| 12 JUL 2009 at 8:47pm |
| Deleted User | Since I never got around to finishing Rise of the Argonauts and was really enjoying it when I got sidetracked away from it, I've decided to try and finish it, especially since it's also taking up a lot of space on my hard drive.
It's such a pretty-looking action game, and up to now, the story seems quite promising.
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| 12 JUL 2009 at 10:18pm |
Lucien21Guild Master
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Status : Offline | I quite fancied that game, but it was getting iffy reviews.
Currently playing...
Resident Evil 5 (abut 4 levels from the end) and loving every minute.
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| 13 JUL 2009 at 9:59am |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Lucien21 (12 JUL 2009 10:18pm)
I quite fancied that game, but it was getting iffy reviews.
So you care about reviews? : I don't.
The thing with this game is, that they marketed it as an RPG, while it's actually an action adventure similar to the Prince of Persia games, though there's no platforming, only fighting and dialogue - perhaps closer to the Legacy of Kain games in that respect, though not so dark, of course.
If I was a reviewer, and a game that is not an RPG is presented to me as an RPG, I suppose I would also detract points for that.
Anyway, it's really a pity, since IMO, the game really has lot going for it - I'd even say just eye-candy and story alone, are enough to make it a winner for me. So far, anyway - I suppose I'd have to finish the game first, to really give properly qualified opinions)
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| 14 JUL 2009 at 7:29pm |
avatar_58Private Detective
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Status : Online | Other than AGs? Right now I'm playing InFamous, along with games like NHL09's dynasty mode. Mind you in a given week I probably only pop InFamous in once. Not because it's a bad game, mostly because I can't be bothered to sit down for more than a few minutes to play it.
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| 14 JUL 2009 at 9:15pm |
StilerJourneyman
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By TheTraveler (13 JUL 2009 9:59am)
Originally Posted By Lucien21 (12 JUL 2009 10:18pm)
I quite fancied that game, but it was getting iffy reviews.
So you care about reviews? : I don't.
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The thing with this game is, that they marketed it as an RPG, while it's actually an action adventure similar to the Prince of Persia games, though there's no platforming, only fighting and dialogue - perhaps closer to the Legacy of Kain games in that respect, though not so dark, of course.
If I was a reviewer, and a game that is not an RPG is presented to me as an RPG, I suppose I would also detract points for that.
Anyway, it's really a pity, since IMO, the game really has lot going for it - I'd even say just eye-candy and story alone, are enough to make it a winner for me. So far, anyway - I suppose I'd have to finish the game first, to really give properly qualified opinions)
The game is an RPG, at least as much as you could call Mass Effect, etc an RPG.
You build up Jason via the dialogue and choices you make throughout the game allocating your favor points to various Gods/Goddesses to build up certain skills and abilities.
I enjoyed it for the time I played it and still need to finish it as well lol, Got past the Arena and Achilles part but never made it to teh next island.
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| 15 JUL 2009 at 10:07am |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Stiler (14 JUL 2009 9:15pm)
The game is an RPG, at least as much as you could call Mass Effect, etc an RPG.
You build up Jason via the dialogue and choices you make throughout the game allocating your favor points to various Gods/Goddesses to build up certain skills and abilities.
Sorry to disagree with you there, Stiler, but I do. Sure, the game has a single RPG element, but IMO, that does not make it an RPG. Keep in mind though, that on the same note, I view The Witcher as an Action-Adventure with strong RPG elements).
At best, I would call the game an Action-RPG/Action-Adventure hybrid. (See our thread on RPG classification) It definitely has strong adventure elements, in that it is story-driven and there is a lot of dialogue, as well as some quests that are solved in non-combat ways.
The traditional RPG structure, of being able to choose your character's stats/class from the beginning and build them from there, is not present though. In ME, you at least still get to choose your character's class.
If I were to market the game, I would market the game as an Action-Adventure with RPG elements.
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| 17 JUL 2009 at 12:51pm |
avatar_58Private Detective
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Status : Online | Traveller - you don't see the Witcher as an RPG? Why is that? Is it just mostly do to lack of character creation? I mean it has dungeon crawling, item hunting, stat raising/choosing, storyline choices, moral choices and combat based on statistics. I don't know, sounds like a clear cut RPG to me - just with action/timed based combat. An action-rpg.
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| 17 JUL 2009 at 2:04pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By avatar_58 (17 JUL 2009 12:51pm)
Traveller - you don't see the Witcher as an RPG? Why is that? Is it just mostly do to lack of character creation? I mean it has dungeon crawling, item hunting, stat raising/choosing, storyline choices, moral choices and combat based on statistics. I don't know, sounds like a clear cut RPG to me - just with action/timed based combat. An action-rpg.
Well, if you look at the definitions thrashed out by the whole bunch of us in the Action- RPG vs Classical RPG thread, you have to agree that it's not a classic RPG. However, to me it is more than just an Action RPG. I mean, Sacred 2 and Loki and Titan Quest are action RPG's, chock-'n-block full of mindless hack-and-slash. But to me, The Witcher is so much more than just mindless hack-and-slash.. -for me, even the combat is more than just mindlessly mashing a button until you get carpal syndrome.
I find you have to use your discretion in many ways - which decisions to make, where to look and what to do to solve quests, which skills/attributes to level up, which oils and potions and bombs to make, and which of them to use in which situations... - see what I'm getting at? That's why I'm saying that for me, Witcher is almost a hybrid wich although it has action, also employs a lot of strategy and decision-making, which does bring it pretty close to a "true" RPG in spirit. The story aspects also give it an adventure-like 'feel' for me.
If you want, to me it's an Adventure-Action-RPG super plus, which although there is not so much depth in the RPG elements, still manages by its unique mix, to give you a wide array of choices, and (on difficult setting) still forces you to use as much strategy as if it was a full-blown classic RPG.... ...but strictly theoretically it is not one. It's almost more fun than the classics, I'd say... 8-)
Though, btw - I don't think I ever actually said that I don't see The Witcher as an RPG - it was Rise of the Argonauts that I said was so light on the RPG element that most RPG-lovers would probably find it pretty much lacking in that department, even when expecting an action-RPG, if you take into account that most people see games like Morrowind, Gothic and Fallout 3, etc. as "Action-RPG's."
In saying that, we probably need a better distinction amongst RPG than merely Action-RPG/Classic RPG, since there is definitely more depth, imo, between a game like Morrowind or the Gothic series and a game like Sacred 2, then there are similarities. I mean - the only similarity is that combat is via direct player input, instead of turned based and purely stat-driven. I think games like Gothic and Morrowind should be called full-blown RPG's with direct combat, as opposed to "classic" RPG's with turn-based combat. The name Action RPG could be reserved for games like Loki and ROTA, where your RPG elements run pretty thin.
What do you guys think?
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| 17 JUL 2009 at 2:36pm |
JKingSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | Personally I'm not particularly concerned about how a given game is labelled. There are broad genre categories, and including a given game in a particular genre where it doesn't belong is just silly (no one could mistake DOOM for an adventure game, for instance), but beyond that I consider nitpicking about categorisation time better spent actually playing the games in question. That's not to say that I don't enjoy nitpicking about such things simply as an intellectual exercise, but I don't think we need any manner of consensus.
I think we can all agree The Witcher is a roleplaying game of some type; I've never really thought of it as anything more or less.
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| 17 JUL 2009 at 2:40pm |
avatar_58Private Detective
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Status : Online | I don't know, I try not to go too deep into genre explanations - it just leads to differing opinions and confusion. I just say if it has action, it's an action rpg - whether it be mindless or in depth. The RPG definition is a tough one, but for the most part when I say "RPG" you know a little of what to expect right? Yet so hard to put into words!
Anyway I should probably be posting that in the other thread right? Sorry!
Speaking of the Witcher I should really get back into it, never did finish the Enhanced Edition. I played it too soon after the original though, and I had too many other games waiting.
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| 4 AUG 2009 at 1:34am |
IviniaGuild Master
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Status : Offline | I'm currently bouncing back and forth between Assassin's Creed and FarCry 2. Both seem ok, nothing mind blowing though.
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| 13 AUG 2009 at 4:29pm |
ThaumaturgeJourneyman
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Status : Offline | I'm currently dipping at leisure into Shadowcaster (an old first-person fantasy action game), Spelunky (a fairly recent free Roguelike-platformer-thing, and a game that I very much recommend if you like like either Roguelikes or platformers, or have an interest in game design) and occasional forays into Daggerfall.
MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
*ahem*
Sorry.
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| 17 AUG 2009 at 12:17pm |
| Deleted User | Inerocks' anti-Jade Empire talk has just served to whet my appetite for a second playthrough, this time with a different, male character, and following a different "path".
Do you still remember our date for a simultaneous playthrough, JKing? How does about now strike you?
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| 17 AUG 2009 at 12:23pm |
JKingSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | I do. And I'm game: having just finished Quake II yesterday I'm eager for something with a little more colour.
You can't kill someone in a studio.
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| 17 AUG 2009 at 1:24pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By JKing (17 AUG 2009 12:23pm)
I do. And I'm game: having just finished Quake II yesterday I'm eager for something with a little more colour.
Cool. I think a playthrough thread might be fun, yes? See you there soon! We can discuss the characters we each chose in the playthrough thread, ok? 8-)
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| 17 AUG 2009 at 1:29pm |
JKingSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | Sounds good! [smiley=thumbs.gif]
You can't kill someone in a studio.
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| 20 AUG 2009 at 12:00am |
IviniaGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Finished Far Cry 2. Just don't have the interest in getting back into Assassin's Creed. Seemed a bit redundant. :-/
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| 20 AUG 2009 at 4:11am |
ArkadiaPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Hmm I'm currently actively playing The Witcher (PC), Kingdom Hearts (PS2), Pokemon Platinum (DS) and Summon Night: Twin Age (DS). I'm in the middle of KOTOR, FFX, PuzzleQuest: Galactrix and Bioshock, but have them all 'on the backburner' as I get through these other games.
I was 90% done with RE5, had logged 40 hours on Chrono Cross and was halfway through LittleBigPlanet when my PS3 died... I'm just all in a muddle now
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| 20 AUG 2009 at 8:44pm |
FnordSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | Finished Beyond good and evil, moving on to Psychonauts.
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| 21 AUG 2009 at 9:15am |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Ivinia (19 AUG 2009 11:59pm)
Finished Far Cry 2. Just don't have the interest in getting back into Assassin's Creed. Seemed a bit redundant. :-/
Ah. I thought you always finish a game you had started... [smiley=whistle.gif]
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Yes, I'm looking for trouble, I know....
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| 22 AUG 2009 at 1:35am |
IviniaGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Hehehehe, I do... it just might take awhile.
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| 23 AUG 2009 at 4:40pm |
AnnacatIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Offline | In the past, I have just played the adventure genre. Now, I am nervously branching out.
I decided to give Guild Wars a try because I have lots of friends who play (as well as a boyfriend who sometimes does,) so it's less daunting than an MMORPG where I don't know anyone. Also, the fact it doesn't have a monthly fee is appealing.
So this is me taking the plunge.
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| 23 AUG 2009 at 6:42pm |
InesrocksPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Anna_Catherine (23 AUG 2009 4:40pm)
In the past, I have just played the adventure genre. Now, I am nervously branching out.
I decided to give Guild Wars a try because I have lots of friends who play (as well as a boyfriend who sometimes does,) so it's less daunting than an MMORPG where I don't know anyone. Also, the fact it doesn't have a monthly fee is appealing.
So this is me taking the plunge.
lol au revoir! guess we wont see you for a while!
don't listen to me... I'm just remembering my WoW times... :'(
Playing: Skyrim (ongoing)
Last Finished: can't recall, been too long.
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| 23 AUG 2009 at 10:27pm |
MaumPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Well after resisting buying it for months I have finally relented (thanks to a local store sale) and bought the latest installment of Alone in the Dark.
I have to say the great review on this site sold it to me.
Played the full intro so far (plus a little bit of building climbing) and so far I'm having fun, even though I've killed Carnby a million times already! (ah those pesky keyboard controls...)
Currently playing: Dragon Age Origins, Darkness Within 2, The Witcher, Fallout 3
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