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| 19 FEB 2003 at 6:27pm |
dimidimidimiSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Black Dahlia 10
Mystery of the Druids 8
Longest Journey 4
Syberia 3
Gabriel Knight I 7
Gabriel Knight II 4
Gabriel Knight III 6
Indiana Jones and the fate of Atlantis 7
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| 19 FEB 2003 at 7:05pm |
| Deleted User | Syberia - 3 (easiest yet?)
SQ3 - 4
Myst 3 Exile - 4
LSL - 4
SQ1 - 5
KQ2 - 5
Police Quest - 5
Monkey Island - 5
Hitchikers Guide - 5
Leisure Suit Larry 2 - 5.5
Future Wars - 5.5
Atlantis 3 - 6 (stupid puzzles)
Myst - 6
TLJ - 6
Grim Fandango - 7
Darkfall - 7
GK3 - 7
Alice (text adv.) - 8
Riven - 8
ScapeGhost - 9
Schizm - 10 (no, really! Maths aint my thing)
I'm sure there's more, but I can't remember.
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 12:21am |
JPSorcerer Apprentice
Posts : 217
Joined: 24 NOV 2002
Status : Online | This is an impossible question to answer! I think it's pretty much impossible to find a game that deserves either a 1 or a 10
I noticed dimitris gave Black Dahlia a 10 - is he saying that the game is impossible to finish, because if so I certainly dont agree - yes, it is a hard game but most of the puzzles can be completed with a lot of perseverance. A lot of the puzzles are not logical, but then many of the older adventure game puzzles weer not
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 1:01am |
CarlaJourneyman
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Joined: 12 JAN 2003
Status : Online | Interesting thread. I'll try...(SirDave, in my humble opinion, it would have been easier with a difficulty grade from 1 to 5, a "Lickert" scale)
I'll try with the most "popular", first:
GK1: 8 (the rama/vodoo code' translation ???)
GK2: 7
GK3: 8 (Le Serpent Rouge puzzle adds a couple of points)
TLJ: 3.5
Syberia: 2
Police Quest: (average) 6
Darkseed (aver.): 7.5
LSL: (aver.): 5
AMFV (is this one popular? :): 9
Black Dahlia: 8.5
Monkey Island: 6
Grim Fandango: 7
Myst: 6
I'll come with more later...Do I have to use the same scale?
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 1:57am |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Location: US
Status : Offline | Great responses so far- this is exactly what I envisioned. If we can get enough responses, I plan to calculate the average figures and place them at the end of the thread. I think it will be helpful information since newer players will know which are the easier games and also, more experienced players might have a few unplayed games and have a preference for how difficult they want their next played game to be.
I decided on a scale of 1-10 because it does allow a little more flexibility; one game might be just slightly more difficult than another.
Another interesting result is not just the absolute difficult value but the difficulty relationship between games in a group. For instance, Dimi gave slightly different absolute numbers for GK1-3 than Malia, but they both were consistent in that GK2 was easier than GK1 or 3. I find that useful and interesting to know!
Also, I'm glad to see that values of 10 were given to some games (Dimi-Black Dahlia, Monkeybone-Schizm). I'm sure some of us are looking forward to tackling what are considered to be the most difficult games and seeing if we can solve them.
Please keep'em coming...
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 2:24am |
CarlaJourneyman
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By SirDave (20 FEB 2003 1:57am)
If we can get enough responses, I plan to calculate the average figures and place them at the end of the thread.
You have to calculate those averages, SirDave! (or I'll do it, at least for me... :)
It's a great idea, btw.
I think it will be helpful information since newer players will know which are the easier games and also, more experienced players might have a few unplayed games and have a preference for how difficult they want their next played game to be.
You may have a point with the "old" players...I think we should start posting about not_so_popular games, and perhaps we'll bump into a nice surprise. But about the newer players, I couldn't say for sure...I'm not convinced which one is really easy. If you've played many adv, you gain experience, so to speak, and learn some tricks. I believe my opinions can't be considered too objective (even though I try), even when they are similar to Dimi's and Monkeybone's. Instead I guess it can be seen as the result of actually having played (and in some cases, replayed) those games already.
But, anyway, new players will soon become experienced if they play ALL the games we've qualified as easy... :
I decided on a scale of 1-10 because it does allow a little more flexibility; one game might be just slightly more difficult than another.
Sure, I said easier thinking about the statistic part of the thread...But I see you can handle that pretty well.
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 3:11am |
PhiloHippusIntergalactic Janitor
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Joined: 19 FEB 2003
Status : Online | Great idea... there are usually difficulty ratings in most reviews, but having an average based on the experienced views of a whole lot of devoted players instead of a single-sided opinion is indeed worthwhile.
Schizm - 9.3
Riven - 8.5
Sam n' Max Hit the Road - 7.3
Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis - 7
King's Quest VI - 7 (with the full ending)
Lost Files of Sherlock Holmes, The Serrated Scalpel - 7
Monkey Island I - 7
Gabriel Knight - 6.5
The Day of the Tentacle - 6
Grim Fandango - 6
Laura Bow and the Dagger of Amon Ra - 6
Legends of Kyrandia II, The Hand of Fate - 6
Monkey Island II - 6
Broken Sword, Shadow of the Templars - 5.5
Legends of Kyrandia I - 5
Blade Runner - 4
The Longest Journey - 4
Myst - 4
Atlantis III - 3.5
Full Throttle - 3
Myst III, Exile - 3
Syberia - 2
Just to name a few... how extensive do you want this list to be?
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 5:18am |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Joined: 14 SEP 2003
Status : Online | Interesting topic... but the answers are not so clear cut. For instance how to rate the difficulty of games such as GK3 which are easy to finish but quite difficult to finish without missing half of the story? Anyway I'll try to come up with some numbers:
7th Guest: 8
11th Hour: 8
Arthur's Knights 2: 6
Atlantis 2: 7
Azrael's Tear: 8
Beneath a Steel Sky: 6
Black Dahlia: 9
Blade Runner: 1
Broken Sword: 6
Conquests of the Longbow: 5
Cruise for a Corpse: 8
D: 2
The Dame Was Loaded: 8
Day of the Tentacle: 7
Death Gate: 4
The Dig: 6
Discworld 1: 9
Discworld 2: 8
Eco Quest 1: 3
Eco Quest 2: 4
Elk Moon Murder: 4
Freddy Pharkas: 6
Future Wars: 5
Gateway 1: 7
Gateway 2: 7
GK 1: 7
GK 2: 4
GK 3: 6
Grim Fandango: 7
Heart of China: 5
Hollywood Monsters: 8
Hopkins: FBI: 6
IHNMAIMS: 8
Indy III: 7
Indy IV: 6
Kamasutra: 2
KQ1: 3
KQ2: 2
KQ3: 7
KQ4: 5
KQ5: 4
KQ6: 7
KQ7: 4
Kyrandia 1: 6
Kyrandia 2: 6
Kyrandia 3: 8
Largo Winch: 3
Laura Bow 1: 7
Laura Bow 2: 6
Loom: 3
LSL1: 6
LSL2: 7
LSL3: 7
LSL5: 4
LSL6: 5
LSL7: 6
Lure of the Temptress: 7
The Last Express: 7
The Longest Journey: 3
MI1: 6
MI2: 8
MI3: 7
Missing on Lost Island: 6
Mission Crirical: 4
Mystery of the Druids: 7
Noctropolis: 5
Normality: 4
Phantasmagoria: 4
Phantom of the Opera: 5
Post Mortem: 8
PQ1: 4
PQ2: 5
PQ3: 5
PQ4: 4
Prisoner of Ice: 6
Rex Nebular: 7
Return to Zork: 8
Riddle of Master Lu: 8
Runaway: 5
Sacred Ground: 3
Sam & Max: 7
Serrated Scalpel: 6
Shadow of the Comet: 8
Shannara: 4
Simon the Sorcerer: 6
Simon the Sorcerer 2: 7
Spellcasting 101: 8
SQ1: 5
SQ2: 6
SQ3: 5
SQ4: 4
SQ5: 5
Starship Titanic: 9
Syberia: 2
Tex Murphy - Martian Memorandum: 6
Tex Murphy - Mean Streets: 7
Tex Murphy - Overseer: 7
Tex Murphy - Pandora Directive: 8
Tex Murphy - UKM: 7
Titanic: 7
Tony Tough: 8
Zork Nemesis: 8
Waaaay too many games... and I'm sure I forgot some.
I forgot my sig.
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 5:37am |
scoutPrivate Detective
Posts : 736
Joined: 2 NOV 2002
Status : Online | MichalN,
You list alphabetically.
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 5:42am |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
Posts : 7058
Joined: 14 SEP 2003
Status : Online | Originally Posted By scout (20 FEB 2003 5:37am)
MichalN,
You list alphabetically.
I tried to... I have to order the games somehow don't I? Alphabetical order is easiest, completely arbitrary yet fair
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 6:43am |
scoutPrivate Detective
Posts : 736
Joined: 2 NOV 2002
Status : Online | Alphabetical is great. lakerz lists his massive lists alphabetically. I admire the alphabetical.
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 7:33am |
JoGuild Master
Posts : 3313
Joined: 3 NOV 2002
Location: AU, Qld.
Status : Offline | This is a really interesting idea SirDave - I wouldn't dare try to rate games I've played because I feel it's just too subjective. However it's really interesting to see how other people rate them.
Gosh Michal, that's a lot of games to remember, I've given too many away and not seen them again (to my son actually - little so-and-so) used to say he'd copy them and give them back. Ha Ha. and to really brown me off, hasn't even played most of them.
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 12:01pm |
j1Intergalactic Janitor
Posts : 38
Joined: 5 JAN 2003
Status : Online | These are my suggestions:
Monkey Island 2 - 5
Monkey Island 3 - 4
GK1 - 7
GK3 - 9 (Le Serpent Rouge was really tough)
Laura Bow 1 - 5
Laura Bow 2 - 6
King's Quest V - 5
King's Quest VI - 6
Sherlock Holmes and the Case of the Serrated Scalpel - 6
Sherlock Holmes and the Case of the Rose Tattoo - 5
Conquests of the Longbow - 4
Shadow of the Comet - 7
Discworld Noir - 7
DOTT - 8
Sam and Max Hit the Road - 7
The Dig - 8
Full Throttle - 5
Cruise for a Corpse - 8
Still got loads of other, more recent games to play though! I should mention that it's years since I last played some of these adventures, and I might revise the scores if I did so again.
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 4:11pm |
CarlaJourneyman
Posts : 836
Joined: 12 JAN 2003
Status : Online | That was a long, Michal. I'll check it for future games shopping :
Ok, SirDave, here you have some more:
Sam&Max: 5
The Dark Eye: 5.5
Day or the Tentacle: 6
Maniac Mansion: 8
The Neverhood: 9
Laura Bow (II): 6
Heart of China: 5
Normality: 4
And I have to study now... :
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 6:19pm |
scoutPrivate Detective
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Joined: 2 NOV 2002
Status : Online | Sir Dave, here's my totally unscientific, non-inclusive list for you number crunching pleasure....
Riven 9
Myst 7
Myst Exile 5
Obsidian 7
Riddle of Master Lu 7
Black Dahlia 7
Amerzone 5
Celtica 6
Gene Machine 4
Flight of the Amazon Queen 5
Sam and Max Hit the Road 6
Day of the Tentacle 6
Indy Jones Fate of Atlantis 5
Loom 4
Grim Fandango 7
Amber 7
Pandora Directive 7
Overseer 6
Discworld 9
Nightlong 6
Synnergist 6
3 Skulls of the Toltecs 7
Touche 6
The Dark Eye 6
Drowned God 8
Dinotopia 4
GK1 7
GK2 5
GK3 8
MI3 7
MI4 7
TLJ 7
Shivers 8
The Blackstone Chronicles 7
Morpheus 7
Timelapse 7
Beyond Atlantis 7
Beyond Atlantis II 6
The Neverhood 6
Lighthouse 8
Faust 7
Sanitarium 6
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 7:06pm |
Jenny100Guild Master
Posts : 3510
Joined: 12 OCT 2002
Status : Offline | What game would rate a 1?
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 7:12pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Jenny100 (20 FEB 2003 7:06pm)
What game would rate a 1?
Look at my list, you'll find one
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 7:15pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
Posts : 5696
Joined: 23 OCT 2002
Location: AR, Buenos Aires
Status : Offline | Some picks...
1 The Dark Eye
2 Syberia
3 Full Throttle
4 Runaway
5 The Longest Journey
6 Day Of The Tentacle
7 Gabriel Knight
8 Return To Zork
9 Discworld
10 Maupiti Island
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 7:16pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
Posts : 5696
Joined: 23 OCT 2002
Location: AR, Buenos Aires
Status : Offline | And there's another one!
Necasek!! I hadn't read your list - we almost rated all our games the same (except TLJ).
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 11:04pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Rael (20 FEB 2003 7:16pm)
Necasek!! I hadn't read your list - we almost rated all our games the same (except TLJ).
I was kinda wondering about that Cordes - yeah, your rating was almost the same as mine. I consider TLJ very long but not difficult. But that could be just me.
BTW you must have played slightly more than 10 games
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 11:25pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Location: AR, Buenos Aires
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MichalN (20 FEB 2003 11:04pm)
BTW you must have played slightly more than 10 games
Of course I have but I didn't want to shove it on everyone else faces like you did
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 11:30pm |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Location: US
Status : Offline | Hey Rael-
Is your list of 1 to 10 a grading of quality (ie. your favorites) of the game or difficulty? If so, is Dark Eye just a difficulty level of 1? It's a serious question- I haven't played Dark Eye (though I just bought it); I thought it was considered more difficult though somewhat wierd!
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 11:32pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Rael (20 FEB 2003 11:24pm)
Of course I have but I didn't want to shove it on everyone else faces like you did
Weeelll... I just started making a short list... and before I knew it I had 50 games. And then I thought, what the heck, let's see if I can remember hundred. And I could
So why not shove that in people's faces. You know, simply to show that just because I'm the top poster doesn't mean I don't know anything about adventures
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| 20 FEB 2003 at 11:42pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | SirDave, my grading is exclusively difficulty. The Dark Eye (certainly a terrific piece of software) isn't difficult at all. Actually, you can just "click your way" through the story in this game because there aren't puzzles in the straight sense of the word. While this might sound like a big drawback, it really works. In fact, it's so well done, that I think this might be the only game where this kind of gameplay is really effective.
And yes, it's weird - very.
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