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13 APR 2009 at 12:18am

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Looking around these boards, I see threads dedicated to such games as - Dead Space (an atmospheric, but ultimately uninspired shooter), Rise of the Argonauts (an actionRPG that barely even raised a ripple among RPG fans), Drakensang (a relatively obscure, mediocre and combat-filled RPG, with generic setting and story). Now, these threads may all be neatly tucked away on the Other Games board, but they are there*. And here I get to my point - where is the thread for So Blonde? Is it such a bad game, that AG fans do not want to play, or even discuss it?

So Blonde, the brain child of a well known developer, has been highly praised in a number of community reviews (even receiving some positive mainstream commentary) and has suberb visuals, with clear comparisons to much loved AGs of yore, yet has barely rated a mention in these forums. A Vampyre Story, a similarly reviewed game, with similar developer credentials, was afforded plenty of discussion upon its release. So, what's the deal? Is So Blonde really so, so, or is everyone too busy playing shooters and RPGs
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More seriously though - the game does look quite interesting to me, despite my initial misgivings about the premise and protagonist. It currently sits above AVS on my "to buy" list - with more impressive visuals, love the detailed 2D backgrounds, and, with Steve Ince at the helm, the hope of better quality writing (I was underwhelmed by this aspect of AVS after playing the demo). I do understand there are some off-putting elements to the game, I had initially dismissed it myself, and am still a little unsure about it. But, it does at least seem worth playing.

So, anyone played it? Impressions? Or, maybe some thoughts on why it's generating so little interest?


*And I have no problem with them being there. I'm certainly not setting myself up as the ultimate arbiter of taste. Actually, I've not even played most of the games I listed
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13 APR 2009 at 3:48am
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Originally Posted By An_Inkling (13 APR 2009 12:17am)
Looking around these boards, I see threads dedicated to such games as - Dead Space (an atmospheric, but ultimately uninspired shooter), Rise of the Argonauts (an actionRPG that barely even raised a ripple among RPG fans), Drakensang (a relatively obscure, mediocre and combat-filled RPG, with generic setting and story). Now, these threads may all be neatly tucked away on the Other Games board, but they are there*. And here I get to my point - where is the thread for So Blonde? Is it such a bad game, that AG fans do not want to play, or even discuss it?

So Blonde, the brain child of a well known developer, has been highly praised in a number of community reviews (even receiving some positive mainstream commentary) and has suberb visuals, with clear comparisons to much loved AGs of yore, yet has barely rated a mention in these forums. A Vampyre Story, a similarly reviewed game, with similar developer credentials, was afforded plenty of discussion upon its release. So, what's the deal? Is So Blonde really so, so, or is everyone too busy playing shooters and RPGs
?

More seriously though - the game does look quite interesting to me, despite my initial misgivings about the premise and protagonist. It currently sits above AVS on my "to buy" list - with more impressive visuals, love the detailed 2D backgrounds, and, with Steve Ince at the helm, the hope of better quality writing (I was underwhelmed by this aspect of AVS after playing the demo). I do understand there are some off-putting elements to the game, I had initially dismissed it myself, and am still a little unsure about it. But, it does at least seem worth playing.

So, anyone played it? Impressions? Or, maybe some thoughts on why it's generating so little interest?


*And I have no problem with them being there. I'm certainly not setting myself up as the ultimate arbiter of taste. Actually, I've not even played most of the games I listed
. Just using them to highlight a certain absence.


Well, this topic was combed through fairly extensively about three months ago.  (I'm referring to So Blonde, not to An_Inkling's subjective opinions presented in the first paragraph.  
)  No offence, I see your disclaimer at the end.  :-?

http://justadventure.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1232354941

Currently, and to the best of my knowledge and research, the reasoning stands.

Summary:
No distributors of the game in NA.  &&No offence, the US is not the center of the word, but still, there are a lot of us.
Digital downloads starting at $39.99 are an option, but as far as I'm conserned that's not an option.
Links to game play videos resulted in responses of major negativety.
The better news is that the game can be purchased from (listed as business) dealers from Ebay retailers from the UK at a reasonable price (less than $25 including shipping costs).  I admit that this is by no means my preferred choice for purchasing an AG but that's just how it is.  Before I make this decision though, it would be nice to see some comments first hand preferably from members on this forum regarding their opinions of the game. Yeah, I tend to respect and interpret their opinions far more than other generic sites.  




13 APR 2009 at 4:09am

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I do remember the thread about cost, distribution, and initial negative perceptions - I believe I posted in it. But that's the only thread I can recall on the game, and no one was discussing it from a position of having played it (from memory).

So, download is still the only way to purchase it direct? That's not a problem for me, but can understand those who'd rather not. And I do agree that those early game videos were not overly promising, but would love to hear more from those who've played the game more extensively. It is a major AG release, I'm just surprised there's been so little discussion on it, positive or negative. If it is a solid Adventure, I guess poor "packaging" is to blame for the luke-warm response.
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13 APR 2009 at 4:20am

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The gfx and gameplay look pretty much spot on for me, but the fact you play an annoying 17 year old girl is the reason I won't be buying it!

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13 APR 2009 at 6:08am

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I had a hard time finding it in the Netherlands, too. British webshops that would ship here were always sold out. I don't like digital distribution because I love my game boxes and want to be able to reinstall any game without the hassle of re-activating or finding that email with the verification code.
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13 APR 2009 at 7:13am

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Originally Posted By Steve (13 APR 2009 4:20am)
The gfx and gameplay look pretty much spot on for me, but the fact you play an annoying 17 year old girl is the reason I won't be buying it!

Well, that's how she starts the game.  


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13 APR 2009 at 9:13am

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Originally Posted By Camaroboy1968 (13 APR 2009 3:47am)

No distributors of the game in NA.  &&&&No offence, the US is not the center of the word, but still, there are a lot of us.

The English speaking world outside of the US is poorly served by Adventure games. I've imported many games from the US at a cost significantly higher than the RRP just to be able to play the game (which has incidently never been as good as wanted!). Australia, well anyone would think it is on the other side of the world
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Digital downloads starting at $39.99 are an option, but as far as I'm conserned that's not an option.

That's another problem with those that pop their head up here!. Players will only pay so much for a[n adventure] game. It seems if it's over the cost of a casual game people can/will avoid it classing it as too expensive. The game has a retail price of $44 (£29.99 converted to USD at today's rate). There are one or two retailers in the UK (Play for example) that always have lower than RRP prices but not all. I think I picked it up at £25 ($37). It had dropped to £10 [in the sale] when asked about it here a few months back but went out of stock quickly (game.co.uk).

The better news is that the game can be purchased from (listed as business) dealers from Ebay retailers from the UK at a reasonable price (less than $25 including shipping costs).  I admit that this is by no means my preferred choice for purchasing an AG but that's just how it is.

Purchasing from eBay often provides no direct support for the game's publishers/developers. If the game is cheap on there, consider they bought it even cheaper and thus everyone's margins are squeezed/gone by the time it gets offloaded on to eBay. Obviously the units were purchased from somewhere and it depends on the relationship of the 'business' seller with the distributor.

It's a good game, not the best [perhaps by quite a way]. For me, where Steve's involved I have confidence in the project so proably overlook some of the 'execution'

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13 APR 2009 at 11:19am

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I'm not much into cartoony games but still wanted to give So Blonde a chance since I like Steve Ince's work. The problem is that the loading times is ruining the experience since it takes 30-45 seconds to load a new location. I've had the game on hold for quite a while, but do intend to finish it. I very seldom leave a game unfinished.
I can't say much about the story since I'm still in the beginning, having just entered the mayor's office. The graphics looks great. Very detailed and pleasing for the eyes. So far the puzzles have been reasonable. I'm not much for mini games but fortunately you can skip them.

Another problem is that my computer crashed the other day (and I have to rely on my childrens' and hubby's laptops in order to catch up on the internet.) so I'm not sure when I'll be able to continue or perhaps start a new game.  :-/
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13 APR 2009 at 11:54am

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Originally Posted By An_Inkling (13 APR 2009 12:17am)
Drakensang (a relatively obscure, mediocre and combat-filled RPG, with generic setting and story)


Go to hell *.




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13 APR 2009 at 12:05pm
Deleted UserYes, I must say, that I find it continually amazing and amusing how An_Inkling can completely shoot down and trample on games that he has not bothered to play for himself.  These* are only a few of the examples of such games.

As regards to Drakensang - sure, it is obscure in the English-speaking world, as it is a German game, hugely popular in large parts of Europe.  The English translation came out only recently; and if it has remained obscure, a large part of the reason would be that it has a reasonably complex ruleset, similar to that of the D&
games - therefore not quite the favourite type of fare that the US-ian action-lover kiddies tend to do well at.

Regarding Rise of the Argonauts: it's a pity that this game was classed under RPG by the publishers, as it is certainly an action game with a much nicer and more complex story, than, say- Prince of Persia; but since it's actually and action game, the RPG crowd hardly gave it a second glance, and since it is called an RPG, the Action crowd would have given a it a fairly wide birth.  Sadness, as it's really a very pretty and enjoyable game.

13 APR 2009 at 1:51pm

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Originally Posted By TheTraveler (13 APR 2009 12:05pm)
Yes, I must say, that I find it continually amazing and amusing how An_Inkling can completely shoot down and trample on games that he has not bothered to play for himself.

Hmm, it seems some are taking my game assessments more seriously than intended. Even with the disclaimer. A little hint - the stuff before "More seriously" is not entirely serious
. I was simply setting up a - there are threads for all these Other Games (negative comments for affect), where is the So Blonde thread? I added the disclaimer to make it clear I was not passing full judgement on these games, or those who like them. In fact I've barely played any of them, so feel free to disregard my comments, I even added a smiley for further geniality.

Originally Posted By TheTraveler (13 APR 2009 12:05pm)

As regards to Drakensang - sure, it is obscure in the English-speaking world, as it is a German game, hugely popular in large parts of Europe.  The English translation came out only recently; and if it has remained obscure, a large part of the reason would be that it has a reasonably complex ruleset, similar to that of the D&
games - therefore not quite the favourite type of fare that the US-ian action-lover kiddies tend to do well at.

Obscure outside of Germany is "relatively obscure" to me. Despite only having played Drakensang for a short period, I do know something about it, having played the Realms of Arkania series which is based on the same P&P rules system.

My opinion of this game, and the reason I'll be unlikely to play it further than I have - too much focus on combat, not enough on roleplaying, rather generic story/setting. This is largely a pre-play opinion, ie. the opinion I formed in deciding on whether it is worth playing (reading interviews, reviews, other player's impressions) I do not offer it as a definitive summation.

Originally Posted By TheTraveler (13 APR 2009 12:05pm)

Regarding Rise of the Argonauts: it's a pity that this game was classed under RPG by the publishers, as it is certainly an action game with a much nicer and more complex story, than, say- Prince of Persia; but since it's actually and action game, the RPG crowd hardly gave it a second glance, and since it is called an RPG, the Action crowd would have given a it a fairly wide birth.  Sadness, as it's really a very pretty and enjoyable game.

You'll note I did not actually pass judgement on this game. Just noted that it was not all that popular among the RPG community, which you seem to agree with.

Personally, it does not look a game I'd be interested in, which is why I've not played it. Too much combat, too little else.

Originally Posted By TheTraveler (13 APR 2009 12:05pm)

These* are only a few of the examples of such games.

Wouldn't mind seeing some more examples to back up your claim.

The only one I can think of, is Fallout 3. And believe me, despite not having played it, I know plenty about that game. You'll also notice, that if I do ever offer an opinion about a game I've not played (again, can only recall Fallout 3), I'll clearly state that I've not played it.


Anyway, this thread is supposed to be about So Blonde, the opening "silliness" was a gentle dig at how many disparate games we have threads on, without having one on So Blonde. Nothing more. Did not mean to touch a nerve
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13 APR 2009 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted By An_Inkling (13 APR 2009 1:51pm)
 
Originally Posted By TheTraveler (13 APR 2009 12:05pm)

Regarding Rise of the Argonauts: it's a pity that this game was classed under RPG by the publishers, as it is certainly an action game with a much nicer and more complex story, than, say- Prince of Persia; but since it's actually and action game, the RPG crowd hardly gave it a second glance, and since it is called an RPG, the Action crowd would have given a it a fairly wide birth.  Sadness, as it's really a very pretty and enjoyable game.

You'll note I did not actually pass judgement on this game. Just noted that it was not all that popular among the RPG community, which you seem to agree with.

Personally, it does not look a game I'd be interested in, which is why I've not played it. Too much combat, too little else..


Actually, the sad part is that it is not all that combat- heavy, but the combat parts are very action-orientated, if you see what I mean. (Rather a la Jade Empire, (or Devil May Cry) only even more "special moves" as you progress)
Suffice it to say, combat is probably easier with a hand-held controller.  However, the very fact that the game has quite a lot of dialogue and adventure elements - the kind of thing you would normally find in in an RPG, probably put off the action guys.
The RPG guys would be put off by the fact the the game has almost zero of the traditional RPG elements. You don't build your characters' stats, and you don't get to customize your character, etc.

Originally Posted By TheTraveler (13 APR 2009 12:05pm)

These* are only a few of the examples of such games.

Wouldn't mind seeing some more examples to back up your claim.

The only one I can think of, is Fallout 3.

Fallout 3 was certainly one of them, yes.  I'll let you know when any more of them come to mind..


Anyway, this thread is supposed to be about So Blonde,


Quite. Well, when/if I finally manage to get hold of the game at a reasonable price, I would certainly also like to try it out - been eyeing it for a while now. Seeing as some posters have said that prices have dropped at some places, I'll hunt around for it again.

13 APR 2009 at 5:06pm

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Hi An_Inkling, back to the subject of So Blonde. I guess the lack of comments are to do with the fact that a boxed version hasn't been released in NA. I think it was first released in German? & did go on to get a UK release & the download price, I guess, reflects the cost of games in those countries which are quite a lot higher than those in the US!

The game focuses on a rich & spoilt 17 year old blonde who falls overboard & is washed up on "an exotic sland in the middle of the Bermuda Triangle". It takes her a while to work out she's not in a holiday resort, but somehow goes on to get embroiled in the island's problems. She is forced to be resourceful & also to think more about others eventually.  

The story is not that deep - but it is very entertaining & leads onto at least 3 different endings. The puzzles are entirely inventory based but there are a number of well integrated mini-games which can be skipped. It's quite a long game for an AG & will take between  17 - 25+ hours depending on your ability. I liked it, I thought there were enough interesting aspects, it was humorous in parts & the story flowed - even in the last chapter where I got fed-up having to go back and forth.

I was reluctant to post as I have read a lot of criticism about the central character  but to complain about the central character is totally ridiculous - the way she is & acts is the basis of the game - that's why it's called So Blonde!  [smiley=laughing.gif]

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You can read some people comments in adventuregamers http://www.adventuregamers.com/article/id,943 but the thing that strikes me the most is the 3rd place among the biggest disappointments in Adventure-treff (http://www.adventure-treff.de/artikel/features/adventures08_leser.php). Well, at least it's not Mata Hari (the first place)
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13 APR 2009 at 6:51pm

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Have you played the game SuperEdy? If not, why are you contributing by linking to articles that down the game without having any knowledge of it yourself or do you just believe everything you're told without thinking for yourself?  


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13 APR 2009 at 7:12pm
Deleted UserSeems like you really liked the game, loobiloo. That'll inspire me to some extra effort - maybe I'll be prepared to pay a bit more for it than I previously was? I'm slightly nervous about the copy-protection comments that I've heard though...

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Traveler, I did like the game but it's by no means one of my favourites. It's in a cartoon style, humorous in parts with a very nicely constructed story.  It's 'light' fare but a lot of fun & a very good length - I bought a boxed copy so can't comment on the copy protection aspect - I can't have anything installed 'worse' than Starforce which has been sitting on my PC for years & doing it no harm!  As for downloads - I've bought a few Indies but haven't bought any 'high profile' games that way.  


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Originally Posted By loobiloo (13 APR 2009 6:50pm)
Have you played the game SuperEdy? If not, why are you contributing by linking to articles that down the game without having any knowledge of it yourself or do you just believe everything you're told without thinking for yourself?  

I was just trying to be informative, An_Inkling was interested in some comments on the game and there are several both positive and negative in the AdventureGamers article. The fact that it was a disappointment for many German players proves that it's a game you just love or hate (I just wonder why), so it's better to try the demo first. Personally I have a weakness for comedy titles, even the worst ones (and I'm not talking about any game in particular). And "well, at least it's not Mata Hari" was only a joke.
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It just looks plain old boring to me.  The main character type and setting is a bore to me and "Comedy" games tend to be oh so flat on the actually funny nowadays.  They just try too hard...
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14 APR 2009 at 6:53pm

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Originally Posted By SuperEdy (13 APR 2009 7:57pm)

I was just trying to be informative, An_Inkling was interested in some comments on the game and there are several both positive and negative in the AdventureGamers article. The fact that it was a disappointment for many German players proves that it's a game you just love or hate (I just wonder why), so it's better to try the demo first. Personally I have a weakness for comedy titles, even the worst ones (and I'm not talking about any game in particular). And "well, at least it's not Mata Hari" was only a joke.


Hi SuperEdy, I just got the impression that An_Inkling was aware of the reviews & asking for player impressions on this forum but I see where you are coming from with the links  
The only thing is your second link seems to be to a German site which just gives a grade - unless you can read the reviews that quantify a grade they mean absolutely nothing. I agree that it is worth trying a demo before buying if you're not sure.  


shadow9d9 - I think it's fair enough, if by reading the information, you think you are going to find a game boring. We all have different tastes - but it's not fair to make a generalisation about a game you haven't played based on experiences of other games & assume it's going to be the same because it's not the sort of game that interests you!  So Blonde is a pretty good game - whether you like it or not is another matter but just because the protagonist & style doesn't  appeal to you personally doesn't mean that it is a bad game!  





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Originally Posted By loobiloo (14 APR 2009 6:52pm)
Originally Posted By SuperEdy (13 APR 2009 7:57pm)

I was just trying to be informative, An_Inkling was interested in some comments on the game and there are several both positive and negative in the AdventureGamers article. The fact that it was a disappointment for many German players proves that it's a game you just love or hate (I just wonder why), so it's better to try the demo first. Personally I have a weakness for comedy titles, even the worst ones (and I'm not talking about any game in particular). And "well, at least it's not Mata Hari" was only a joke.


Hi SuperEdy, I just got the impression that An_Inkling was aware of the reviews & asking for player impressions on this forum but I see where you are coming from with the links  
The only thing is your second link seems to be to a German site which just gives a grade - unless you can read the reviews that quantify a grade they mean absolutely nothing. I agree that it is worth trying a demo before buying if you're not sure.  


shadow9d9 - I think it's fair enough, if by reading the information, you think you are going to find a game boring. We all have different tastes - but it's not fair to make a generalisation about a game you haven't played based on experiences of other games & assume it's going to be the same because it's not the sort of game that interests you!  So Blonde is a pretty good game - whether you like it or not is another matter but just because the protagonist & style doesn't  appeal to you personally doesn't mean that it is a bad game!  






It does mean that it is a bad game.. for me...  I never said the game would be bad for other people, just that it personally turned me off.  This is what the thread was about.  Why it hasn't garnered a lot of talk.
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shadow9d9, my guess would be because it's not available in disc version in NA & not a lot of gamers have played it because the cost of
either importing it on disc or downloading it (& with DRM) is far too high for the NA market.  


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15 APR 2009 at 1:02pm

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Originally Posted By loobiloo (14 APR 2009 6:52pm)

I agree that it is worth trying a demo before buying if you're not sure.  


Is there an English demo available? I've not been able to find one.
I have watched the video on youtube showing the game's first five minutes. Not sure a demo would tell my a whole lot more.

From what I've read and seen, the game ticks the boxes on gameplay (fairly standard P&C, very much in the Monkey Island style) and visual presentation (again, very reminiscent of Curse of Monkey Island - I still tend to prefer the 2D backgrounds for this style of game). The puzzles also seem fairly standard, though some have mentioned that they are on the difficult side.

The complaints that have been most common and consistent, are about back-tracking and loading times. Neither of these are likely to be game killers for me.

The most crucial and subjective (particularly for a game that relies on humour) game aspects, are story and characters. I'm finding plenty of people who were completely put off by Sunny (game's main character), and would not play the game, but, of those who did play it, there seems to be more positive than negative comment. Many who say that Sunny starts off very shallow, and possibly grating, but shows some development and depth over time, and is actually quite likable. My overall impression is that the story and characters are good enough to experience for myself, provided I connect with the game's humour and main character. This is a little tough to judge, but I think I'll give it a chance. I haven't played a light, humorous AG in a while, and SB appeals to me more than A Vampyre Stoy. Will likely purchase it in a few days or so.

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Just received a boxed copy.  It will not install, Steganos reports a trojan, SHeur.BUMJ in the file SoBlonde.exe (on the DVD).  Googling I discovered Kaspersky reports the same trojan in So Blonde reloaded (download).  The owner of the specimen thinks it was a false positive.  There is no confirmation either way.

Anyone else experienced this trojan detection in So Blonde?  UK supplied.  Advice welcomed.  Have emailed supplier requesting clean replacement disk.


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I didn't know the demo was German only, sorry

ukpetd, some anti-virus programs report erroneously a virus, you can read more in this thread (http://www.adventuregamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23449)
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