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| 2 NOV 2008 at 2:46am |
AndromusGuild Master


Posts : 5536 Joined: 6 NOV 2002
Status : Offline | The idea of "evoking" or "evocation" comes to mind. But that can be used for anything that brings up memories or feelings in a person, not just scenery in films.
Edit: Just came across the term "Mise en scène", which sounded promising to me. An excerpt from Wikipedia:
"Recently, the term has come to represent a style of conveying the information of a scene primarily through a single shot – often accompanied by camera movement.[citation needed] It is to be contrasted with montage-style filmmaking – multiple angles pieced together through editing. Overall, mise-en-scène is used when the director wishes to give an impression of the characters or situation without vocally articulating it through the framework of spoken dialogue, and typically does not represent a realistic setting. The common example is that of a cluttered, disorganized apartment being used to reflect the disorganization in a character's life in general, or a spartanly decorated apartment to convey a character with an "empty soul", in both cases specifically and intentionally ignoring any practicality in the setting."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mise_en_scene
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| 2 NOV 2008 at 7:10am |
CarolineJA+ Overseer


Posts : 16540 Joined: 28 JAN 2007 Location: AU
Status : Offline | Oh well done Andromus. I do like that one. I've heard it before and the instant I saw it there I thought - that has to be it - and if KamisoriX has any ambition to live to see his next birthday he'll delightedly announce that the search is over and clutch this nice little Frenchy expression to his bosom and never, ever look for another one as long as he lives.
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| 2 NOV 2008 at 9:00am |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Caroline (2 NOV 2008 7:10am) Oh well done Andromus. I do like that one. I've heard it before and the instant I saw it there I thought - that has to be it - and if KamisoriX has any ambition to live to see his next birthday he'll delightedly announce that the search is over and clutch this nice little Frenchy expression to his bosom and never, ever look for another one as long as he lives.
Yes, well, -either that, or he has to come up with the actual word (already), if this is not the one he had been looking for.
Good sleuthing, Andromus.
Terry's efforts have also been valiant, you must admit.
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| 2 NOV 2008 at 9:26am |
KamisoriXSchattenjger


Posts : 1700 Joined: 15 MAY 2004
Status : Online | Originally Posted By Andromus (2 NOV 2008 2:45am) The idea of "evoking" or "evocation" comes to mind. But that can be used for anything that brings up memories or feelings in a person, not just scenery in films.
Edit: Just came across the term "Mise en scène", which sounded promising to me. An excerpt from Wikipedia:
"Recently, the term has come to represent a style of conveying the information of a scene primarily through a single shot [ch8211] often accompanied by camera movement.[citation needed] It is to be contrasted with montage-style filmmaking [ch8211] multiple angles pieced together through editing. Overall, mise-en-scène is used when the director wishes to give an impression of the characters or situation without vocally articulating it through the framework of spoken dialogue, and typically does not represent a realistic setting. The common example is that of a cluttered, disorganized apartment being used to reflect the disorganization in a character's life in general, or a spartanly decorated apartment to convey a character with an "empty soul", in both cases specifically and intentionally ignoring any practicality in the setting."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mise_en_scene
WE GOT A WINNER!!! now lets try to find the latin/greek word for it...i hope I'm right with the latin/greek thingy... :-*
[IMG]http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/971/kamisig94ct.gif[/IMG]&&&&If the Earth would be a Sphere, and not a Disc, I wouldn't be so afraid to fall of the Edge...
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| 2 NOV 2008 at 1:00pm |
CarolineJA+ Overseer


Posts : 16540 Joined: 28 JAN 2007 Location: AU
Status : Offline | You are not right. We simply don't have Greek expressions in English. Latin, certainly but mostly our foreign expressions are French.
Now, I ran it through Babelfish to Italian and it came out as messa in scena....
.... Which is exactly what your place will look like when I've finished with it if you don't simply EMBRACE this lovely expression and go find a nice corner to write it down in so you don't forget it again.
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| 2 NOV 2008 at 4:53pm |
Terry PenrodGrand Inquisitor


Posts : 6693 Joined: 16 OCT 2004 Location: US, Texas
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No wonder we couldn't find it.
Mise en scène is an old theatrical term that's been adapted to films. It means anything that goes into the space of a single continuous scene for any purpose - including scenery, characters, camera movement, sound, composition, lighting, etc.
Cheers, Terry
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| 2 NOV 2008 at 6:02pm |
KamisoriXSchattenjger


Posts : 1700 Joined: 15 MAY 2004
Status : Online | screw it, called my friends and all say that's it...not sure why i though it was latin or so. I can finally rest in peace :-*
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| 2 NOV 2008 at 6:35pm |
Terry PenrodGrand Inquisitor


Posts : 6693 Joined: 16 OCT 2004 Location: US, Texas
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Obviously if your friends say that's the term they use to describe the technique, then "mise-en-scene" is what you were thinking of KamisoriX.
I was simply pointing out that it can refer to a great number of things and more specifically deals with how space, framing, camera movement, etc. is used within a single scene to accomplish whatever the film director wants.
That can of course include setting a mood among other things like panning across a group of faces in close-up to tie their reactions to something together (rather than using individual cuts to each face).
The key here is that it all must occur within a single, continuous scene and probably the most famous ever created for a movie is Orson Welles' opening for Touch of Evil, which lasts an amazing three minutes and thirty seconds of continuous tracking without a single cut.
The length of the scene really isn't relevant though as that term can apply to almost any scene including short ones.
Cheers, Terry
Edit: Sorry Orson.
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| 2 NOV 2008 at 6:43pm |
alkis21Schattenjger


Posts : 2112 Joined: 23 OCT 2002 Location: GR
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Caroline (2 NOV 2008 12:59pm) We simply don't have Greek expressions in English.
:-? Do you want me to make a very long list?
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| 2 NOV 2008 at 7:03pm |
| Deleted User | Well, a shortish list of the most well-known ones would actually be quite interesting, Alkis!
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| 2 NOV 2008 at 7:07pm |
KamisoriXSchattenjger


Posts : 1700 Joined: 15 MAY 2004
Status : Online | Originally Posted By Terry_Penrod (2 NOV 2008 6:34pm) .
Obviously if your friends say that's the term they use to describe the technique, then "mise-en-scene" is what you were thinking of KamisoriX.
I was simply pointing out that it can refer to a great number of things and more specifically deals with how space, framing, camera movement, etc. is used within a single scene to accomplish whatever the film director wants.
That can of course include setting a mood among other things like panning across a group of faces in close-up to tie their reactions to something together (rather than using individual cuts to each face).
The key here is that it all must occur within a single, continuous scene and probably the most famous ever created for a movie is Orsen Welle's opening for Touch of Evil, which lasts an amazing three minutes and thirty seconds of continuous tracking without a single cut.
The length of the scene really isn't relevant though as that term can apply to almost any scene including short ones.
Cheers, Terry
yeppers, maybe my explaination wasn't as good as i thought it was. but in the ned we solved it. this was a lil adventure trip in itself :-*
[IMG]http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/971/kamisig94ct.gif[/IMG]&&&&If the Earth would be a Sphere, and not a Disc, I wouldn't be so afraid to fall of the Edge...
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| 2 NOV 2008 at 9:52pm |
CarolineJA+ Overseer


Posts : 16540 Joined: 28 JAN 2007 Location: AU
Status : Offline | Alkis By all means please give me some Greek everyday expressions. I don't mean phrases or mottos that we say in English that translate into the same thing in Greek. I mean the genuine Greek words. English people litter their everyday speech with French expressions such as tête-à-tête, c'est la vie and various other bons mots and a few Latin ones but I am totally unaware of any Greek expressions.
Not counting food names now, or medical terms, but expressions that are used in their original language like the one KamisoriX has had us searching for.
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| 2 NOV 2008 at 11:57pm |
alkis21Schattenjger


Posts : 2112 Joined: 23 OCT 2002 Location: GR
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Caroline (2 NOV 2008 9:52pm) Alkis By all means please give me some Greek everyday expressions. I don't mean phrases or mottos that we say in English that translate into the same thing in Greek. I mean the genuine Greek words. English people litter their everyday speech with French expressions such as tête-à-tête, c'est la vie and various other bons mots and a few Latin ones but I am totally unaware of any Greek expressions.
Not counting food names now, or medical terms, but expressions that are used in their original language like the one KamisoriX has had us searching for.
OK, if you mean phrases such as c'est la vie which is obviously foreign as opposed to Greek words that are being used 'as English' then I suppose you don't use any.
Otherwise, I could talk to you for eons about the apotheosis of the Greek language, as our vocabulary is gigantic and both hemispheres use it frenetically not only in mathematics, physics, chemistry and other sciences, but also in their everyday language.
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| 3 NOV 2008 at 12:30am |
Terry PenrodGrand Inquisitor


Posts : 6693 Joined: 16 OCT 2004 Location: US, Texas
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Hey Alkis, the waiters at a number of Greek restaurants I've been to here in America have a tradition of dancing, breaking dishes and toasting in celebration by yelling Opah!
Many food critics in this country also use the same term but never in a complete sentence.
What is the straight English translation of that word and do you know how the dish breaking thing began?
Cheers, Terry
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| 3 NOV 2008 at 12:59am |
CarolineJA+ Overseer


Posts : 16540 Joined: 28 JAN 2007 Location: AU
Status : Offline | do you know how the dish breaking thing began?
Because the women said 'we'll cook for the party but you men have to do the washing up'.
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| 3 NOV 2008 at 1:34am |
alkis21Schattenjger


Posts : 2112 Joined: 23 OCT 2002 Location: GR
Status : Offline | "Opah!" is not an actual word, it's an interjection, an exclamation if you like. No idea how and why the breaking dishes custom began but you never seen it anymore nowadays, at least not in big cities. Perhaps Nikos or Aya can help.
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| 3 NOV 2008 at 9:58am |
Mr Innocent.Journeyman


Posts : 1316 Joined: 15 JAN 2008 Location: GR
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Caroline (3 NOV 2008 12:59am)
do you know how the dish breaking thing began?
Because the women said 'we'll cook for the party but you men have to do the washing up'.
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Wouldn't at all surprise me .
I don't know the origins of this custom either, Terry, but it is no longer observed, certainly not in formal occasions. Except perhaps in wedding celebrations, but rarely even then.
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| 7 NOV 2008 at 7:31pm |
KamisoriXSchattenjger


Posts : 1700 Joined: 15 MAY 2004
Status : Online | in the end it's all about love. thanks everyone again...now how do you call it when..... :-*
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| 7 NOV 2008 at 7:45pm |
CarolineJA+ Overseer


Posts : 16540 Joined: 28 JAN 2007 Location: AU
Status : Offline | Out here Greek's still pin money to the bride's wedding dress - do they still do that in Greece?
And you can buy special crockery for smashing. But then, you can buy special anything for weddings nowadays. In my day we didn't have skirts for the chairs like now. The average cost for an Aussie wedding is $35,000...... I've told my sons I'll buy them a ticket to Bali and they can elope.
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