| 23 SEP 2010 at 2:22pm |
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Status : Offline | From what I've heard, it is not supposed to be simpler, but the underlying system is more transparent. This is at least what I've managed to gather from reviews. It would seem like combat is getting a bit more involved & requiring more tactics, as you can no longer build a huge stack and simply throw people against the walls until they break.
If you need any help with Civ 4, I'm sure that you can get quite a bit of help from the people on this forum. Several of us have after all played through Civ 4 (multiple times).
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| 23 SEP 2010 at 2:55pm |
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Status : Offline | I see - thanks, Fnord. [smiley=thanks.gif] [smiley=blush.gif] *feels a bit silly that she is such a Civ noob*
Somehow I'm just not quite sure how to get 'into' the game. I'll try to have a look at Civ IV before we go away visiting for a few days, probably leaving on Sunday, otherwise for sure when we get back
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| 23 SEP 2010 at 3:13pm |
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Status : Offline | Ok, first Question: The game i bought, says that it is supposed to contain Civ 4, Warlords, and Beyond the Sword, all on one disk. Yet, when i initialise the game, all i get is beyond the Sword. I was hoping the game would have a tutorial, but all i get are scenarios for Beyond the Sword..
I'll try uninstalling and re-installing, perhaps i missed something, but i was wondering if Civ 4 comes with a tutorial? (Most strategy games do :-? )
EDIT: Nope, uninstalled and re-installed, and it said I was installing Civ 4 : Complete , but all I get is still the same: Beyond the Sword, and no tutorial..
Um, ok, -and no campaigns either? Only scenarios?
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| 23 SEP 2010 at 4:04pm |
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Status : Offline | You should have 3 shortcuts, 1 for each "part", and the original Civ 4 (with no expansions) has a tutorial. I would recommend that you play beyond the sword once you are done with the tutorial though, as it introduces some interesting concepts (without making the game more complicated early on). Otherwise, civilization4.exe, which can be found in the root directory for your civ 4 installation, starts the core game.'
There is no story driven campaign, only a grand campaign, much like Europa universalis.
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| 23 SEP 2010 at 4:21pm |
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Status : Offline | Oh, now I see..- I'm usually lazy, so I normally use the disks' autoplay feature which in this case, brings up only the 'Beyond the Sword' expansion for some reason.
I now went and fiddled in my startup menu and found the seperate shortcuts you mentioned. Thanks, Fnord! 8-)
*sigh* I'm so dozy these days... :-[
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| 25 SEP 2010 at 9:39am |
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Status : Offline | Ok. I played a bit of Civ 4, and I think I know what I dislike most about the game. It's that the game is so 1) lonely and 2) unstructured.
I really feel lonely playing it, because I am nobody in the game. Sure, you supposedly are Julius Ceasar or some generic person, but that doesn't mean anything, since it's not set in the context of the real Rome. If it was really set in Rome proper, yes, that would have been much more fun, but the only realy tribute it pays to "Rome" or whatever, is pure window-dressing ; - I mean, I encountered Mahatma Ghandi a few hundred years BC, and hahahahah - Ghandi lived just the other day, so...
Come to think of it, games like the first Age of Empires or Rise of Nations was also pretty nameless, though perhaps those being RTS's, one had a much higher sense of urgency, because you had to build your nation up ASAP or you get totally overrun by the opposition in a few moves...
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| 25 SEP 2010 at 6:02pm |
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Status : Offline | You will probably start to feel more for your civilization once you get a proper feel for how you want to play the game. That is at least how it usually is for me in those kinds of games.
One thing that I thought was really neat in Civ 2 was the wonders of the world videos. They would really give you a sense of accomplishment. In Civ 3 & 4 I never both watching the videos, but in Civ 2 I always watch them when they pop up. Here are a few examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2m1_hUbARI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7aEoxSg3to&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYqk_27djs8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-sidY6kofY&feature=related
I hope they return to a similar style in Civ 5, after all, people still often talk about Civ 2's great wonders of the world videos.
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| 25 SEP 2010 at 6:23pm |
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Status : Offline | Thanks Fnord - will definitely watch those vids. Maybe not all of them now, we're about to leave for a little 4 or 5 day vacation, so I'll be offline for quite a while.
See ya all again next week!
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"They are not reciprocally sublated--the one does not sublate the other externally--but each sublates itself in itself and is in its own self the opposite of itself" (Hegel, from The Doctrine of Being)..."
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| 25 SEP 2010 at 8:03pm |
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Status : Offline | i felt the same way Trav i did enjoy watching some of the litttle objects do their annimations, esp the little triremes... but that got old.
i had high hopes and had collected a ton of the scenarios as i thought maybe it would be a great way to see history in actoin but i lost interest fast once i started playing them.
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| 26 SEP 2010 at 3:11pm |
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Most scenarios for Civ are not very good, but there are a handful of exceptions. There was an alien invasion scenario released for Civ 2 that I thought was really fun, where the forces of humanity has to work together to repel the threat (of course, if anyone feels greedy, he/she can backstab another human faction and take over their cities). You can also play as the aliens, but they are so powerful that there is next to no challenge in playing them.
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| 10 OCT 2010 at 11:46am |
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Status : Offline | Well, I haven't played much of Disciples 3 yet, but so far, I'd say it's not quite as addictive as Disciples 2. It feels more generic to me, even though the structure of how you build your castles is quite similar to the previous Disciples.
So far I am missing the whole thing with recruiting angels and having them plant rods as your strategic gathering of resources strategy. That was something unique to Disciples 2, and I miss that. You have a weak attempt at the rod thing in this game, but so far I've only had one single hero do everything. It seems any hero can plant a rod which is then defended by a "guardian" but only at certain nodes..- it's not the same as the old system, so a definite thumbs down on that one.
It also feels less exciting than Disciples 2, for all its prettiness.
I can't yet give an opinion on the game as a whole, but so far I'd say I got more value for money out of my purchase of Disciples 2 Gold, which I have not even managed to finish yet.
Fnord, to you I want to say: Wait a bit. Even if it is only for the price to go down.
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| 10 OCT 2010 at 4:32pm |
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Status : Offline | those Civ videos....the first one Darwin:
that is NOT the HMS Beagle the royal navy brig he took the voyage on...whose main purpose was NOT his voyage but to gather breadfruit trees for plantations, Darwin was supercargo.... and he did NOT see any giraffes or baboons...they need to get their history right.
but i see that the videos are a nice attempt to put more into the games....i would prefer animations those are fun.
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| 10 OCT 2010 at 6:49pm |
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Status : Offline | What a shame that Disciples 3 did not live up to your expectations. I'll take your advice and wait until the game is in the 5-10€ price range.
The later Civ games had animated wonders of the world videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OCOOKW5aso
They were nice looking, but all of them were rather similar, which made them less entertaining. Of course, the fact that Civ 2 was the first game of that kind that I played might cloud my judgement.
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| 11 OCT 2010 at 7:33am |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Fnord (10 OCT 2010 6:49pm)
What a shame that Disciples 3 did not live up to your expectations. I'll take your advice and wait until the game is in the 5-10€ price range.
Well, unless you have played every single campaign in Disciples 2 and HOMM 5, and Elven Legacy, and King's Bounty, and is hungering for more fantasy-TBS....
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| 21 NOV 2010 at 5:38pm |
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Status : Offline | New expansion for majesty 2 is on its way, and will be released soon. This time you get to play as the monsters!
http://www.paradoxplaza.com/games/majesty-2-monster-kingdom
And what might be even greater news:
http://www.paradoxplaza.com/games/crusader-kings-ii
Crusader kings 2 is on its way.
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| 28 APR 2011 at 10:50am |
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Status : Offline | I'm still stuck on Empire Earth 2. What tickled me about it, is trying to have the game last long enough so i could enter Epoch 15 and have all those cool futuristic toys to play with.
Well, now I've discovered a very fun cheat, you can start yourself on epoch 10 or 15 or whatever epoch, and the AI players on whatever epoch, even only epoch 1, and then you can shoot them to smithereens with your missiles and nukes while they're still trotting around with pikemen and swordsmen.
Not very challenging, of course, but good for a hoot and some devilish whacky fun!
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| 28 APR 2011 at 4:43pm |
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Status : Offline | it does sound fun indeed. ...... a nuc can be a great help in a massed battle of knights and yoemen.....
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| 18 JUN 2011 at 8:50am |
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Status : Offline | Hey, this looks interesting! http://www.justadventure.com/Press_Releases/GameOfThronesWebsiteLaunches_May12_11.shtm
I'll definitely have to look into this in more detail. From this press release, it looks like fun!
I'm a bit nervous about that Cyanide has up to now only been involved with sport managment sims (which don't have much going for them as far as period-piece atmosphere goes) but Focus isn't a bad publisher in my experience.... I don't think?
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"They are not reciprocally sublated--the one does not sublate the other externally--but each sublates itself in itself and is in its own self the opposite of itself" (Hegel, from The Doctrine of Being)..."
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| 30 SEP 2011 at 5:17pm |
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Status : Offline | Lots of Good Old oldies 50% off for us strategy lovers on GOG this weekend: The Empire Earths, Lord of the Realm games, Evil Genius, etc. etc. 8-)
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"They are not reciprocally sublated--the one does not sublate the other externally--but each sublates itself in itself and is in its own self the opposite of itself" (Hegel, from The Doctrine of Being)..."
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| 1 OCT 2011 at 1:10am |
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Status : Offline | Hmm, Lords of Magic any good?
Back in the day I LOOOOOOVED Lords of the Realm I/II (hated the third one, which was just generic as hell).
Seems like it's a mix of HoMM and Lords of the Realm, might pick it up, only 3 bucks.
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| 1 OCT 2011 at 9:41am |
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Status : Offline | Lords of magic is a seriously flawed game. It plays like a mix between Heroes of might & magic/age of wonders & lords of the realm 2, but the enemy turns takes forever, and the in combat movement speed is painfully slow. I remember it as being rather buggy as well, but I played the unpatched version back when it was first released (I still have my disc somewhere).
Evil Genius is fun though. I can highly recommend it to anyone who enjoys dungeon keeper-like games (it is not as good as DK though)
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| 15 OCT 2011 at 4:18pm |
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Status : Offline | This weekend is Master of Magic, Master of Orion 1,2 & 3, and Independence War 1 & 2, Star Control 1, 2 & 3, Total Annihilation Commander pack and TA: Kingdoms, and a few sims too, just go look, lots of goodies, a lot of them under 2.99 (1 & 2 come together with some of them, for 2.99)
Atari sale
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"They are not reciprocally sublated--the one does not sublate the other externally--but each sublates itself in itself and is in its own self the opposite of itself" (Hegel, from The Doctrine of Being)..."
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| 15 OCT 2011 at 5:34pm |
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Status : Offline | Plenty of good games this time around. I can really recommend the following:
Independence war 1-2
Master of magic
Master of orion 1-2 (3 if you can find some of the old fan patches that fixed the AI and the balancing issues, and the things like ECM/ECCM and such)
Outcast (this one is a must!)
The Witcher
Total Annihilation (kingdoms is good, but not as good)
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| 20 OCT 2011 at 2:13pm |
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Status : Offline | A Game of Thrones - Genesis PC Release Date: 30/09/2011
OMG, How did this slip by so quietly? :-?
I'll have to check it out ASAP.
Sadly it received quite a few negative reviews.
This Scandinavian (Fnord help?) site seemed to like it; http://www.gamer.no/artikler/95962/anmeldelse-a-game-of-thrones-genesis/ but i can't seem to be able to open the even more positive review as reflected on Metacritic.
Well, in spite of this reviewer giving it very low marks, what he actually says about the game, makes the game sound very cool indeed! At last not just another boring airhead action game...
Game of Thrones is all about deception and subterfuge. Your opponents will never see what hit 'em because, well, nothing ever will. But then, suddenly, their royal piggy banks'll rasp out a final, pitiful squeal, and their "loyal" subjects will drive a thousand daggers into their back. The Iron Throne isn't won with an iron fist. In Genesis, you're less Khal Drogo and more Littlefinger.
So instead of kicking off matches with soldiers and archers, your first Genesis units are typically envoys and spies. The object of the game is to accrue more prestige points than everyone else, and the fastest way to do so involves swaying towns and castles to your cause. Envoys, then, stroll through the front door while spies sneak in the back. Spies, though, really make or break matches, as they gum up your works invisibly – sending half an allied town's funds back to your enemy. But they can be detected by other spies. Or you can cut spies off altogether by sending a noble lady to marry into a blood bond with a town. Assassins, though, counter blood bonds with good old-fashioned bloodshed. Then you're back at square one. And so on and so on and so on.
I must get hold of this...
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