else about the game looks great but I don't think I'll be able to get over primarily quicktime event based gameplay to give a care.
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I could not have said that better. The story and setting of Fahrenheit/Indigo Prohesy intrigued me a lot, so it frustrated me terribly that I struggled to advance with the game because of the silly control-based mini-games. It almost seemed like the game designer did not know how to design proper AG puzzles, and therefore stole some arcade game/casual game ideas as filler.
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| 15 JUN 2009 at 4:54pm |
InesrocksPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By TheTraveler (15 JUN 2009 4:51pm)
Originally Posted By bysmitty (15 JUN 2009 4:43pm)
I have a PS3 and will probably skip this one. I am absolutely flabbergasted that people are so easily accepting that half of the gameplay in the game consists of those god awful press the right button in .2 seconds when the prompt flashes on the screen. It wasn't fun in Dragon's Lair, it wasn't fun in the FMV games of the 90s, it wasn't fun in Fahrenheit, and I have no doubt it that it won't be fun here. I don't even consider that gameplay as there is no positive reinforcement besides the scene continuing like it would otherwise. Everything else about the game looks great but I don't think I'll be able to get over primarily quicktime event based gameplay to give a care.
...bysmitty
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I could not have said that better. The story and setting of Fahrenheit/Indigo Prohesy intrigued me a lot, so it frustrated me terribly that I struggled to advance with the game because of the silly control-based mini-games. It almost seemed like the game designer did not know how to design proper AG puzzles, and therefore stole some arcade game/casual game ideas as filler.
I think quite the opposite. Those action scenes were what made me into the game, in the sense that I was really in danger... that if I wasnt able to do it, then I would die. That sure made me tense and somewhat stressful, but in the enf, when I eventually made it through the scenes, it was a wonderful feeling, just like finishing a hard puzzle!
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| 15 JUN 2009 at 5:44pm |
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Status : Offline | Each to their own, I suppose. ^_^
Personally, I seem to recall that I rather disliked the button-mashing and button-matching elements of Fahrenheit; for one thing, I simply don't enjoy such gameplay, but, perhaps worse for me, I seem to recall that I found that they distracted me too greatly from the scenes, especially in the button-matching cases. I found it difficult, I think, to watch the lights while at the same time enjoying the visuals.
Thankfully, I discovered that, with a keyboard, at least, the button-matching segments could be fooled reasonably well by a little button-mashing, allowing me to get through those sections while still enjoying the scene itself.
I enjoyed Fahrenheit, I believe, but I do think that it was in spite of the button -matching and -mashing segments, rather than because of them.
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| 15 JUN 2009 at 7:52pm |
StilerJourneyman
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Status : Offline | I didn't much care for it in Fahrenheit (Mainly because it got in the way of you seeing waht was going on in the game) however I didn't play fahrenheit for the "gameplay."
Heck I don't think I've every played any adventure for the "gameplay" aspect, rather to me it's al about the story and character development/interation, and to me that was why I loved Fahrenheit so much.
As far as Heavy rain goes it's not the same as in Fahrenheit.
Rather the button presses can lead to different outcomes and choices.
IE - in one video where the girl is attacked by the taxidermist guy in the kitched, there are numerous buttons that pop up, depending on which you press it will determine what she does. Like one on the table will make her leap over it, another on the chair will have her pick it up to use as a weapon/defense, etc.
Then even if you miss a button it isn't always instantly fail, like in tihe recent E3 videos with the guy at the junkyard. He misses some things and it changes the scene, he gets captured but doesn't die and then has another chance to escape.
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| 15 JUN 2009 at 10:54pm |
AkhillesPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Unfortunately I think the twitchy gameplay is there so that the mainstream FPS players will pick up the game. The genre-killing name "adventure game" will slaughter game sales... sadly.
But at least there are companies out there still plugging away making real adventure games that still require more thought than button-mashing.
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| 16 JUN 2009 at 9:22am |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Inesrocks (15 JUN 2009 4:53pm)
I think quite the opposite. Those action scenes were what made me into the game, in the sense that I was really in danger... that if I wasnt able to do it, then I would die. That sure made me tense and somewhat stressful, but in the enf, when I eventually made it through the scenes, it was a wonderful feeling, just like finishing a hard puzzle!
Ines, as you know - I also enjoy tension in a game, and the possibility of your character dying - since I enjoyed these elements in Still Life 2 and Overclocked, and so on.
But the tension in the Still Life 2 timed puzzles, were achieved by real actions that your character had to perform, as opposed to that coloured button mini-game in Fahrenheit.
Maybe I should have specified that it was not the general action elements that I personally disliked but the flashing light game, partly because of what Thaumaturge mentioned: I seem to recall that I found that they distracted me too greatly from the scenes, especially in the button-matching cases. I found it difficult, I think, to watch the lights while at the same time enjoying the visuals.
The flashing light thing didn't work for me - it did not feel like it was part of the the events taking place in the game, but more like a seperate mini-game that you had to concentrate on, while your character was doing something else, and so it didn't really feel immersive to me, - it didn't feel as if I was controlling what my character was doing.
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| 16 JUN 2009 at 6:30pm |
InesrocksPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By TheTraveler (16 JUN 2009 9:22am)
Originally Posted By Inesrocks (15 JUN 2009 4:53pm)
I think quite the opposite. Those action scenes were what made me into the game, in the sense that I was really in danger... that if I wasnt able to do it, then I would die. That sure made me tense and somewhat stressful, but in the enf, when I eventually made it through the scenes, it was a wonderful feeling, just like finishing a hard puzzle!
Ines, as you know - I also enjoy tension in a game, and the possibility of your character dying - since I enjoyed these elements in Still Life 2 and Overclocked, and so on.
But the tension in the Still Life 2 timed puzzles, were achieved by real actions that your character had to perform, as opposed to that coloured button mini-game in Fahrenheit.
Maybe I should have specified that it was not the general action elements that I personally disliked but the flashing light game, partly because of what Thaumaturge mentioned: I seem to recall that I found that they distracted me too greatly from the scenes, especially in the button-matching cases. I found it difficult, I think, to watch the lights while at the same time enjoying the visuals.
The flashing light thing didn't work for me - it did not feel like it was part of the the events taking place in the game, but more like a seperate mini-game that you had to concentrate on, while your character was doing something else, and so it didn't really feel immersive to me, - it didn't feel as if I was controlling what my character was doing.
Yeah.. I get your point now. I guess I didnt find it as distracting, but sure I can admit that sometimes the stress to press the right buttons was such that you often would forget to look at what your character was doing lol
But what I really liked about the game was, not only the story itself, but the non-linearity. The many answers to the questions, the many endings, the way you would play one character and then you would immediately be playing as your enemy... something Dreamfall also did, but not in this intense way I think. I really liked the innovative approac to adventure games they brought, making a good alternative to the old and great point and click linear adventures.
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| 16 JUN 2009 at 9:06pm |
ThaumaturgeJourneyman
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Status : Offline | I think that it might be useful to differentiate between the interface and what I'll call the game progression (if I know it, then I seem to have forgotten the standard term for the latter).
What TheTaveller (I presume) and I have been saying that we dislike is the interface of Fahrenheit - the way that we interacted with the game-world.
For myself, I agree that the progression of the game was excellent in its degree of non-linearity (although I think that I'd like to see more freedom of choice yet - I do acknowledge, however, that doing so will most likely result in rather more work for the developers).
I think that the game progression has very little to do with the interface - I believe, for example, that Fahrenheit could very well be made using a different, hopefully to my mind more intuitive and less obtrusive, interface. That said, I doubt that the traditional point-and-click interface would be ideal, as I don't think that it's wonderful for action scenes.
Originally posted by Stiler
Rather the button presses can lead to different outcomes and choices.
IE - in one video where the girl is attacked by the taxidermist guy in the kitched, there are numerous buttons that pop up, depending on which you press it will determine what she does. Like one on the table will make her leap over it, another on the chair will have her pick it up to use as a weapon/defense, etc.
Hmm... Having seen some of the videos, I think that the interface looks decent at least (with some touches that I rather like), and probably rather less obtrusive than that of Fahrenheit, I think. I'm not entirely sold on it, but then it's intended, it seems, for a console controller, which isn't my favourite control mechanism, I don't believe.
I do wonder how well the gameplay flows, however, combat especially, given that the main interaction seems to be in the form of very discrete inputs in the form of those controller-action matches.
I'm very interested to know just how much freedom of choice there is, compared to Fahrenheit - that this game comes from the creators of that game gives me some hope. The videos make it seem as though there is a truly impressive amount of freedom - I wonder, if that's true, how they pulled it off.
I'm still not a fan of quick-time events, however.
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| 16 JUN 2009 at 11:26pm |
StilerJourneyman
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Thaumaturge (16 JUN 2009 9:06pm)
Hmm... Having seen some of the videos, I think that the interface looks decent at least (with some touches that I rather like), and probably rather less obtrusive than that of Fahrenheit, I think. I'm not entirely sold on it, but then it's intended, it seems, for a console controller, which isn't my favourite control mechanism, I don't believe.
I do wonder how well the gameplay flows, however, combat especially, given that the main interaction seems to be in the form of very discrete inputs in the form of those controller-action matches.
I'm very interested to know just how much freedom of choice there is, compared to Fahrenheit - that this game comes from the creators of that game gives me some hope. The videos make it seem as though there is a truly impressive amount of freedom - I wonder, if that's true, how they pulled it off.
I'm still not a fan of quick-time events, however.
Well there's the same type of non-linear progression as with Fahrenheit, being able to see a chapter from one character or another.
However the big differene this time is that any character can die in te game. If one of the characters gets killed it's not game over. The death is worked into the story and you continue the game with the other characters.
Also there's non linearity in terms of how you approach things.
Like the junkyard scene, the developer mentions how you never even have to confront the guy there about the car/evidence and you won't ever fight him.
Instead if you look around yourself you can end up finding the car in the back of the lot and get all you need to go on from that.
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